They will always be better off than the embarrassments that "sedevacantists" sectarians have caused for the Church.

AMEN to that!

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The SSPX isn't independent?

The sedes have nothing to offer but attacks on the SSPX and the NO: they have developed no consistent, systematic theological defense using the scholastic method of their opinions that does not entail an attack on the "others."

Unsound theology leads to imbecility, I guess.

And we all know that you would never sink so low as to attack Sedevacantists by claiming they have nothing to offer other than an attack and that because they are unsound they are imbeciles?  

Glad we cleared that up lest someone accuse you of the same , Eh?

God is the one grinding the axe, and it shall soon fall upon SW Ohio..

Why who would have thought we have a modern day seer in our midst sans the cursory miracle to lend credibility.  Suffice to say that GOD doesnt need you to speak for him even though your pride seems to be telling you otherwise.......

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The sedes have nothing to offer but attacks on the SSPX and the NO: they have developed no consistent, systematic theological defense using the scholastic method of their opinions that does not entail an attack on the "others."

Unsound theology leads to imbecility, I guess.

And we all know that you would never sink so low as to attack Sedevacantists by claiming they have nothing to offer other than an attack and that because they are unsound they are imbeciles?  

Glad we cleared that up lest someone accuse you of the same , Eh?

<<<Nice! Thanks for proving my point! >>>>

You proved your point long before I commented - now lets see - who used hyperbole and who used insulting condescending language again?  As I thought.......


<<<Again, only ad hominems, pathetic parlour games, contrived rhetoric and cult propoganda, adorned with the facade of rational discourse, is all that the sede have to offer it seems. >>>>

Well the Sede could resort to condescending rhetoric - untenable diatribe - uncharitable calumny - character assassination - and contrived pompass argumentation such as you are employing now - but then - we do answer to a higher source so instead I believe I'll simply forgive you and turn you my other cheek unles of course you are cold then you can take my coat as well.............

<<There are exceptions, though: but these are too few and far between to give the sede movement any lasting redeeming value. >>>

How very judgemental of you to say so - forgive him Father for he DEFINITELY Knows not what he does........

<<<Keep going, gentle lemmings, keep going...>>>

If by going you mean in the opposite direction of your hatefilled rhetoris - rest assured we are indeed.

The SSPX will be alright no matter what happens.

They will always be better off than the embarrassments that "sedevacantists" sectarians have caused for the Church.

Is this from the interview Fellay gave to CNS? Sounds very much like it. The SSPX will be alright no matter what happens ( as long as it's under Schmidberger, Fellay, Krah,Pfluger, Nely, Celier, Rostand, Wailliez, Couture, Simoulin, and of course, last but not least, Ratzinger)

They have already destroyed Ramolla and the Seminary, yet they still keep on attacking them. Why is that?

The Anna Marie Hahn of Traddieland shows her true colors in an email sent to Fr. Bitzer.

She is a complete sociopath, who doesn't care about the fact that the Johns will be destroyed by her baseless accusations and lies (which Gebel and the others of the cabal have been spreading).

The whining about Bernie's supposed wrongs are risible: the man is utterly incompetent. He didn't file the paper work on time for SAG, thereby costing the corporation of SAG tens of thousands of dollars. It took months for him to update the SAG website and the Seminary's website. Any Board of Trustees with half a brain would never employ someone of such incompetence.

Well, here is the poison that gαye has been spreading for months now.

Thanks Bernie for being such a big mouth!

