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Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2017, 09:48:09 AM »
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  • Welcome to the Anonymous Forum, the most mis-used sub-forum on CathInfo


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    Seemingly useless to boot. An exercise in vain hope as the ACTUAL "QUESTION" remains. Waste of time. TA.
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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #31 on: July 26, 2017, 10:09:56 AM »
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  • Lesson re/learned. No more "anonymous" or shady "do you still murder your dates?" ……"questions"
    Not a total waste, therefore ty ALCON. Toodles
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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #32 on: July 26, 2017, 10:33:47 AM »
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  • Lesson re/learned. No more "anonymous" or shady "do you still murder your dates?" ……"questions"
    Not a total waste, therefore ty ALCON. Toodles
    Always so clear and understandable. :laugh2:

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #33 on: July 26, 2017, 02:56:20 PM »
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  • Vatican II is a legitimate council of the Church called by the Pope in union with all the Bishops, teaching dogmatically, pastorally, and universally from the seat.  We are bound by it's decrees.  Troll is an easy way to dismiss someone posting pro Vatican II.  This is healthy conversation, and there should be this voice on a Catholic forum.

    Can you prove that Vll teaches dogmatically? Because I'm pretty sure that Pope John XXlll said that it was not intended as such. 

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #34 on: July 26, 2017, 04:35:37 PM »
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  • Can you prove that Vll teaches dogmatically? Because I'm pretty sure that Pope John XXlll said that it was not intended as such.
    There is doctrinal subject matter promulgated solemnly.  It doesn't matter if Pope Saint John XXIII intended yes or no.  It was ran and closed as a Solemn Ecuмenical Council, called for by a Pope, ran by well trained and highly scholastic Council Fathers (Bishops), who were the living magisterium of the Church.  It is not an abberation, and there is no going back, no need to go back.


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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #35 on: July 26, 2017, 04:41:42 PM »
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  • There is doctrinal subject matter promulgated solemnly.  It doesn't matter if Pope Saint John XXIII intended yes or no.  It was ran and closed as a Solemn Ecuмenical Council, called for by a Pope, ran by well trained and highly scholastic Council Fathers (Bishops), who were the living magisterium of the Church.  It is not an abberation, and there is no going back, no need to go back.

    What doctrines, exactly, were supposedly promulgated solemnly? 

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #36 on: July 26, 2017, 04:45:18 PM »
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  • Ecclesiological.

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #37 on: July 26, 2017, 04:54:10 PM »
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  • Ecclesiological.
    You said that doctrinal matter was promulgated solemnly at Vll. Which SPECIFIC doctrines fall under this category?
    If you cannot answer, then obviously you are wrong about doctrinal matter being promulgated solemnly. 


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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #38 on: July 26, 2017, 04:57:56 PM »
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  • What doctrines, exactly, were supposedly promulgated solemnly?
    It's the wrong question.  The council is replete with doctrine.  A council becomes doctrinal.  The texts become things people can not deny.  If you are asking what are the theses of Vatican II, the closest we have is the Catechism of the Catholic Church.  Every sentence of the counsel, no one can question them.  We are bound.

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #39 on: July 26, 2017, 04:59:34 PM »
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  • It's the wrong question.  The council is replete with doctrine.  A council becomes doctrinal.  The texts become things people can not deny.  If you are asking what are the theses of Vatican II, the closest we have is the Catechism of the Catholic Church.  Every sentence of the counsel, no one can question them.  We are bound.
    It is a question that you don't want to answer. 

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #40 on: July 26, 2017, 04:59:50 PM »
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  • You said that doctrinal matter was promulgated solemnly at Vll. Which SPECIFIC doctrines fall under this category?
    If you cannot answer, then obviously you are wrong about doctrinal matter being promulgated solemnly.
    It's like I hear you asking, give me Ludwig Ott Vatican II.  It is a very difficult task because the council is so big, so wide, fitting for the final council prior to the second coming.


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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #41 on: July 26, 2017, 05:06:10 PM »
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  • It's like I hear you asking, give me Ludwig Ott Vatican II.  It is a very difficult task because the council is so big, so wide, fitting for the final council prior to the second coming.

    Your the one who claimed that doctrinal matter was promulgated solemnly. If you cannot defend your statement, that's fine. Obviously there was no doctrinal matter promulgated solemnly. The Vll Council was a farce. It was taken over by progressives and they were able to get much of their agenda pushed through. 

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #42 on: July 26, 2017, 05:11:58 PM »
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  • Your the one who claimed that doctrinal matter was promulgated solemnly. If you cannot defend your statement, that's fine. Obviously there was no doctrinal matter promulgated solemnly. The Vll Council was a farce. It was taken over by progressives and they were able to get much of their agenda pushed through.
    I answered.  I said every sentence.  It's all doctrine now, and it's fine.  There is no contradiction with previous doctrine anywhere in the council.  You can trust cheap fake Benedictine dvds, or the living magisterium.

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #43 on: July 26, 2017, 05:15:08 PM »
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  • I answered.  I said every sentence.  It's all doctrine now, and it's fine.  There is no contradiction with previous doctrine anywhere in the council.  You can trust cheap fake Benedictine dvds, or the living magisterium.
    Oh....so ALL of the docuмents in the Vll Council, according to you, is doctrine that is solemnly promulgated. A good modernist would not want to question that. I get it. 

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    Re: Sedevacantists and indefectability
    « Reply #44 on: July 26, 2017, 05:17:16 PM »
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  • I answered.  I said every sentence.  It's all doctrine now, and it's fine.  There is no contradiction with previous doctrine anywhere in the council.  You can trust cheap fake Benedictine dvds, or the living magisterium.
    I trust the teachings of the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who stood up for the Catholic Faith.
    I wouldn't know about cheap fake Benedictine dvd's.