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Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2024, 06:21:20 AM »
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  • While I appreciate the generous, even noble, spirit of your view, I think fairness requires a look at the other side of the coin too. Those calling on Sean for an apology have had years of experience with him, years worth of, lets be honest, jackassery. It's easy to see and to say that others should just forgive, and, honestly, that is the right answer, but its not so easy when you're the one that has to do the forgiving.

    What I'm saying is to realize that many of the enmities found here aren't based on one-off events, but are cuмulative. It's the same thing with Lad, he's worked very hard at creating ill will towards himself for far longer than the recent political debates and that's not anyone else's fault but his own.

    As for Sean, I only had a handful of run ins with him for which, to his great credit and to my edification, he apologized. I commend him for his virtue and am glad to hear that he is still working out his salvation.
    Great post. Especially where you point out that both he and Ladislaus are similar in their histories of poor behavior on this forum (and yet we have a whole thread where most of the posters have done nothing but praise or explain away the latter). 

    Although I wasn't asking for an apology from Sean, I can understand why others are doing so.  I just think we have to be careful not to demand one.  Knowing he has made numerous apologies in the past, I won't be surprised that at some time, when he is ready, he will do so in the way he feels most comfortable doing so.

    Not too long ago, LaramieHirsch came back to apologize to the sedes:

    Sorry, Sedes - Crisis in the Church - Catholic Info

    I, for one, would love to have Sean come back just to hear how he came to the sede position.

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #31 on: November 30, 2024, 06:45:03 AM »
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  • While I didn't always agree with Sean and he was sometimes a bit abrasive when angry, I always found him to be quick to apologize when he realized that he was wrong....unlike many other traditional Catholics whom I have known.

    He shared a lot of good research and information that has helped me throughout the years and I have a lot of respect for him.

    I am just grateful to hear that he and his family are well.  To those of you who are in contact with him, please give him my regards the next time you speak with him.
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #32 on: November 30, 2024, 10:20:22 AM »
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  • I didn't think it was much of a surprise that he's sede now.

    Now that you mention it, there were posts of his from 2+years ago, where I wondered if he was adopting a sedevacantist view. I questioned him about it, but he didn't respond, that I recall. Maybe he had been thinking about it or considering it for awhile. 

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #33 on: November 30, 2024, 10:20:58 AM »
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  • Above post is mine. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #34 on: November 30, 2024, 10:43:37 AM »
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  • Now that you mention it, there were posts of his from 2+years ago, where I wondered if he was adopting a sedevacantist view. I questioned him about it, but he didn't respond, that I recall. Maybe he had been thinking about it or considering it for awhile.
    You could be right, although it seems to me, and I could be wrong, that +Vigano had a lot to do with it. To me, Sean seemed to really admire +Vigano, and because +Vigano said some things that sounded sede might have kinda finally helped push him over the edge.  
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #35 on: November 30, 2024, 11:07:29 AM »
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  • "Sede Sanhedrin"—Perfect! So quotable!

    Yes, a good one. It could also be aptly shortened or amended to "Sedehedrin," or "Sedhedrin."  

    That's simply a comment on the clever phrase, not a denigration of Sedes or their mentality, etc. 

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #36 on: November 30, 2024, 11:10:55 AM »
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  • I wish Lad and Sean both would come back.
    I enjoyed their posts.I learned a lot.

    Is Lad gone? I've been "gone" myself, but I can't imagine Lad gone from here. 

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #37 on: November 30, 2024, 12:59:49 PM »
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  • Is Lad gone? I've been "gone" myself, but I can't imagine Lad gone from here.
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    This is what she is talking about.


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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #38 on: November 30, 2024, 01:15:15 PM »
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  • Now that you mention it, there were posts of his from 2+years ago, where I wondered if he was adopting a sedevacantist view. I questioned him about it, but he didn't respond, that I recall. Maybe he had been thinking about it or considering it for awhile.
    At first, I thought this was too long ago, but given he's been gone a year now, this is probably not too far off.  I started to notice a change/shift in his posting a number of months prior to his leaving. 

