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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on April 30, 2015, 02:49:48 PM
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Hello Cathinfo I thought I should bring something to your attention. As you may know there is a particularly popular Catholic blogger who goes by SBYVL. He is always very astute and good defender of the faith. He also runs a Catholic forum known as the "Te Deum Forum". A former member of that forum contacted me today with some intersting info. This member was banned for multiple reasons none of which I approve of. Anyway he has given me the text of emails between him and the blogger. Most of these emails are not of particular importance just a back and forth exchange on why the former member should be reinstated. But a peculiar line is said by the blogger
"Why do you need my forum? The only thing you truly need is Faith in God to achieve salvation."
Curious words from a "Conservative Catholic" blogger. That sounds similar to the heresy of Sola Fide. But I'll leave you to judge. I was asked by this former member of the bloggers forum to bring this to your attention.
SBYVL responded:
Obviously, I do not affirm the Protestant heresy of salvation by faith alone. The anonymous user who posted this OP was the former TD member Jeffab1993, who was banned for a number of reasons in the last week.
The OP tweaked a word or two of my message to him that significantly altered the meaning of what I said. I will post screenshots of the emails once one of my moderators blacks out the OP's email address for me.
Moreover, I will also be posting screenshots of comments Jeff left on my blog, wherein he used a number of obscenities (although I will have these blacked out) directed at me.
It is shameful that Jeff has decided to do this, particularly as an anonymous poster rather than as a registered user, and in my opinion it shows he is void of a great deal of Catholic morals and scruples.
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You do not give nearly enough information.
We need to know who the poster was that got banned and why the poster was banned, who all was involved, what exactly was said that got him banned, how Sbyvl was feeling that day ie was he having a good day or was he having an off day etc.
C'mon man, cough up more info! :dancing-banana:
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You do not give nearly enough information.
We need to know who the poster was that got banned and why the poster was banned, who all was involved, what exactly was said that got him banned, how Sbyvl was feeling that day ie was he having a good day or was he having an off day etc.
C'mon man, cough up more info!
Apparently the User was banned for causing inter forum strife between the Te Deum forum and a forum called Suscipe Domine. He hasn't given me much beyond that out of fear his personal info will "leak". Though I have sent him and email pressing for more information
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Interpersonal comments between laypersons does not rise to the level of heresy. The comment may seem a little watered down and bare but it's likely that the poster didn't mean that ALL you really need is faith in God. However, with everything else, but no faith in God, your souls would be in danger.
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Interpersonal comments between laypersons does not rise to the level of heresy. The comment may seem a little watered down and bare but it's likely that the poster didn't mean that ALL you really need is faith in God. However, with everything else, but no faith in God, your souls would be in danger.
I agree and will tell the user this. And ask for the full text of the emails between he and the blogger
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He has given me other parts of the exchange
The User said:
"Because (REDACTED) your forum has helped me grow in faith, and inspired me to do good works. Without it I would probably be astray"
Sbyvl replied:
"Why do you need my forum? The only thing you truly need is Faith in God to achieve salvation."
The user than said:
"That borders on heresy (REDACTED), that enters the realm of heresy."
Sbyvl then said:
"Why is it heresy? You can only achieve salvation through faith alone, the only flaw the church ever had was denying this."
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Sbyvl sounds like Luther - are you sure Sbyvl was not just mocking the poster who got himself banned? - because that's what it sounds like.
I mean isn't Sbvyl, perhaps the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful Catholic human being living? What he is purported to have said just does not sound like it is something he would ever say, not at all.
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Sbyvl sounds like Luther - are you sure Sbyvl was not just mocking the poster who got himself banned? - because that's what it sounds like.
I mean isn't Sbvyl, perhaps the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful Catholic human being living? What he is purported to have said just does not sound like it is something he would ever say, not at all.
I'm just relaying what the user said
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Apparently the User was banned for causing inter forum strife between the Te Deum forum and a forum called Suscipe Domine. He hasn't given me much beyond that out of fear his personal info will "leak". Though I have sent him and email pressing for more information
Hmmm. Smear jobs happening in cross forum posts - not good. Next thing you know the whole world will know about this - again, not good.
