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Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
« on: June 01, 2018, 03:08:13 PM »
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  • I'm not sure what is is.

    As the church's teachings on it are not clear?

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #1 on: June 01, 2018, 03:22:52 PM »
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  • Theologians generally agree that the only unforgivable sin is final impenitence at the end of one's life.  Our Lord refers to it as the sin against the Holy Ghost.

    http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/unforgiv.htm

    I know this is a Novus Ordo source, but he quotes lots of other sources.

    St. Thomas Aquinas agreeing with St. Augustine:
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    "Augustine says . . . (Enchiridion lxxxiii) that 'he who dies in a state of obstinacy is guilty of the sin against the Holy Ghost,' ...


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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #2 on: June 01, 2018, 04:23:08 PM »
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  • I'm not sure what is is.

    As the church's teachings on it are not clear?
    Starting topics on the anonymous forum.

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #3 on: June 01, 2018, 05:11:51 PM »
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  • This sort of anxiety can be a sign of scrupulosity, an unhealthy spiritual state.  It might be better for you to discuss this with a priest, if possible, rather than on a forum.

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #4 on: June 01, 2018, 05:24:00 PM »
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  • what's the unforgivable sin?


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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #5 on: June 01, 2018, 05:27:35 PM »
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  • what's the unforgivable sin?
    Final impennitence.  You cannot be forgiven a sin when you die and are not sorry for committing the sin.

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #6 on: June 01, 2018, 05:32:07 PM »
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  • Final impennitence.  You cannot be forgiven a sin when you die and are not sorry for committing the sin.
    Well surely that's because you're dead. very hard to go to confession as a corpse. 
    but I meant what did OP consider an unforgivable sin, seeing as he's presumably alive 

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #7 on: June 01, 2018, 05:39:02 PM »
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  • Well surely that's because you're dead. very hard to go to confession as a corpse.
    but I meant what did OP consider an unforgivable sin, seeing as he's presumably alive
    That's my point.  Presuming the OP is still alive (and I think this is probably a real, real good presumption), I know of no sin that cannot be forgiven in confession if he/she is truly sorry for committing the sin.  In any event, a forum isn't the place to confess it and he/she needs to see a true priest.


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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #8 on: June 01, 2018, 08:19:26 PM »
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  • Final impennitence.  You cannot be forgiven a sin when you die and are not sorry for committing the sin.

    In other words, if you're still alive, you haven't committed this sin.

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #9 on: June 01, 2018, 08:20:57 PM »
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  • People can in fact read the Scripture passage in question and misunderstand it to be saying that if you blaspheme Our Lord or speak ill of the Holy Spirit ... in a way that a Satanist might, the sin is unforgivable.  But not so; that's not what Our Lord means here.

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #10 on: June 01, 2018, 09:03:30 PM »
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  • People can in fact read the Scripture passage in question and misunderstand it to be saying that if you blaspheme Our Lord or speak ill of the Holy Spirit ... in a way that a Satanist might, the sin is unforgivable.  But not so; that's not what Our Lord means here.
    My priest says that when people say that Christ is a sorcerer or that He works miracles through the devil, that is the sin  of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Typically, Jews sin in this manner as they are brought up to believe that Christ was a sorcerer.
    My priest has had many years experience as a confessor. When people say that Christ is a sorcerer or that He works miracles through the devil, this is the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. They cannot repent of this sin, thus they cannot be forgiven in this life or in the next. When a person confesses this sin, often in jest, thinking that it is funny, they do not show any signs of repentance, thus they cannot be granted absolution. My priest has spoken often about this in his sermons warning people to avoid this deadly sin and to avoid those who joke about Christ or take His Holy Name in vain.
    When I used to contribute to a Christian forum, which had a Catholic section, a man started a thread saying that he was quite certain that he had blasphemed against the Holy Spirit and he admitted to it. He asked for prayers as he was not able to repent, nor was he able to enter a church to go to confession. It was as if a strong invisible man prevented him from entering any church for the purpose of going to confession. Furthermore, he had nightly nightmares in which the devil was laughing at him and telling him that he was going to hell for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.


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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #11 on: June 01, 2018, 09:03:41 PM »
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  • My priest says that when people say that Christ is a sorcerer or that He works miracles through the devil, that is the sin  of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Typically, Jews sin in this manner as they are brought up to believe that Christ was a sorcerer.


