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Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2024, 01:15:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on November 30, 2024, 10:20:22 AM
    Now that you mention it, there were posts of his from 2+years ago, where I wondered if he was adopting a sedevacantist view. I questioned him about it, but he didn't respond, that I recall. Maybe he had been thinking about it or considering it for awhile.
    At first, I thought this was too long ago, but given he's been gone a year now, this is probably not too far off.  I started to notice a change/shift in his posting a number of months prior to his leaving. 

    And to Stubborn's point, yes, it might have had something to do with Vigano but I don't think he was the sole influence (because I still wouldn't consider Vigano a sedevacantist nor am I convinced he will ever be a sedevacantist.  Not to mention that he still hasn't made it public that he was conditionally consecrated by Bishop Williamson and I'm not convinced he ever will do that either   what is it a year now?).
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #46 on: December 02, 2024, 04:38:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on November 30, 2024, 01:15:15 PM
    At first, I thought this was too long ago, but given he's been gone a year now, this is probably not too far off.  I started to notice a change/shift in his posting a number of months prior to his leaving. 

    And to Stubborn's point, yes, it might have had something to do with Vigano but I don't think he was the sole influence (because I still wouldn't consider Vigano a sedevacantist nor am I convinced he will ever be a sedevacantist.  Not to mention that he still hasn't made it public that he was conditionally consecrated by Bishop Williamson and I'm not convinced he ever will do that either  what is it a year now?).

    I meant to reply to your post sooner. It seems amazing that it's been a year now since Sean left. Time passes more quickly, the older I get. Yes, it may have had something to do with +Vigano. I had forgotten about that. And yes, that probably wasn't the sole influence. I can understand why Sean wouldn't want to come back. After all, he doesn't support the Resistance anymore, that I can tell. And he'd have to deal with those here who resent him for criticizing sedevacantism all those years. Oh well! 
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #47 on: December 02, 2024, 04:39:04 PM »
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    • Oops! The above post is mine. forget to check the box, as usual. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #48 on: December 02, 2024, 08:00:49 PM »
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    • Sean sent out an email last December 12 with the subject "Vigano's Remarkable Speech". It presented the Archbishop's "Is The Pope Catholic" Conference from a few days earlier: https://www.marcotosatti.com/2023/12/11/bergoglio-e-cattolico-profetateci-illusioni-carlo-maria-vigano/

    I briefly replied to Sean:

    I am disappointed with Archbishop Vigano's sedevacantist orientation, only more division will come from it, as always. It spoils his otherwise outstanding work. The devil found a way in.
    All the good he was doing to bring conservatives to Tradition risks perishing. It seems he has already alienated the Benedictine nuns in Italy.
    He says we cannot declare Francis not Pope, because we do not have the authority, but he effectively declares as much anyway - he never ever calls him Pope Francis.
    Too much of what he asserts is conjecture, and no matter how likely it may all be, it is not Catholic doctrine, and I don't think anything has substantially changed from when Archbishop Lefebvre was alive. If he only continued the same respect towards the Pope, while continuing to decry the great evils of his papacy that leave us all in disbelief, I think he would do infinitely more good.

    Sean didn't acknowledge this reply. No doubt he received others...


    There is no doubt Archbishop Vigano influenced him. The pre-55 Holy Week issue also loomed large for him.

    Yes, he is sorely missed. We have much to thank him for. Best wishes to him and his family.
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #49 on: December 07, 2024, 12:00:23 PM »
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    • Former sede here, now I’m neutral but of course, have nothing to do with the novus ordo. 

    Now I’m convinced the whole issue (R&R vs sede) is a complete distraction to the spiritual life and actually super dangerous. 

    Now I see sede has the greater danger due to its tendency towards schism and pride.

    I thank God He let me see all this and got me out of it. 

    May He be blessed for ever and ever. 
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #50 on: December 07, 2024, 01:15:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on December 07, 2024, 12:00:23 PM
    Now I see sede has the greater danger due to its tendency towards schism and pride.

    Schism?  Classic.  I'll stick with sedevacantism but thank you anyway.
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #51 on: December 07, 2024, 01:23:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on December 07, 2024, 12:00:23 PM
    Former sede here, now I’m neutral but of course, have nothing to do with the novus ordo.

    Now I’m convinced the whole issue (R&R vs sede) is a complete distraction to the spiritual life and actually super dangerous.

    Now I see sede has the greater danger due to its tendency towards schism and pride.

    I thank God He let me see all this and got me out of it.

    May He be blessed for ever and ever.


    When I read posts like this, I’ve come to the conclusion that the poster never really understood sedevacantism in the first place or his desire to not be an outcast outweighed his love for the truth.
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #52 on: December 07, 2024, 01:31:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on December 07, 2024, 12:00:23 PM
    Now I see sede has the greater danger due to its tendency towards schism and pride.

