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Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2018, 04:16:17 PM »
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  • It is sad to see so many trads defend and make excuses for mortal sin of sodomy.  

    Sodomites have taken over the Church.   There are more sodomite friendly parishes than Traditional Latin Masses worldwide.  
    We are to flee from all sɛҳuąƖ immorality per the First Council of Jerusalem for only the pure in heart shall see God.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #31 on: June 03, 2018, 10:20:12 PM »
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  • It is sad to see so many trads defend and make excuses for mortal sin of sodomy.     
    Please point out the post of one person who "defends and make excuses for mortal sin of sodomy".

    To make it easier for you, since this is an Anonymous thread and each post is conveniently numbered, you could just post the Reply# number. Thank you.
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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #32 on: June 03, 2018, 11:29:09 PM »
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  • I thought the church taught that all sins are forgiven? How can sodomy not be forgiven, plus I think most married couple have committed that sin (oral on wife, which can been seen as sodomy)
    I have never known a traditional priest or a NO priest who approves of oral sex, which is a form of sodomy, or even mutual masturbation as both are a form of sex similar to the sin of Onan. Both oral sex and mutual masturbation are not open to life.

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #33 on: June 04, 2018, 12:34:27 AM »
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  • St. Augustine

    Sermon 21 on the New Testament

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    20. Against this gratuitous gift, against this grace of God, does the impenitent heart speak. This impenitence then is "the blasphemy of the Spirit, which shall not be forgiven, neither in this world, neither in the world to come." For against the Holy Spirit, by whom they whose sins are all forgiven are baptized, and whom the Church has received, that "whosesoever sins she remits, they may be remitted," does he speak, whether in the thought only, or also in the tongue, a very heinous and exceedingly ungodly word, who "when the patience of God leads him to repentance, after his hardness and impenitent heart treasures up unto himself wrath against the day of wrath, and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to every man according to his deeds." This impenitence then, for so by some one general name may we call both this blasphemy and the word against the Holy Ghost which has no forgiveness for ever; this impenitence, I say, against which both the herald and the Judge cried out, saying, "Repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand;" against which the Lord first opened the mouth of the Gospel preaching, and against which He foretold that the same Gospel was to be preached in all the world, when He said to His disciples after His resurrection from the dead, "it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His Name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem:" this impenitence, in one word, has no forgiveness "neither in this world, nor in the world to come;" for that repentance only obtains forgiveness in this world, that it may have its effect in the world to come.


    St. Leo the Great

    Sermon 75

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    4. As therefore we abhor the Arians, who maintain a difference between the Father and the Son, so also we abhor the Macedonians , who, although they ascribe equality to the Father and the Son, yet think the Holy Ghost to be of a lower nature, not considering that they thus fall into that blasphemy, which is not to be forgiven either in the present age or in the judgment to come, as the Lord says: "whosoever shall have spoken a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him, but he that shall have spoken against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him either in this age or in the age to come Matthew 12:32 ." And so to persist in this impiety is unpardonable, because it cuts him off from Him, by Whom he could confess: nor will he ever attain to healing pardon, who has no Advocate to plead for him. For from Him comes the invocation of the Father, from Him come the tears of penitents, from Him come the groans of suppliants, and "no one can call Jesus the Lord save in the Holy Ghost 1 Corinthians 12:3-6," Whose Omnipotence as equal and Whose Godhead as one, with the Father and the Son, the Apostle most clearly proclaims, saying, "there are divisions of graces but the same Spirit; and the divisions of ministrations but the same Lord; and there are divisions of operations but the same God, Who works all things in all 1 Corinthians 12:3-6 ."

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #34 on: June 04, 2018, 12:58:27 AM »
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  • St. Jerome

    Letter 147

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    3.

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    For nothing is so displeasing to God as an impenitent heart. Impenitence is the one sin for which there is no forgiveness. For if one who ceases to sin is pardoned even after he has sinned, and if prayer has power to bend the judge; it follows that every impenitent sinner must provoke his judge to wrath. Thus despair is the one sin for which there is no remedy. By obstinate rejection of God's grace men turn His mercy into sternness and severity. Yet, that you may know that God does every day call sinners to repentance, hear Isaiah's words: "In that day," he says, "did the Lord God of Hosts call to weeping and to mourning and to baldness and to girding with sackcloth: and behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine; let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die." After these words filled with the recklessness of despair the Scripture goes on to say: "And it was revealed in my ears by the Lord of Hosts, Surely this iniquity shall not be purged from you till you die." Isaiah 22:12-14 Only when they become dead to sin, will their sin be forgiven them. For, so long as they live in sin, it cannot be put away.