>> JMJ
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>> April 17, 2012
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>> Our Lady of The Pillar Chapel
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>> 4049 South 5th Street
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>> Louisville, KY 40214
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>> Dear Fr. Gavin Bitzer
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>> My name is Janet gαye and I am a former parishioner and Board member of St. Albert the Great Church in Fairfield, Ohio.
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>> Father, it saddens me to have to write this letter to you, and under these scandalous conditions, but my Catholic conscience, and civic duty alike compel me to inform and and warn of the potential danger for you and your parish by Fr. Markus Ramolla, former pastor of our church, and his "seminarians". Since his ordination in 2008, he has single-handedly disrupted the entire traditional Catholic World, so that no priest or bishop will go near him. He is determined to set up a seminary from the stolen candidates from Bishop Pivaranus's seminary, apparently to mock Bishop Donald Sanborn.
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>> Please note Father, that he first befriended these men, then used them to his advantage and finally, like an asp, he bit them and cried that he was the victim of betrayal, to any person who would listen to his vicious lies and gossip.
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>> He has contrived and lied to any and all who will listen to him to achieve his insidious goals. His latest victim, Bishop Slupski, who has shown some imprudence and lack of judgment in the past, and now is very sickly, seems to listen to the last person he spoke to, and has unfortunately been led by the nose to trust Fr. Ramolla by the likes of Dr. Tom Droleskey,(a man who survives on creating chaos). The reason has been admitted by both Droleskey and Ramolla, as his desperate striving to find a bishop willing to consecrate him a bishop. The last bishop to refuse him the mitre was Bishop Paul Petko, who, on the very day after this refusal was accused of the most terrible things by one of Ramolla's seminarians, and dismissed by Ramolla from teaching in his seminary. The coaching text was scripted by Dr Droleskey and inforced by Fr. Ramolla upon his stolen followers from Bishop Pivaranus seminary. They were coerced, to bear false witness against Bishop Petko, so as to clear the way for Bp. Ramolla and secure their respective future orders for the priesthood. (This was witnessed by me and another witness via SKYPE). The difference with Bp Petko was he said not guilty to any and all charges.
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>> A board meeting was called in Nov. 2011 by Jim Gebel to address Fr. Ramolla's blatant lies concerning Fr. Hall's non payment of his board voted salary, and his Visa application which should have been completed, and submitted in June 2011 by Fr. Ramolla.
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>> Instead Fr. Ramolla usurped the meeting by having witnesses in the wings to bear false witness against Bp. Petko who was not even present to defend himself. He was silenced by Dr. Droleskey and Fr. Ramolla back in England, and threatened with legal action IF he came onto the premises of St. Albert the Great to defend himself against these bogus charges. Father Ramolla was warned by Craig Toth, Father Hall and Janet gαye not to execute the letter that Dr Droleskey wrote to Bishop Petko for Fr Ramolla accusing him with out recourse of all the vile contrived accusations that were manufactured by both, Fr. Ramolla and Dr. Droleskey, so as to secure Fr. Ramolla's road for the Miter would not be met by any obstacles. Father Ramolla made an agreement with Mr. Toth that they would both meet with Bishop Petko when he came back to the States to address the allegations that Florent accused him of.
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>> Instead Fr. Ramolla broke his promise to Mr. Toth and worked vigorously with Dr. Droleskey to execute a plan that would insure getting rid of Bishop Petko and leaving Fr. Ramolla left to pick up the Miter and Staff without any problems.
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>> It was I who brought the meeting to an end without the Kangaroo Court tactics that Fr. Ramolla tried to implement. I was able to convince two of the other board members, (through the grace of God) that this was not Catholic Virtue or American Justice, either for a Citizen, or most of all, a Prince of the Church.
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>> The rest is history in the making and the reason for this letter to any priest or parish that ventures to take this evil man into their hearts. Beware! He is like a thief in the night and will steal what is yours, then destroy what he cannot have.
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>> Fr. Ramolla is in blatant violation of the sins against the 10th, 9th, 7th 8th 6th and most of all the First Commandments of God. This man will stop at nothing.
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>> Allow me to explain further;
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>> Father Ramolla had a scandalous affair with a married woman that almost destroyed her marriage. He used the confessional as his own method to lure and then exploit his victims whether male or female into his mind game, so he could exercise his own sordid and perverted sense of power to gain knowledge over over his potential victims, to claim their Free Will in the name of God. He is an habitual LIAR.
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>> Aside from his games in the confessional, he stole from me personally over $11,500. 00, by not paying as agreed and ordered by the Board of St. Albert's the required salary to Fr. Bernard Hall for SAG to fulfill its legal and binding commitment to the owner, for the Purchase of the Property in Fairfield, Ohio. He deliberately executed a breach of the signed contract to honor this commitment with the owner and the parishioners who signed and donated $30,000.00, for the express purpose of purchasing said premises.
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>> While I know this is hard for anyone of good Catholic will to believe, the facts speak for themselves. He is now on his Fourth Board of Trustees, going into his FIFTH, with six bishops (Sanborn, Dolan, McKenna, Neville, Pivarunas and Petko), and at least ten priests wanting absolutely no part of him and his New Religion. He has personally driven St. Albert's to the brink of destruction, at which point he is now resigning, and telling his usual stories of "betrayal" to all those around him.
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>> He has attached himself to yet another elderly victim who believes his lies and wants to donate her life savings to his bogus seminary of misfit boys who suffer from an identity crisis, not knowing their God given sɛҳuąƖ genders.
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>> This evil man is a Rasputin. He will prostitute our Faith, God, Religion and Country, by stealing from and lying to the faithful parishioners of our great nation.
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>> I personally do no want to see another casuality of this viper, who befriends and then robs to attain his goals, which are certainly not to serve GOD.
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>> I will do all it takes including informing the Department of Homeland Security, the Immigration Department, the IRS, and any other government agency of this man's whereabouts, and then warning the innocent, like you, of his arrival or intentions to arrive anywhere in this MY Beloved Country, that does not need to be raped by yet another alien of GREED. If I must, I will place a citizen's arrest upon his head for misappropriation of funds, if he does not go back to Germany of his own volition.
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>> While I admit this must sound cruel to you, think of it this way, the cruelty would be in allowing another good innocent soul to be destroyed by this wicked man. There are several YouTube videos which parody his actions and behavior as those of Adolf Hitler, and indeed the psychological makeup is in many ways similar. Every parish he has gone into he has destroyed. Every parishioner he has ruined, except the ones he is in the process of exploiting for his own means. As I said it is my Catholic Duty to warn of the devil as he approaches yet another victim.
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>> May God Bless you, and guide you away from this evil man and his entourage of misfits.
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>> Your Friend in Christ,
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>> Janet M. gαye