But it's not fair to say one person's name and not the other, and if there are any posts you could link to that would be a very big help, and also we must have the name of the other poster - it is not right to know only Sbyvl's name and not the other guy.
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Apparently the User was banned for causing inter forum strife between the Te Deum forum and a forum called Suscipe Domine. He hasn't given me much beyond that out of fear his personal info will "leak". Though I have sent him and email pressing for more information
Hmmm. Smear jobs happening in cross forum posts - not good. Next thing you know the whole world will know about this - again, not good.
But it's not fair to say one person's name and not the other, and if there are any posts you could link to that would be a very big help, and also we must have the name of the other poster - it is not right to know only Sbyvl's name and not the other guy.
The user said his name was Feodor
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OP, you are a coward. This is not the way to address an issue such as this.
Address Sbyvl directly.
No need for anonymity.
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OP, you are a coward. This is not the way to address an issue such as this.
Address Sbyvl directly.
No need for anonymity.
I'm not the user. I'm someone the user asked to put this information out.
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OP, you are a coward. This is not the way to address an issue such as this.
Address Sbyvl directly.
No need for anonymity.
Couldn't agree more. I loathe the abuse of the anonymous subforum by skulking, limp-wristed cowards whose only desire is to say what they wish with no repercussions to themselves whatsoever.
Accusations made by anonymous cowards in the absence of the accused aren't worth the paper they're (virtually) printed on. This thread is a catty, gossipy, effeminate disgrace that I'd say belongs in a henhouse if that weren't such insult to the hens.
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OP, you are a coward. This is not the way to address an issue such as this.
Address Sbyvl directly.
No need for anonymity.
Couldn't agree more. I loathe the abuse of the anonymous subforum by skulking, limp-wristed cowards whose only desire is to say what they wish with no repercussions to themselves whatsoever.
Accusations made by anonymous cowards in the absence of the accused aren't worth the paper they're (virtually) printed on. This thread is a catty, gossipy, effeminate disgrace that I'd say belongs in a henhouse if that weren't such insult to the hens.
I'm not a coward,frankly I could care less about the bloggers actions. I was asked to do this by the user which I did
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......I mean isn't Sbvyl, perhaps the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful Catholic human being living?
:whistleblower:
:facepalm:
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Nothing like stirring up crap unnecessarily.
Is the OP aware that Sbyvl actually has an account here? How about he ask him to respond directly to your accusation?
These attempts to create dustups get tiresome.
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Nothing like stirring up crap unnecessarily.
Is the OP aware that Sbyvl actually has an account here? How about he ask him to respond directly to your accusation?
These attempts to create dustups get tiresome.
Then let him speak and the users words can be checked
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Obviously, I do not affirm the Protestant heresy of salvation by faith alone. The anonymous user who posted this OP was the former TD member Jeffab1993, who was banned for a number of reasons in the last week.
The OP tweaked a word or two of my message to him that significantly altered the meaning of what I said. I will post screenshots of the emails once one of my moderators blacks out the OP's email address for me.
Moreover, I will also be posting screenshots of comments Jeff left on my blog, wherein he used a number of obscenities (although I will have these blacked out) directed at me.
It is shameful that Jeff has decided to do this, particularly as an anonymous poster rather than as a registered user, and in my opinion it shows he is void of a great deal of Catholic morals and scruples.
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Obviously, I do not affirm the Protestant heresy of salvation by faith alone. The anonymous user who posted this OP was the former TD member Jeffab1993, who was banned for a number of reasons in the last week.
The OP tweaked a word or two of my message to him that significantly altered the meaning of what I said. I will post screenshots of the emails once one of my moderators blacks out the OP's email address for me.
Moreover, I will also be posting screenshots of comments Jeff left on my blog, wherein he used a number of obscenities (although I will have these blacked out) directed at me.
It is shameful that Jeff has decided to do this, particularly as an anonymous poster rather than as a registered user, and in my opinion it shows he is void of a great deal of Catholic morals and scruples.
