A certain individual mentioned in the Navajo County police report attachment for one.

Guest - I don't think that Talavera is on 'Craig's list'.  He was simply asking a question.  This thing is still up in the air.  'Is he; isn't he?'  'Will he; won't he?'
This thing indeed has been going on & on but now that we know this much, how will it end?  It's been hard trying to figure out who's the bad guy & who's the good guy & who (if any) will be vindicated when all is said & done.

For myself at least - I've heard the story, & want to know the ending.  How's that wrong?

 


 SSPV have MANY police reports connected to them check it out and go down deep into the rabbit hole.How come you dont check out all of the police reports related to SSPV Telavara????
They have everything from priests getting their van joyridden to murder-ѕυιcιdєs, to constant lawsuits between their parishoners, divorces you name it.
Talavers question is not an innocent one, because he gave the name of a cop to arouse suspicion and point the figer away from the ones craig's list support.
It was not a simple question and you know it thorn

I have never said the SSPV did not have problems nor have I shown support for them. The name of officer and police department were provided as a courtesy (something severely lacking in this thread) so those who would not believe a third party post of a report may check for themselves.

It is now a known fact that Gebel is behind VoV Watch, Lay Pulpit, and the new blog attacking St. Athanasius Seminary.

This is not a fact, known or unknown.  Perhaps you disagree?  C'est la vie.

The truth is nobody cares about justice or truth: no one seems to give a damn about the Seminarians and their futures, which have been ruined.

I'll agree with the first part; no one wants to believe Traddieland is as spiritually ill as it is or that some of those in whom they've placed their trust are unworthy of it.  Frankly, that is a common, natural response to ugly situations.

Who likes thinking that Carlos Urrutigoity, a known sodomite, was ordained by the SSPX?  How many others were there?  Who even wants to consider the ramifications of such irresponsible action, especially if it was the norm for a period of years?  They handled the situation just like what we now call the Novus Ordo; why is that and what does it mean?  If a known sodomite was passed through the system and ordained by the men spearheading the V2 resistance, how many unknown sodomites slipped through?  How many of them now hold positions of power within the various quadrants of Traddieland?

Who likes facing the reality that the entire Catholic world was decimated beyond comprehension by a spiritual atom bomb?  Most of the world is still completely oblivious that anything happened; most of those who see and accept the truth about the devastation wrought by V2 and the changes are still reeling from the effects far more than they realize.  No one would have thought God could die...until He did.  No one could have thought we'd see days like this...until they were upon us.

Nothing is what it once was; nothing makes sense any more or shows any signs of returning to what was once called normal.  That world is gone and, in a very real sense, will NEVER return.  Sure, supernatural faith tells us all is and will be well, but all that is readily tangible or discernible speaks of utter devastation that is way beyond healing by any merely-human agency.

As for the seminarians, they've ruined their present prospects all by themselves.  What they choose to make of the future, however, is entirely in their hands.  We all make mistakes, even very grave ones.  We all have warts and screw up on a regular basis.  Thankfully, most people tend to be far more forgiving than we think they will be.  If the seminarians have genuine vocations, place all their trust in God and conform their will to God's, there is nothing to worry about and nothing, absolutely nothing can stop them from fulfilling God's adorable will.  Looking at the lives of the Saints, the greater the adversity to be overcome, the greater the reward.  Gold is purified in the fire, not by a bubble bath or a stay at the Ritz Carlton.

IMO, the recent and present situation is so insane and unhealthy that the wisest thing to do -- the only thing I am going to do after this post -- is just let it unfold however it is going to unfold.

I have said many things in recent years.  People either believe them or do not believe them.  If they do not believe any of it, that's the end of that; if they believe some or all of what I said, they will either put that info to good use or they will not.  I am not responsible for the choices of others and will waste no more precious time with these matters.  While I certainly said some things I should not have and was unkind to some, the reason I have not retracted anything with respect to the content of what I said is simple: it is all true.