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    83. Now the man who, not believing that sins are remitted in the Church, despises this great gift of God's mercy, and persists to the last day of his life in his obstinacy of heart, is guilty of the unpardonable sin against the Holy Ghost, in whom Christ forgives sins. But this difficult question I have discussed as clearly as I could in a book devoted exclusively to this one point.


    St. John Chrysostom

    Letter 1

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    4. And speak not to me of those who have committed small sins, but suppose the case of one who is filled full of all wickedness, and let him practice everything which excludes him from the kingdom, and let us suppose that this man is not one of those who were unbelievers from the beginning, but formerly belonged to the believers, and such as were well pleasing to God, but afterwards has become a fornicator, adulterer, effeminate, a thief, a drunkard, a sodomite, a reviler, and everything else of this kind; I will not approve even of this man despairing of himself, although he may have gone on to extreme old age in the practice of this great and unspeakable wickedness. For if the wrath of God were a passion, one might well despair as being unable to quench the flame which he had kindled by so many evil doings; but since the Divine nature is passionless, even if He punishes, even if He takes vengeance, he does this not with wrath, but with tender care, and much loving-kindness; wherefore it behooves us to be of much good courage, and to trust in the power of repentance. For even those who have sinned against Him He is not wont to visit with punishment for His own sake; for no harm can traverse that divine nature; but He acts with a view to our advantage, and to prevent our perverseness becoming worse by our making a practice of despising and neglecting Him. For even as one who places himself outside the light inflicts no loss on the light, but the greatest upon himself being shut up in darkness; even so he who has become accustomed to despise that almighty power, does no injury to the power, but inflicts the greatest possible injury upon himself. And for this reason God threatens us with punishments, and often inflicts them, not as avenging Himself, but by way of attracting us to Himself. For a physician also is not distressed or vexed at the insults of those who are out of their minds, but yet does and contrives everything for the purpose of stopping those who do such unseemly acts, not looking to his own interests but to their profit; and if they manifest some small degree of self-control and sobriety he rejoices and is glad, and applies his remedies much more earnestly, not as revenging himself upon them for their former conduct, but as wishing to increase their advantage, and to bring them back to a purely sound state of health. Even so God when we fall into the very extremity of madness, says and does everything, not by way of avenging Himself on account of our former deeds; but because He wishes to release us from our disorder; and by means of right reason it is quite possible to be convinced of this.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.


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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #35 on: June 04, 2018, 01:23:48 AM »
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  • St. Irenaeus

    Against Heresies (Book IV, Chapter 41)

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    3. For as, among men, those sons who disobey their fathers, being disinherited, are still their sons in the course of nature, but by law are disinherited, for they do not become the heirs of their natural parents; so in the same way is it with God — those who do not obey Him being disinherited by Him, have ceased to be His sons. Wherefore they cannot receive His inheritance: as David says, "Sinners are alienated from the womb; their anger is after the likeness of a serpent." And therefore did the Lord term those whom He knew to be the offspring of men "a generation of vipers;" Matthew 23:33 because after the manner of these animals they go about in subtlety, and injure others. For He said, "Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees." Matthew 16:6 Speaking of Herod, too, He says, "Go and tell that fox," Luke 13:32 aiming at his wicked cunning and deceit. Wherefore the prophet David says, "Man, being placed in honour, is made like cattle." And again Jeremiah says, "They have become like horses, furious about females; each one neighed after his neighbour's wife." Jeremiah 5:8

    And Isaiah, when preaching in Judea, and reasoning with Israel, termed them "rulers of Sodom" and "people of Gomorrha;" Isaiah 1:10 intimating that they were like the Sodomites in wickedness, and that the same description of sins was rife among them, calling them by the same name, because of the similarity of their conduct.

    And inasmuch as they were not by nature so created by God, but had power also to act rightly, the same person said to them, giving them good counsel, "Wash, make you clean; take away iniquity from your souls before my eyes; cease from your iniquities." Isaiah 1:16

    Thus, no doubt, since they had transgressed and sinned in the same manner, so did they receive the same reproof as did the Sodomites.


    But when they should be converted and come to repentance, and cease from evil, they should have power to become the sons of God, and to receive the inheritance of immortality which is given by Him.

    For this reason, therefore, He has termed those "angels of the devil," and "children of the wicked one," Matthew 25:41, Matthew 13:38 who give heed to the devil, and do his works. But these are, at the same time, all created by the one and the same God. When, however, they believe and are subject to God, and go on and keep His doctrine, they are the sons of God; but when they have apostatized and fallen into transgression, they are ascribed to their chief, the devil— to him who first became the cause of apostasy to himself, and afterwards to others.
    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #36 on: June 04, 2018, 04:09:10 AM »
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  • Yes yes there is no forgiveness to impenitence, but how does that prove that there's no forgiveness for penitent sodomites? Believing that mortals sins can be forgiven through Confession is not saying they aren't mortals sins, it's just Catholic doctrine. 

