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Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
« Reply #60 on: December 07, 2024, 08:35:37 PM »
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  • If he likens it to schism, then he really does not understand it.
    Sede clergy refuse the sacraments to r&r people, and tell sedes they will commit a mortal sin if they go to r&r clergy for the Mass and sacraments. 

    Yet all the while, at the same time the same sede clergy still claim these r&r clergy are still “catholic”.

    So they are refusing the sacraments to people they consider Catholic, and forbidding other Catholics from receiving go the sacraments from clergy they somehow still regard as Catholic. 

    This is flat out schism.

    “The sin of schism is also committed by separation from the members of the Church. Thus, one who refuses to communicate with Catholics in matters of faith or worship, choosing to act as an independent in those things, is a schismatic.”

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #61 on: December 07, 2024, 09:14:22 PM »
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  • Sede clergy refuse the sacraments to r&r people, and tell sedes they will commit a mortal sin if they go to r&r clergy for the Mass and sacraments.

    Yet all the while, at the same time the same sede clergy still claim these r&r clergy are still “catholic”.

    So they are refusing the sacraments to people they consider Catholic, and forbidding other Catholics from receiving go the sacraments from clergy they somehow still regard as Catholic.

    This is flat out schism.

    “The sin of schism is also committed by separation from the members of the Church. Thus, one who refuses to communicate with Catholics in matters of faith or worship, choosing to act as an independent in those things, is a schismatic.”
    You are talking about dogmatic non Una cuм Sedevacantist clergy. The CMRI, which is he largest Sedevacantist group, do not follow these practices. 


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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #62 on: December 07, 2024, 09:17:51 PM »
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  • If we want to be technical, R&R is also schismatic.  They say new-Rome is in authority but then do their own thing.  

    There’s no Trad option which is free from criticism.  Accept this, everyone stop flinging mud, and pray.  

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    « Reply #63 on: December 07, 2024, 09:30:50 PM »
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  • If we want to be technical, R&R is also schismatic.  They say new-Rome is in authority but then do their own thing. 

    There’s no Trad option which is free from criticism.  Accept this, everyone stop flinging mud, and pray. 


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    « Reply #64 on: December 07, 2024, 09:41:25 PM »
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  • If we want to be technical, R&R is also schismatic.  They say new-Rome is in authority but then do their own thing. 

    There’s no Trad option which is free from criticism.  Accept this, everyone stop flinging mud, and pray. 
    You should do a little more thinking, this is just parroting what the anti una cuм sede clergy say. 

    Can you tell me how many sede clergy didn’t do this same exact thing in the beginning? And don’t say “oh it wasn’t clear then.” The point is the principle is sound. 


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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #65 on: December 07, 2024, 09:46:53 PM »
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  • You are talking about dogmatic non Una cuм Sedevacantist clergy. The CMRI, which is he largest Sedevacantist group, do not follow these practices.
    So they disagree on an issue that one group considers it a mortal sin and the other one doesn’t. 

    That’s quite the disagreement. 

    But some still claim they’re all “united in the essentials.”

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #66 on: December 07, 2024, 11:30:14 PM »
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  • FIFY

    I do not recall a single interaction with him where he wasn't a jerk. I don't care how smart or knowledgeable he was in connection with theology, that does not excuse lack of charity.

    "And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." 1 Corinthians 13:2
      Yeah, over the years, he had such a dominant position on the forum, it appeared Sean was a Cathinfo moderator...towing the line for the SSPX Resistance.
      His SSPX Resistance writings were extensive, and his R&R views well known. He never backed down from a fight if you
      differed with him, and often "lost his cool". Being big buds with Bp. Williamson and more recently Vigano,
      likely made it hard for Sean to face this forum again. 

      BTW, Bp. Williamson calls Vigano the "Heir to the Light of the Truth", which he means is +ABL. 
      While Vigano had taken a sede position only to the current jew-pope. He still believes B16 was a true pope.
      This was revealed in the Taylor Marshall interview.
      