I know some will never believe that this is so; that is okay and completely out of my hands.  While it proves nothing, does anyone ever ask himself: would anyone have initially bothered about what Eamon said, or still be bothering about it, if he were really just a crazy guy talking total b.s.?  In other words, if it was and is all in my head, as Fr C tried to pretend, why is anyone still here?  Why was anyone ever here?  Why does the long-empty and totally-insignificant Ode thread have 30000 views since Matthew removed the other, which had a truly staggering audience and impact?  If I am crazy and just making stuff up, are not all who've tuned in even crazier for paying any attention, whether initially or over all this time?  We all know what normal people do in the face of a truly crazy person: they ignore his nonsense and go about their own business, knowing by experience that not only is the crazy man's spiel utter nonsense but also that it will have absolutely no meaningful influence upon anyone.  In other words, sane people don't waste their time refuting crazy men precisely because they know they are crazy and no one will believe their nonsense.  So, why all the fuss?  Why does the fuss still go on?  Some might say it is because I just won't shut up; fair enough.  Unfortunately, the fact that I've said anything, however voluminous, does not account for why anyone has continued to listen or respond.  The real reason people continue to tune in and chime in is this:

These issues are far greater than I or something I just made up out of thin air.  There is a spiritual cancer within the very heart of Traddieland, it is affecting a great many people, and no one wants to admit it or do anything about it -- least of all those with an express duty before God to guard and guide the flock.

Goodbye and godspeed to absolutely everyone who reads these words.

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The filthy disgusting blather slandering the good name of a pretty well known traditional catholic gets to stay. The inane drivel from a mental patient gets to stay, and all those questioning his sanity are effectively silenced by an unfortunate accident by the moderator.

He's really got the whole lot here fooled.

Not the whole lot.

Some of us had anticipated such a thing as soon as Rob was banned and it was announced that all his posts would be erased, and yet they were not erased. All his posts were ascribed to the "unregistered guest." Matthew said he would erase all of Rob's posts, and therefore we concluded that all of the posts of the "unregistered guest" might also go.

Someone's got their thinking cap on. He actually wrote the script to erase all "guest" posts outside this forum, but doing such things late at night is seldom a good idea. Of course, he did find his scripting error after the fact.

Many people – especially in the “traditional” world – are (unfortunately) familiar with what has been said and circulated about one Bishop Paul Petko.  I say “unfortunate” because most of that which has been disseminated is misinformation.  But the greatest misfortune is this: Bp. Petko, the victim of all that was said against him, was never given a chance to defend himself against it.  That is the tragedy; that is the injustice.  He could be guilty or innocent: that is immaterial.

What base hypocrisy.

Petko is being defended only because it serves the interests of Toth and his cabal. Otherwise, he too would be smeared as a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ by Jim (for he is Traddieland's walking "gαydar").

The real tragedy here is that the Seminarians never got a chance: 1) Sanborn expels the Europeans from his cult at Brooksville; 2) Pivarunas expells the Seminarians without telling them, as Jim himself had whined about last year; 3) the lay agitators destroy their Seminary and their futures.

The Seminarians embody in themselves the pastoral failures of sedevacantism as a movement.

It is the Seminarian who is being attacked so wickedly by Bernie Hall that is being treated with rank injustice: http://www.athanasiusseminary.blogspot.com/

These people are so transparent and stupid. They will face the judgment at Doomsday for what they are doing, and so shall the clergymen that are allowing this to happen.

*Bump*

A reminder of of the fruits of "sedevacantism,' lest the SSPX faithful are seduced by vultures such as Cekada, who are more than willing to confuse them all the more in these troubled times and bring them into his cult.

For Craig Toth, Jim Gebel, Sr., Janet gαye, Bernard Hall, and all the bastards that aided and abetted their chicanery, and the pastoral failures of Ramolla and others, are the ultimately the fruits of SGG, the sect that "sedevacantism" has brought forth.