This woman (?) is clearly a psychopath. Even if Ramolla returns to Europe, she will still attempt to destroy him.

This also shows how quickly he can turn against anyone that stands in her way and that of her bovine surrogate son, Bernie. Having called Bp. Pivarunas and other clergy "fαɢɢօts" and other disgusting names, she now appeals to them as supposed witnesses against Ramolla. Of course Jenkins is in the mix too: Hall already "quoted" him at the libelous Athanasius Seminary blog, and parishioners of Immaculate Conception Church, the Johns, will be used for her campaign. She doesn't care about the fact that their lives will be entirely ruined by this.

Oh well, so much for the circus that is sedevacantist Ohio...

While I admit this must sound cruel to you, think of it this way, the cruelty would be in allowing another good innocent soul to be destroyed by this wicked man. There are several YouTube videos which parody his actions and behavior as those of Adolf Hitler, and indeed the psychological makeup is in many ways similar. Every parish he has gone into he has destroyed.

This seems to prove what Hobbles wrote:

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It is a send up of just about everybody and is really funny. It even has “Fr. Ramolla” dissing Dr. Droleskey and Craig Toth! I am still laughing as I write this and will probably watch it a few more times to “get” everything in it (and there is a lot!).

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I don't think it's funny. Not funny at all.

I can't see how any Catholic can "make fun" of this horrible situation.

Though it is interesting that the persona of this "eddiehaskell999" fits the description of the "the educated and affluent Traddie minority" to whom Toth desperately tries to appeal:

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About this user
Honest and forthright. I always say just what I think.

Age
64

Hometown
Mayfield, Kansas

Country
United States

Occupation
Aspiring politician, Investment consultant

Companies
Franklin Savings, Enron, Madoff Partners, BCCI, WorldCom

Schools
Grant Avenue, St. Paul's, Harvard, Oxford (Rhodes), Sorbonne

It is also interesting that the video seems to make a salient allusion to a comment made on Pristina's post, "Looking Mortified upon a Monkey":

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Yeah, like Gebel & gαye glossed over Petko's heavy petting of the Seminarians and attempted to oust Father Ramolla, and like how Toth here is making slanderous insinuations against Bishop Carmona.

And then some (random?) idiot comes up with this:

http://thetruthaboutbishoppaulpetko.blogspot.com/

It is interesting that this video has been made and published precisely when the attacks on Father Ramolla and the Seminarians have escalated.

Has McKenzie been reading Pristina? Or has this been Toth (and/or Gebel) all along, as some reports seem to suggest?

I think Janet and Bernie have been involved too, especially when considering their new project:

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