Sorry sir I didn't know he did that forgive me for posting this I was not aware he did that
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Obviously, I do not affirm the Protestant heresy of salvation by faith alone. The anonymous user who posted this OP was the former TD member Jeffab1993, who was banned for a number of reasons in the last week.
The OP tweaked a word or two of my message to him that significantly altered the meaning of what I said. I will post screenshots of the emails once one of my moderators blacks out the OP's email address for me.
Moreover, I will also be posting screenshots of comments Jeff left on my blog, wherein he used a number of obscenities (although I will have these blacked out) directed at me.
It is shameful that Jeff has decided to do this, particularly as an anonymous poster rather than as a registered user, and in my opinion it shows he is void of a great deal of Catholic morals and scruples.
Sorry sir I didn't know he did that forgive me for posting this I was not aware he did that
Grow up and stop lying, Jeff. Anybody here who reads TD regularly is familiar with your writing style.
For everyone else, here are the email exchanges.
http://i.imgur.com/OFzWBzE.png
One will notice that what the OP presented as the texts of the email exchanges were nothing of the kind. This is classic calumny. Jeff, you need to seek professional help, but first you need to go to confession. What you have done is a very grave matter. You as a Catholic should be ashamed of yourself.
And here are the comments he left on my blog:
http://i.imgur.com/493JJfE.png
http://i.imgur.com/LHHueG6.png
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Obviously, I do not affirm the Protestant heresy of salvation by faith alone. The anonymous user who posted this OP was the former TD member Jeffab1993, who was banned for a number of reasons in the last week.
The OP tweaked a word or two of my message to him that significantly altered the meaning of what I said. I will post screenshots of the emails once one of my moderators blacks out the OP's email address for me.
Moreover, I will also be posting screenshots of comments Jeff left on my blog, wherein he used a number of obscenities (although I will have these blacked out) directed at me.
It is shameful that Jeff has decided to do this, particularly as an anonymous poster rather than as a registered user, and in my opinion it shows he is void of a great deal of Catholic morals and scruples.
Sorry sir I didn't know he did that forgive me for posting this I was not aware he did that
Grow up and stop lying, Jeff. Anybody here who reads TD regularly is familiar with your writing style.
For everyone else, here are the email exchanges.
http://i.imgur.com/OFzWBzE.png
One will notice that what the OP presented as the texts of the email exchanges were nothing of the kind. This is classic calumny. Jeff, you need to seek professional help, but first you need to go to confession. What you have done is a very grave matter. You as a Catholic should be ashamed of yourself.
And here are the comments he left on my blog:
http://i.imgur.com/493JJfE.png
http://i.imgur.com/LHHueG6.png
I'll send him this
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Here is the screenshot of an email he sent me after posting the OP:
http://i.imgur.com/bpFnWEo.png
And although he claims his friend wrote it, the egregious writing style of the OP gives him away as having posted it himself.
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Here is the screenshot of an email he sent me after posting the OP:
http://i.imgur.com/bpFnWEo.png
And although he claims his friend wrote it, the egregious writing style of the OP gives him away as having posted it himself.
That's disturbing
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I wrote to you some time ago, Sbyvl, when I suspected that Jeff was the person trolling SD, to suggest that you investigate him. You refused to do it. Instead you accused SD members - on your blog and on your forum - of writing those posts in order to make your forum look bad. You called it a "fαℓѕє fℓαg operation".
At this point it is pretty obvious that I was right about it being Jeff. You have not retracted your false accusations against me and other SD members, apologized, or in any way acknowledged that you wronged us. I was trying to help you and you published my private emails to you, twisting everything I said and attacking me.
When I saw the OP of this thread, I was preparing to write in your defense because I was sure that you were innocent of charges of heresy. However, when I saw your posts complaining about calumnies against you, I was struck by the irony.
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Not another one of Jayne's smear campaigns....
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Let's get this straight - Sbyvl is the one who has conducted a smear campaign against me, using his forum and his blog.
I did not write the OP of this thread or any of posts other than the ones which have my name on it.
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Poor Jayne, woe is her.