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #37 on: June 04, 2018, 10:46:00 AM »
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  • Yes yes there is no forgiveness to impenitence, but how does that prove that there's no forgiveness for penitent sodomites? Believing that mortals sins can be forgiven through Confession is not saying they aren't mortals sins, it's just Catholic doctrine.
    I think that impenitence and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit by calling the Spirit of God a devil, in other words, calling Christ a sorcerer are definitely related.
    One who is a hardened sinner and who is impenitent most likely will curse God and commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Remember Job. Even though innocent Job suffered so greatly, he did not curse God.
    One who is hardened in sin and who commits all sorts of sins such as one in the Mafia or Rothschild cabal has no conscience because they don't care about anything. They have become a robot of Satan.
    In the Divine Office during Matins, one prays: "Harden not your heart."


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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #38 on: June 04, 2018, 10:33:54 PM »
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  • Yes yes there is no forgiveness to impenitence, but how does that prove that there's no forgiveness for penitent sodomites? Believing that mortals sins can be forgiven through Confession is not saying they aren't mortals sins, it's just Catholic doctrine.
    When one goes to confession and confesses his sins to the priest and the priest gives you absolution then your sins are forgiven. Yes, sodomy is a huge mortal sin, but if the priest forgives in confession then it is forgiven by Jesus Himself.
    I will pray for you.
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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #39 on: June 05, 2018, 01:58:34 PM »
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  • When one goes to confession and confesses his sins to the priest and the priest gives you absolution then your sins are forgiven. Yes, sodomy is a huge mortal sin, but if the priest forgives in confession then it is forgiven by Jesus Himself.
    I will pray for you.
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    I'm not a sodomite, I was just arguing against the notion that it was an unforgiveable sin even in penitence. 

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #40 on: June 06, 2018, 02:04:46 AM »
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  • I'm not a sodomite, I was just arguing against the notion that it was an unforgiveable sin even in penitence.
    The mercy of God is for everyone and for all sins committed in this life.


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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #41 on: June 06, 2018, 04:43:17 PM »
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  • The mercy of God is for everyone and for all sins committed in this life.......
    ....with the exception, of course, of the unforgivable sin!
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
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  • ....with the exception, of course, of the unforgivable sin!
    Which would be final impenitence.

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #43 on: March 13, 2019, 10:34:25 AM »
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  • Growing up I had heard, though not from ANY Catholic, that ѕυιcιdє is the unforgivable sin. I do not yet have what I have recently come to refer to as the Catholic way of thinking, reasoning. Maybe some one or more of you can expand on the teaching about ѕυιcιdє. And no, I am not in any way suicidal or having such thoughts.

    Having read through these posts, it seems to me that the unforgivable sin of final impenitence is at its root a rejection of God. Do I have this right?

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
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    4. As therefore we abhor the Arians, who maintain a difference between the Father and the Son, so also we abhor the Macedonians , who, although they ascribe equality to the Father and the Son, yet think the Holy Ghost to be of a lower nature, not considering that they thus fall into that blasphemy, which is not to be forgiven either in the present age or in the judgment to come, as the Lord says: "whosoever shall have spoken a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him, but he that shall have spoken against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him either in this age or in the age to come Matthew 12:32 ." And so to persist in this impiety is unpardonable, because it cuts him off from Him, by Whom he could confess: nor will he ever attain to healing pardon, who has no Advocate to plead for him. For from Him comes the invocation of the Father, from Him come the tears of penitents, from Him come the groans of suppliants, and "no one can call Jesus the Lord save in the Holy Ghost 1 Corinthians 12:3-6," Whose Omnipotence as equal and Whose Godhead as one, with the Father and the Son, the Apostle most clearly proclaims, saying, "there are divisions of graces but the same Spirit; and the divisions of ministrations but the same Lord; and there are divisions of operations but the same God, Who works all things in all 1 Corinthians 12:3-6 ."

    My priest explained that the sin against the Holy Ghost, or blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, is where one proclaims that Jesus Christ is of the Devil, or that He is the Devil, or that He works miracles through the Devil.
    Read the Gospels. The Jєωs committed blasphemy against the Holy Ghost when they said that Christ works miracles through the Devil. These Jєωs were immediately accused by Christ of committing blasphemy against the Holy Ghost because the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Ghost. Anyone who curses Christ like this has committed the unpardonable sin, which cannot be forgiven in this life nor in the next.