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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2024, 04:30:02 PM »
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  • Mark talked to Sean in the phone, so now he’s Sean’s biggest fan and apologist.  

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #31 on: November 29, 2024, 05:08:01 PM »
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  • Actually, Sean and I have been friendly for years. How else would he have my phone number? So much for your discernment.

    Decent Catholics can discern why I didn't post about Sean right after our call despite having Sean's permission to post if I chose. I expected such self-serving "I told you so" vituperation, so I didn't post anything until a week later when the anonymous O.P. asked about a public post from Sean addressing the sede issue.

    Truly, the behavior of some of you is akin to Shylock demanding his pound of flesh.


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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #32 on: November 29, 2024, 08:36:30 PM »
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  • Truly, the behavior of some of you is akin to Shylock demanding his pound of flesh.
    Well as we know, the biggest enemy of a traditional Catholic is... other traditional Catholics. :facepalm:

    As someone who holds the sede position, I'm very disappointed in some of the sedes commenting in this thread. Sean Johnson finally comes around to the sede position, and the first thing that some people here can think of is how he should come back here and grovel at the feet of the Sede Sanhedrin in apology, all because he has changed his position on the crisis in the Church to the position he used to argue against. I completely understand Sean not wanting to come back here to post if this is the kind of welcome he would receive.

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #33 on: November 29, 2024, 08:42:50 PM »
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  • "Sede Sanhedrin"—Perfect! So quotable!

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #34 on: November 29, 2024, 09:47:30 PM »
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    and the first thing that some people here can think of is how he should come back here and grovel at the feet of the Sede Sanhedrin in apology
    You’re a drama queen.  


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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #35 on: November 29, 2024, 11:52:12 PM »
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  • Well as we know, the biggest enemy of a traditional Catholic is... other traditional Catholics. :facepalm:

    As someone who holds the sede position, I'm very disappointed in some of the sedes commenting in this thread. Sean Johnson finally comes around to the sede position, and the first thing that some people here can think of is how he should come back here and grovel at the feet of the Sede Sanhedrin in apology, all because he has changed his position on the crisis in the Church to the position he used to argue against. I completely understand Sean not wanting to come back here to post if this is the kind of welcome he would receive.
    While I appreciate the generous, even noble, spirit of your view, I think fairness requires a look at the other side of the coin too. Those calling on Sean for an apology have had years of experience with him, years worth of, lets be honest, jackassery. It's easy to see and to say that others should just forgive, and, honestly, that is the right answer, but its not so easy when you're the one that has to do the forgiving. What I'm saying is to realize that many of the enmities found here aren't based on one-off events, but are cuмulative. It's the same thing with Lad, he's worked very hard at creating ill will towards himself for far longer than the recent political debates and that's not anyone else's fault but his own.
    As for Sean, I only had a handful of run ins with him for which, to his great credit and to my edification, he apologized. I commend him for his virtue and am glad to hear that he is still working out his salvation.

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #36 on: November 30, 2024, 04:38:21 AM »
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  • I didn't think it was much of a surprise that he's sede now.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #37 on: November 30, 2024, 06:21:20 AM »
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  • While I appreciate the generous, even noble, spirit of your view, I think fairness requires a look at the other side of the coin too. Those calling on Sean for an apology have had years of experience with him, years worth of, lets be honest, jackassery. It's easy to see and to say that others should just forgive, and, honestly, that is the right answer, but its not so easy when you're the one that has to do the forgiving.

    What I'm saying is to realize that many of the enmities found here aren't based on one-off events, but are cuмulative. It's the same thing with Lad, he's worked very hard at creating ill will towards himself for far longer than the recent political debates and that's not anyone else's fault but his own.

    As for Sean, I only had a handful of run ins with him for which, to his great credit and to my edification, he apologized. I commend him for his virtue and am glad to hear that he is still working out his salvation.
    Great post. Especially where you point out that both he and Ladislaus are similar in their histories of poor behavior on this forum (and yet we have a whole thread where most of the posters have done nothing but praise or explain away the latter). 

    Although I wasn't asking for an apology from Sean, I can understand why others are doing so.  I just think we have to be careful not to demand one.  Knowing he has made numerous apologies in the past, I won't be surprised that at some time, when he is ready, he will do so in the way he feels most comfortable doing so.

    Not too long ago, LaramieHirsch came back to apologize to the sedes:

    Sorry, Sedes - Crisis in the Church - Catholic Info

    I, for one, would love to have Sean come back just to hear how he came to the sede position.


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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #38 on: November 30, 2024, 06:45:03 AM »
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  • While I didn't always agree with Sean and he was sometimes a bit abrasive when angry, I always found him to be quick to apologize when he realized that he was wrong....unlike many other traditional Catholics whom I have known.

    He shared a lot of good research and information that has helped me throughout the years and I have a lot of respect for him.

    I am just grateful to hear that he and his family are well.  To those of you who are in contact with him, please give him my regards the next time you speak with him.
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #39 on: November 30, 2024, 10:20:22 AM »
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  • I didn't think it was much of a surprise that he's sede now.

    Now that you mention it, there were posts of his from 2+years ago, where I wondered if he was adopting a sedevacantist view. I questioned him about it, but he didn't respond, that I recall. Maybe he had been thinking about it or considering it for awhile. 

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #40 on: November 30, 2024, 10:20:58 AM »
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  • Above post is mine. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #41 on: November 30, 2024, 10:43:37 AM »
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  • Now that you mention it, there were posts of his from 2+years ago, where I wondered if he was adopting a sedevacantist view. I questioned him about it, but he didn't respond, that I recall. Maybe he had been thinking about it or considering it for awhile.
    You could be right, although it seems to me, and I could be wrong, that +Vigano had a lot to do with it. To me, Sean seemed to really admire +Vigano, and because +Vigano said some things that sounded sede might have kinda finally helped push him over the edge.  
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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #42 on: November 30, 2024, 11:07:29 AM »
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  • "Sede Sanhedrin"—Perfect! So quotable!

    Yes, a good one. It could also be aptly shortened or amended to "Sedehedrin," or "Sedhedrin."  

    That's simply a comment on the clever phrase, not a denigration of Sedes or their mentality, etc. 

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #43 on: November 30, 2024, 11:10:55 AM »
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  • I wish Lad and Sean both would come back.
    I enjoyed their posts.I learned a lot.

    Is Lad gone? I've been "gone" myself, but I can't imagine Lad gone from here. 

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #44 on: November 30, 2024, 12:59:49 PM »
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  • Is Lad gone? I've been "gone" myself, but I can't imagine Lad gone from here.
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    This is what she is talking about.