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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Why don't trads evangelize and convert?
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2020, 08:18:28 AM »
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    And in traditional Catholic circles, it's the R&R folks who really get in the way to converting people to the Catholic faith.

    You people who elevate the petty debate between R&R and Sedeism to a dogmatic issue will be held accountable on Judgement Day for dividing Traditionalism.  There's no such thing as R&R Trad vs Sede Trad.  We're all Catholic (or try to be).  And you wonder why God doesn't send us a true, catholic pope?  The first thing many of you would do is to tell the pope to excommunicate this or that group because you don't like them.  Where's the charity for your neighbor?  Where's the humility to think you might be wrong?  You've reduced Traditional Catholicism to another form of Protestantism.  Instead of worshiping the Bible, you worship Traditional "doctrine" (i.e. "being right").  


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    Re: Why don't trads evangelize and convert?
    « Reply #16 on: November 16, 2020, 07:45:12 PM »
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  • Great. Well in my experience, it's sedevacantism that gets in the way of converting people to the Catholic Faith. Especially the harsh, toxic trad "bitterness" that many (not all) sedes exude. You know, the Dimond Brothers fans.
    The Dimond Brothers canard is so tiring.  The pitifully small number of Dimond fans among sedevacantists pale in comparison to the numbers of R&R folk touting a Freemasonic, Communist, sodomy defending pope who just happens to have no authority to bind anyone's conscience--pretty much the same view of the papacy as your average Protestant--since they can merely sift his teachings and discard anything they find "objectionable"...but at least they have a pope!


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    Re: Why don't trads evangelize and convert?
    « Reply #17 on: November 16, 2020, 07:45:46 PM »
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  • The Dimond Brothers canard is so tiring.  The pitifully small number of Dimond fans among sedevacantists pale in comparison to the numbers of R&R folk touting a Freemasonic, Communist, sodomy defending pope who just happens to have no authority to bind anyone's conscience--pretty much the same view of the papacy as your average Protestant--since they can merely sift his teachings and discard anything they find "objectionable"...but at least they have a pope!
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    Re: Why don't trads evangelize and convert?
    « Reply #18 on: November 17, 2020, 06:23:19 AM »
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  • The Dimond Brothers canard is so tiring.  The pitifully small number of Dimond fans among sedevacantists pale in comparison to the numbers of R&R folk touting a Freemasonic, Communist, sodomy defending pope who just happens to have no authority to bind anyone's conscience--pretty much the same view of the papacy as your average Protestant--since they can merely sift his teachings and discard anything they find "objectionable"...but at least they have a pope!
    We don't "tout" the current Modernist Pope. We simply do what Catholics have always done - accept that there is a head of the Catholic Church. We've had Modernist Popes at the helm for awhile now. The Catholic Church is occupied by a Modernist sect. 
    Sedeism, on the other hand, offers a Church without a current pope. Of course this will be appealing to prots who never could stand the idea of a Pope. 

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    Re: Why don't trads evangelize and convert?
    « Reply #19 on: November 17, 2020, 06:30:24 AM »
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  • We don't "tout" the current Modernist Pope. We simply do what Catholics have always done - accept that there is a head of the Catholic Church. We've had Modernist Popes at the helm for awhile now. The Catholic Church is occupied by a Modernist sect.
    Sedeism, on the other hand, offers a Church without a current pope. Of course this will be appealing to prots who never could stand the idea of a Pope.
    This is called cognitive dissonance.  

    What Catholics have always done is accept the teachings of the pope as their rule of faith.  Catholics have never in history sifted every act of the pope to determine if it happens to agree with their own concept of Catholicism.


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    Re: Why don't trads evangelize and convert?
    « Reply #20 on: November 17, 2020, 06:39:15 AM »
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  • The Dimond Brothers canard is so tiring.  The pitifully small number of Dimond fans among sedevacantists pale in comparison to the numbers of R&R folk touting a Freemasonic, Communist, sodomy defending pope who just happens to have no authority to bind anyone's conscience--pretty much the same view of the papacy as your average Protestant--since they can merely sift his teachings and discard anything they find "objectionable"...but at least they have a pope!
    This video is an embarrassment to MhFM as Frederick (a.k.a. Bro Michael) Dimond, at the time when he was a non-sedevacantist, fully supports Father Wathen’s various Catholic positions.

    Whether one is sede or not, this is a very informative, educational video that touches on many things Catholic.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Why don't trads evangelize and convert?
    « Reply #21 on: November 20, 2020, 10:55:08 PM »
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  • This video is an embarrassment to MhFM as Frederick (a.k.a. Bro Michael) Dimond, at the time when he was a non-sedevacantist, fully supports Father Wathen’s various Catholic positions.

    Whether one is sede or not, this is a very informative, educational video that touches on many things Catholic.
    Not to defend the Dimonds but we all have changed our beliefs (unless you are a cradle trad). If I spoke to a camera in the 1990s about my Catholic faith I would have been praising JPII. Fast forward ten years I would have been praising the SSPX. Now I'm part of the Resistance. We all have access to information that is new to us and we adjust accordingly. I'm not a sede but what would be smart for the Dimonds to do is point by point refutes their earlier claims. They won't do that of course because they don't want to appear to have ever been wrong.