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Sedevacantists and indefectability
« on: July 25, 2017, 02:58:43 PM »
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  • Are all sedevacantists, in practice, denying the indefectability of the Church, which is dogma?  Was this addressed in the recent book on sedevacantism published by the SSPX seminary?


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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #1 on: July 25, 2017, 03:23:48 PM »
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  • Seems to me the "others" are those who deny indefectibility since they are the ones who insist their pope is wrong and is teaching error.  


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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #2 on: July 25, 2017, 03:26:35 PM »
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  • Others?

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #3 on: July 25, 2017, 03:28:37 PM »
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  • Seems to me the "others" are those who deny indefectibility since they are the ones who insist their pope is wrong and is teaching error.
    You are terribly wrong.

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #4 on: July 25, 2017, 03:31:50 PM »
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  • Other than sedevacantist!



    To claim sedevacantist is to believe the Catholic church has neither flaw or defect in its teachings, perfect if you will.  Having the ability of lasting.



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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #5 on: July 25, 2017, 03:33:50 PM »
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  • You are terribly wrong.
    Why then do we bother you so much if that is the case.  Do you also spend this much energy to prove there is no Santa Clause?   

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #6 on: July 25, 2017, 03:41:48 PM »
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  • Why then do we bother you so much if that is the case.  Do you also spend this much energy to prove there is no Santa Clause?  
    So you're saying santa is indefectible too now?

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #7 on: July 25, 2017, 03:46:12 PM »
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  • Other than sedevacantist!



    To claim sedevacantist is to believe the Catholic church has neither flaw or defect in its teachings, perfect if you will.  Having the ability of lasting.
      :laugh1:


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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #8 on: July 25, 2017, 04:11:43 PM »
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  • So you're saying santa is indefectible too now?
    :jester:

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #9 on: July 25, 2017, 04:37:08 PM »
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  • Are all sedevacantists, in practice, denying the indefectability of the Church, which is dogma?  Was this addressed in the recent book on sedevacantism published by the SSPX semina
    1. If we knew what "all sedevacantists" were doing, practically or otherwise, wouldn't that mean that we're God?
    Suggest a better formed, less lukewarm,  and a bit more committed and bold question like "Does SVism necessitate denial of Ecclesial indefectability?" (How else could one know what "all of (x)" were doing save on principle, and not pra ctice? That wouldnt require omniscience, just intelligence. I know that all Catholics on Earth, of reason BELIEVE in the Trinity and the Incarnation no matter because otherwise they aren't. Catholic. "Practically" is a rabbit trail. See?)
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #10 on: July 25, 2017, 04:54:45 PM »
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  • This seems a rather useless idea since the present pope has been well docuмented as teaching and fostering error and worse.
    The Catholic Church is indefectible, and free from error,  the conciliar  church is not.
    Our Point!   from one sedevacantist to the like-minded.  


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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #11 on: July 25, 2017, 04:58:31 PM »
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  • So you're saying santa is indefectible too now?

    What energy? All I read thus far is "You are terribly wrong." , which is "terribly" vague and "practically" useless. Is s/he the OP?
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #12 on: July 25, 2017, 05:07:18 PM »
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  • Our Point!   from one sedevacantist to the like-minded. 
    1. "…present pope…" = Sedevacantist ? (@@) Cough syrup slurpy brain freeze! Pork chop sandwiches! Locusts and toads! WTFlip?
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #13 on: July 25, 2017, 05:58:28 PM »
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  • 1. "…present pope…" = Sedevacantist ? (@@) Cough syrup slurpy brain freeze! Pork chop sandwiches! Locusts and toads! WTFlip?
    :facepalm: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #14 on: July 25, 2017, 06:46:26 PM »
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  • No, in practice, the practice of people, is not to be dismissed.  We know that some people can say one thing, and do the exact opposite.  i assert that sedevacantists, after 60 years, live in an ecclesiology milieux that has defected, with no visible impetus to fix that ecclesiological mileux.  Not only has sedevacantism defected, it protests it proudly every day, and it's name, it's label, means defection, and so proudly, without any solution from the Bishops, who hold the authority of sedevacantism within them, but only if they were in union with the Pope, and thereby the SVs hold a feigned authority.  In regards to the errors of Francis, Benedict, John Paul II, I believe, very firmly, that these errors are most prone to de traction by those who have not a healthy appreciation of Scholastic Philosophy, and understanding of Pastoral Theology.  If you understand those two things, and what a mental reservation is, you could know that a Pope can say pretty much anything he wants, and do what he wants.  A mental reservation within the paradigms of scholastic principles of philosophy, is a deadly weapon.  And at the top of Religion on Earth, a royal, a sacred royal tolerance needs to be had, because otherwise the world would be at bitter war, with no peace, and in the eyes of the Church, we have in the Pastoral, Ecuмenical council of Vatican II, the fact the Jєωs worship the one true God, a truth that is said expressed, truthfully, in the council.  The true Jєω does worship the one true God, and they know his name, Jehova, and the Jєωs will always believe in God, the true God, until they have their Messiah when he comes again, to judge the living and the dead, at the second coming.  They will finally see him come to establish his kingdom.  Then we will have the conversion of the Jєωs, the final sign of the end times not yet fulfilled.