    I would argue that this is more likely te case with R&R given their actions and thinking towards the man they consider a true Pope.  
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #53 on: December 07, 2024, 01:35:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on November 28, 2024, 11:07:09 AM
    I was just reading the long thread on LifeSite News due to +Schneider comments on Bergoglio's so called 'ambiguities' and came across this from a Sean Johnson.  Is it the same Sean Johnson of CathInfo fame and is he a sede now? 


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    To answer the question that this poster asked, whether Sean is a sede now (assuming he is the same Sean Johnson who wrote what is quoted in the image), I'd say the answer is no. First of all, asking questions does not state one's position. In a sense, a question is actually the opposite of a statement.

    As to whether we can infer that Sean is a sedevacantist from this post, I would again say no. A sedevacantist is someone who says, "Bergoglio is not the pope" or other statements with similar effect. That is not being said here, nor anything remotely equivalent.

    Moreover, if Sean were sedevacantist, not only would he probably have come back here and said so, since he is an honest and stand-up guy, and that's what a stand-up guy would do, but he would also probably be explaining sedevacantism in that quote instead of asking open-ended questions like what is seen here.

    All of this causes me to say no, Sean is not a sedevacantist.
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #54 on: December 07, 2024, 02:04:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on December 07, 2024, 01:35:54 PM
    .

    To answer the question that this poster asked, whether Sean is a sede now (assuming he is the same Sean Johnson who wrote what is quoted in the image), I'd say the answer is no. First of all, asking questions does not state one's position. In a sense, a question is actually the opposite of a statement.

    As to whether we can infer that Sean is a sedevacantist from this post, I would again say no. A sedevacantist is someone who says, "Bergoglio is not the pope" or other statements with similar effect. That is not being said here, nor anything remotely equivalent.

    Moreover, if Sean were sedevacantist, not only would he probably have come back here and said so, since he is an honest and stand-up guy, and that's what a stand-up guy would do, but he would also probably be explaining sedevacantism in that quote instead of asking open-ended questions like what is seen here.

    All of this causes me to say no, Sean is not a sedevacantist.
    I think his questioning was to make the reader think.  You may have missed this update not too long ago.  I think he has, in fact, become a sedevacantist:

    Recognizing legitimacy to Bergoglio has only one final beneficiary: Bergoglio - page 2 - Crisis in the Church - Catholic Info
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #55 on: December 07, 2024, 02:12:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on December 07, 2024, 02:04:09 PM
    I think his questioning was to make the reader think.  You may have missed this update not too long ago.  I think he has, in fact, become a sedevacantist:

    Recognizing legitimacy to Bergoglio has only one final beneficiary: Bergoglio - page 2 - Crisis in the Church - Catholic Info
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    Well, in the quote you give, he isn't saying he believes the throne is empty, either. He is saying he doesn't know. But a sedevacantist is someone who believes the seat is vacant.
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #56 on: December 07, 2024, 02:15:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on December 07, 2024, 02:12:47 PM
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    Well, in the quote you give, he isn't saying he believes the throne is empty, either. He is saying he doesn't know. But a sedevacantist is someone who believes the seat is vacant.
    He does say this:

    I guess you could say I’m a “practical sedevacantist,” even if not a theoretical one.

    And then says he goes to a SSPV chapel.  At the very least, he's definitely no longer Resistance/R&R.

    But perhaps you are correct. If so, I think it's just a matter of time before he goes "full-on theoretical".  And then maybe we'll hear from him.  I hope so.  I agree that he is an honest and up-standing guy (even if he and I have had our moments!).
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #57 on: December 07, 2024, 03:16:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: AMDG forever on December 07, 2024, 01:23:16 PM

    When I read posts like this, I’ve come to the conclusion that the poster never really understood sedevacantism in the first place or his desire to not be an outcast outweighed his love for the truth.
    Sounds more like he left sedevacantism because he came to really understand it.
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    Sede v. R&R
    « Reply #58 on: December 07, 2024, 03:17:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on December 07, 2024, 01:31:50 PM
    I would argue that this is more likely te case with R&R given their actions and thinking towards the man they consider a true Pope. 
    I think the balance depends upon how dogmatic the person is.  When it gets to the point of obsession and casting anathemata, either side can fall.

    There is no authority alive on Earth today who can settle issues that were not already infallibly defined before the so-called "Vatican 2."
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #59 on: December 07, 2024, 05:30:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Änσnymσus on December 07, 2024, 03:16:24 PM
    Sounds more like he left sedevacantism because he came to really understand it.

    If he likens it to schism, then he really does not understand it.
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