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #67 on: December 08, 2024, 12:13:42 PM »
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  • When I read posts like this, I’ve come to the conclusion that the poster never really understood sedevacantism in the first place or his desire to not be an outcast outweighed his love for the truth.

    “Sedevacantism” is a talismanic word, conjured by followers and crypto watch-dogs of the Church Revolution.

    The magical properties endowed to the word can be exhibited by a robust conversation amongst a group of trads, when “sedevacantist” is mentioned, suddenly you’d think kryptonite was dropped in front of Superman.

    It’s as if adult Catholics cannot engage in a conversation of the reality of an usurper jew-pope schism, as in Church history, as elucidated by St. Bernard of Clairvaux*.

    Hold strong to the Faith and do not be fooled by newChurch dialogue and talismanic words. They want your souls and your money.

    *See the history of anti-pope Anacletus II, 1130 A.D..


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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #68 on: December 08, 2024, 03:58:49 PM »
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  • Every Traditionalist group (not including the Indult, which isn’t Traditional) is technically schismatic.  But the Trad argument is to say that modern Rome is the schismatic sect.  There’s no perfect Trad position.  Both R&R and Sede positions solve problems and also have issues.  Nothing's perfect.  It’s not our job to figure it all out.  

    The current sspx continues to slide towards indultism.  The resistance is solid.  Most Sedes are solid.  There shouldn’t be as much fighting as there is between Trads.  But life’s not perfect. 

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #69 on: December 08, 2024, 04:14:59 PM »
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  • Every Traditionalist group (not including the Indult, which isn’t Traditional) is technically schismatic.  But the Trad argument is to say that modern Rome is the schismatic sect.  There’s no perfect Trad position.  Both R&R and Sede positions solve problems and also have issues.  Nothing's perfect.  It’s not our job to figure it all out. 

    The current sspx continues to slide towards indultism.  The resistance is solid.  Most Sedes are solid.  There shouldn’t be as much fighting as there is between Trads.  But life’s not perfect.
    It is no longer amusing to toss around the accusation of schism.

    In his lifting of the episcopal excommunications "Pope" Benedict XVI explicitly stated that there was only "danger of schism" and he explicitly stated that the excommunications were of persons for proceeding without a papal mandate and that the SSPX institution was not schismatic. To repeat, he only went so far as to claim a "danger of schism."

    I recently posted his exact words, so am not at all inclined to look for it again to re-post it. I estimate the post was about 1 month ago.

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #70 on: December 09, 2024, 08:15:06 AM »
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  • Legally speaking, all Trads are in schism.  Morally speaking, they are not.  


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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #71 on: December 09, 2024, 08:43:40 AM »
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  • It is no longer amusing to toss around the accusation of schism.

    In his lifting of the episcopal excommunications "Pope" Benedict XVI explicitly stated that there was only "danger of schism" and he explicitly stated that the excommunications were of persons for proceeding without a papal mandate and that the SSPX institution was not schismatic. To repeat, he only went so far as to claim a "danger of schism."

    I recently posted his exact words, so am not at all inclined to look for it again to re-post it. I estimate the post was about 1 month ago.
    That's what he said about the SSPX, what would he say about CMRI, SSPV etc.? 

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    Re: Sean Johnson on LifeSite News - Is He a Sede Now ?
    « Reply #72 on: December 09, 2024, 10:30:42 AM »
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  • That's what he said about the SSPX, what would he say about CMRI, SSPV etc.?
    Since he is dead and judged, we cannot ask him. We can only speculate.

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    « Reply #73 on: December 09, 2024, 10:31:22 AM »
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  • Since Ratzinger is dead and judged, we cannot ask him. We can only speculate.




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    « Reply #74 on: December 09, 2024, 10:34:21 AM »
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  • Legally speaking, all Trads are in schism.  Morally speaking, they are not. 

    In schism from what? The conciliar church?