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Self-Baptism
« on: August 21, 2017, 01:02:27 PM »
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    • It is Church teaching that anyone (whether baptized, unbaptized, Christian, pagan, atheist, etc.) can validly baptize, so long as they proper words are used and the baptizer has the intention to do what the Church does.

    Given this, is it possible to baptize oneself?
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #1 on: August 21, 2017, 01:05:08 PM »
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    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #2 on: August 21, 2017, 01:10:52 PM »
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #3 on: August 21, 2017, 01:20:49 PM »
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    • Denzinger 413, I believe.

    ETA: Yes, Denz. 413, from the Decretals of Gregory, letter from Bishop of Metz.  Ibid., for BoD, incidentally.
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #4 on: August 21, 2017, 03:25:35 PM »
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    • No.  It's the same as a priest cannot absolve himself.
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #5 on: August 21, 2017, 03:40:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on August 21, 2017, 03:38:10 PM
    Not surprising that water is omitted thus far here as well.
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #6 on: August 21, 2017, 11:56:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on August 21, 2017, 01:02:27 PM
    It is Church teaching that anyone (whether baptized, unbaptized, Christian, pagan, atheist, etc.) can validly baptize, so long as they proper words are used and the baptizer has the intention to do what the Church does.

    Given this, is it possible to baptize oneself?
    It appears that that would be baptism of desire. 
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #7 on: August 22, 2017, 12:32:31 AM »
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    • May wanna brush up on "distinctions without differences" just in case.

    Nice when you decide not to say something, and someone else says it anyway.

    Ty, really.
    Quote from: poche on August 21, 2017, 11:56:02 PM
    It appears that that would be baptism of desire.
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #8 on: August 22, 2017, 03:03:22 AM »
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    Quote from: Anonymous on August 22, 2017, 02:48:18 AM
    We do not self administer teh sacraments to ourselves. We receive the sacraments. In the case of baptism someone needs to pour the water and say the words with the intentionof doing what the Church intends. 
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #9 on: August 22, 2017, 03:04:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 22, 2017, 03:03:22 AM
    Thanks. Get a name if you wish to continue. No free chicken.
    It was me but I forgot to hit the 'not anonymous' button. 
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #10 on: August 22, 2017, 04:32:42 AM »
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    • I ordained myself yesterday. Today I will consecrate myself a bishop.
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #11 on: August 22, 2017, 09:44:48 AM »
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    • I was a bit irritated, back in the pre-conversion times, to have briefly "in votoed" myself into a wondrous cassock of a kind, of a material so fine, that only the most elect may see it.

    So I figured, "In for a penny; there's nothing else for it."

    Ya'll can skip the honorifics… gets a tad tedious and, after all, "WE are Church" and whatnot.

    It's the collec… I mean the community, that does everything anyways.

    WORKERS! Oops,  I mean ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS UNITE! Bread line... DINGIT!
    Quote from: Last Tradhican on August 22, 2017, 04:32:42 AM
    I ordained myself yesterday. Today I will consecrate myself a bishop.
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #12 on: August 22, 2017, 11:34:33 PM »
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    • From the Code of Canon Law;

     Can.  849 Baptism, the gateway to the sacraments and necessary for salvation by actual reception or at least by desire, is validly conferred only by a washing of true water with the proper form of words. Through baptism men and women are freed from sin, are reborn as children of God, and, configured to Christ by an indelible character, are incorporated into the Church.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P2U.HTM
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #13 on: August 24, 2017, 10:00:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on August 22, 2017, 02:48:18 AM
    We do not self administer teh sacraments to ourselves. We receive the sacraments. In the case of baptism someone needs to pour the water and say the words with the intentionof doing what the Church intends.  
    Not entirely true.  A priest may say Mass by himself, and give himself the Eucharist.
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    Re: Self-Baptism
    « Reply #14 on: August 24, 2017, 10:23:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on August 24, 2017, 10:00:11 AM
    Not entirely true.  A priest may say Mass by himself, and give himself the Eucharist.
    May? If he doesn't receive Communion, there is no Mass.
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