    And to Stubborn's point, yes, it might have had something to do with Vigano but I don't think he was the sole influence (because I still wouldn't consider Vigano a sedevacantist nor am I convinced he will ever be a sedevacantist.  Not to mention that he still hasn't made it public that he was conditionally consecrated by Bishop Williamson and I'm not convinced he ever will do that either   what is it a year now?).

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #39 on: December 02, 2024, 04:38:10 PM »
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  • At first, I thought this was too long ago, but given he's been gone a year now, this is probably not too far off.  I started to notice a change/shift in his posting a number of months prior to his leaving. 

    And to Stubborn's point, yes, it might have had something to do with Vigano but I don't think he was the sole influence (because I still wouldn't consider Vigano a sedevacantist nor am I convinced he will ever be a sedevacantist.  Not to mention that he still hasn't made it public that he was conditionally consecrated by Bishop Williamson and I'm not convinced he ever will do that either  what is it a year now?).

    I meant to reply to your post sooner. It seems amazing that it's been a year now since Sean left. Time passes more quickly, the older I get. Yes, it may have had something to do with +Vigano. I had forgotten about that. And yes, that probably wasn't the sole influence. I can understand why Sean wouldn't want to come back. After all, he doesn't support the Resistance anymore, that I can tell. And he'd have to deal with those here who resent him for criticizing sedevacantism all those years. Oh well! 

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #40 on: December 02, 2024, 04:39:04 PM »
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  • Oops! The above post is mine. forget to check the box, as usual. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #41 on: December 02, 2024, 08:00:49 PM »
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  • Sean sent out an email last December 12 with the subject "Vigano's Remarkable Speech". It presented the Archbishop's "Is The Pope Catholic" Conference from a few days earlier: https://www.marcotosatti.com/2023/12/11/bergoglio-e-cattolico-profetateci-illusioni-carlo-maria-vigano/

    I briefly replied to Sean:

    I am disappointed with Archbishop Vigano's sedevacantist orientation, only more division will come from it, as always. It spoils his otherwise outstanding work. The devil found a way in.
    All the good he was doing to bring conservatives to Tradition risks perishing. It seems he has already alienated the Benedictine nuns in Italy.
    He says we cannot declare Francis not Pope, because we do not have the authority, but he effectively declares as much anyway - he never ever calls him Pope Francis.
    Too much of what he asserts is conjecture, and no matter how likely it may all be, it is not Catholic doctrine, and I don't think anything has substantially changed from when Archbishop Lefebvre was alive. If he only continued the same respect towards the Pope, while continuing to decry the great evils of his papacy that leave us all in disbelief, I think he would do infinitely more good.

    Sean didn't acknowledge this reply. No doubt he received others...


    There is no doubt Archbishop Vigano influenced him. The pre-55 Holy Week issue also loomed large for him.

    Yes, he is sorely missed. We have much to thank him for. Best wishes to him and his family.

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #42 on: December 07, 2024, 12:00:23 PM »
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  • Former sede here, now I’m neutral but of course, have nothing to do with the novus ordo. 

    Now I’m convinced the whole issue (R&R vs sede) is a complete distraction to the spiritual life and actually super dangerous. 

    Now I see sede has the greater danger due to its tendency towards schism and pride.

    I thank God He let me see all this and got me out of it. 

    May He be blessed for ever and ever. 

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #43 on: December 07, 2024, 01:15:02 PM »
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  • Now I see sede has the greater danger due to its tendency towards schism and pride.

    Schism?  Classic.  I'll stick with sedevacantism but thank you anyway.

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #44 on: December 07, 2024, 01:23:16 PM »
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  • Former sede here, now I’m neutral but of course, have nothing to do with the novus ordo.

    Now I’m convinced the whole issue (R&R vs sede) is a complete distraction to the spiritual life and actually super dangerous.

    Now I see sede has the greater danger due to its tendency towards schism and pride.

    I thank God He let me see all this and got me out of it.

    May He be blessed for ever and ever.


    When I read posts like this, I’ve come to the conclusion that the poster never really understood sedevacantism in the first place or his desire to not be an outcast outweighed his love for the truth.