    My priest has had many years experience as a confessor. When people say that Christ is a sorcerer or that He works miracles through the devil, this is the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. They cannot repent of this sin, thus they cannot be forgiven in this life or in the next. When a person confesses this sin, often in jest, thinking that it is funny, they do not show any signs of repentance, thus they cannot be granted absolution. My priest has spoken often about this in his sermons warning people to avoid this deadly sin and to avoid those who joke about Christ or take His Holy Name in vain.


    When I used to contribute to a Christian forum, which had a Catholic section, a man started a thread saying that he was quite certain that he had blasphemed against the Holy Spirit and he admitted to it. He asked for prayers as he was not able to repent, nor was he able to enter a church to go to confession. It was as if a strong invisible man prevented him from entering any church for the purpose of going to confession. Furthermore, he had nightly nightmares in which the devil was laughing at him and telling him that he was going to hell for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #12 on: June 01, 2018, 09:08:34 PM »
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  • [31] Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven. [32] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come. [33] Either make the tree good and its fruit good: or make the tree evil, and its fruit evil. For by the fruit the tree is known. [34] O generation of vipers, how can you speak good things, whereas you are evil? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. [35] A good man out of a good treasure bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of an evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
    [31] "The blasphemy of the Spirit": The sin here spoken of is that blasphemy, by which the Pharisees attributed the miracles of Christ, wrought by the Spirit of God, to Beelzebub the prince of devils. Now this kind of sin is usually accompanied with so much obstinacy, and such wilful opposing the Spirit of God, and the known truth, that men who are guilty of it, are seldom or never converted: and therefore are never forgiven, because they will not repent. Otherwise there is no sin, which God cannot or will not forgive to such as sincerely repent, and have recourse to the keys of the church.
    [32] "Nor in the world to come": From these words St. Augustine (De Civ. Dei, lib. 21, c. 13) and St. Gregory (Dialog., 4, c. 39) gather, that some sins may be remitted in the world to come; and, consequently, that there is a purgatory or a middle place.

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #13 on: June 01, 2018, 11:03:55 PM »
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  • [31] Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven. [32] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come. [33] Either make the tree good and its fruit good: or make the tree evil, and its fruit evil. For by the fruit the tree is known. [34] O generation of vipers, how can you speak good things, whereas you are evil? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. [35] A good man out of a good treasure bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of an evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
    [31] "The blasphemy of the Spirit": The sin here spoken of is that blasphemy, by which the Pharisees attributed the miracles of Christ, wrought by the Spirit of God, to Beelzebub the prince of devils. Now this kind of sin is usually accompanied with so much obstinacy, and such wilful opposing the Spirit of God, and the known truth, that men who are guilty of it, are seldom or never converted: and therefore are never forgiven, because they will not repent. Otherwise there is no sin, which God cannot or will not forgive to such as sincerely repent, and have recourse to the keys of the church.
    [32] "Nor in the world to come": From these words St. Augustine (De Civ. Dei, lib. 21, c. 13) and St. Gregory (Dialog., 4, c. 39) gather, that some sins may be remitted in the world to come; and, consequently, that there is a purgatory or a middle place.
    Thank you for providing this quote from St. Matthew 12. Reading this chapter in context, we can clearly see that Christ condemns these Pharisees who are committing the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
    [28] But if I by the Spirit of God cast out devils, then is the kingdom of God come upon you.
    The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit, thus the Pharisees are sinning against the Holy Spirit because it is through the Holy Spirit that Christ is casting out demons.
    http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47&ch=12&l=32-32&q=1#x
    [22] Then was offered to him one possessed with a devil, blind and dumb: and he healed him, so that he spoke and saw. [23] And all the multitudes were amazed, and said: Is not this the son of David? [24] But the Pharisees hearing it, said: This man casteth not out the devils but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. [25] And Jesus knowing their thoughts, said to them: Every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.
    [26] And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself: how then shall his kingdom stand? [27] And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. [28] But if I by the Spirit of God cast out devils, then is the kingdom of God come upon you. [29] Or how can any one enter into the house of the strong, and rifle his goods, unless he first bind the strong? and then he will rifle his house. [30] He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth.
    [31] Therefore I say to you: Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but the blasphemy of the Spirit shall not be forgiven.

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    Re: Scared I committed the unforgivable sin
    « Reply #14 on: June 02, 2018, 02:48:51 AM »
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  • I'm pleased that this quote helped. I don't know any other teaching except this one, but there could well be one elsewhere.

    It shows how reading the quote in context is so important.

     

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