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i wonder how much Bibi sends her every week to keep an eye on us trad catholic peons...
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You just, casually, came out of the woodwork to piggyback off of this calumnious thread to continue the slander.
Oh, did I say piggy? It's not kosher, is it?
Shoo, shoo, go away..
:incense:
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I am a member of this forum in good standing. I check it around once a day unless I am following a particular thread. I post occasionally, on a variety of topics.
What slander do you think that I have made?
(This is Jayne writing. I forgot to check the "not anonymous" box.)
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I wrote to you some time ago, Sbyvl, when I suspected that Jeff was the person trolling SD, to suggest that you investigate him. You refused to do it. Instead you accused SD members - on your blog and on your forum - of writing those posts in order to make your forum look bad. You called it a "fαℓѕє fℓαg operation".
At this point it is pretty obvious that I was right about it being Jeff. You have not retracted your false accusations against me and other SD members, apologized, or in any way acknowledged that you wronged us. I was trying to help you and you published my private emails to you, twisting everything I said and attacking me.
When I saw the OP of this thread, I was preparing to write in your defense because I was sure that you were innocent of charges of heresy. However, when I saw your posts complaining about calumnies against you, I was struck by the irony.
Jeff being a liar does not somehow mitigate the fact that you and Kaesekopf are liars as well.
Several months ago, when I was conducting the investigation of the Zostrianos affair, I initially asked Kasekopf for assistance. His conduct during the investigation, and my reasons for ceasing communication with him, are public knowledge now. My position is the same now as it was before. Kaesekopf lied when he told me he would remove the calumnies posted about me in September. I told him quite clearly that I had no reason to believe he would follow through with his promises about the Zostrianos investigation until he followed through on the last round of promises. When I did not hear back, I posted the information publicly, to prevent myself from being smeared again.
Moreover, neither you nor Kaesekopf have attempted to dissuade me, either by word or action, of the possibility of a fαℓѕє fℓαg, and I am far from being alone in believing the Zostrianos posts were, for lack of a better term, "inside jobs". Further, Kaesekopf has certainly. Not "retracted, apologized, or acknowledged" that he wronged me, when there is boatloads of evidence that he did. All we have to suggest I wronged you is your conjecture.
For those who think this was paranoid, please read my blog post "The various scandals at Suscipe Domine" on my blog. Sbyvl.wordpress.com
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I am a member of this forum in good standing. I check it around once a day unless I am following a particular thread. I post occasionally, on a variety of topics.
What slander do you think that I have made?
(This is Jayne writing. I forgot to check the "not anonymous" box.)
I'll help you out, Jayne. Falsely accusing another of calumny can in itself be considered a calumny.
(I wrote this.
-Sbyvl)
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no don't try to use logic and reason, the jews are masters of evading those goy tactics
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Let's get this straight - Sbyvl is the one who has conducted a smear campaign against me, using his forum and his blog.
I did not write the OP of this thread or any of posts other than the ones which have my name on it.
Yep, it's not as if I have been regularly attacked on Suscipe Domine's in the last eight months, or anything.
(I wrote this, by the way.
-Sbyvl)
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I wrote the previous anonymous post, but forgot to hit the "Do not post this anonymously" button.
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Jeff being a liar does not mitigate the fact that you and Kaesekopf are liars as well.
Several months ago, when I was conducting the investigation of the Zostrianos affair, I initially asked Kasekopf for assistance. His conduct during the investigation, and my reasons for ceasing communication with him, are public knowledge now. My position is the same now as it was before. Kaesekopf lied when he told me he would remove the calumnies posted about me in September. I told him quite clearly that I had no reason to believe he would follow through with his promises about the Zostrianos investigation until he followed through on the last round of promises. When I did not hear back, I posted the information publicly, to prevent myself from being smeared again.
Moreover, neither you nor Kaesekopf have attempted to dissuade me of the possibility of a fαℓѕє fℓαg, and I am far from being alone in believing the Zostrianos posts were, for lack of a better term, "inside jobs". Further, Kaesekopf has certainly. Not "retracted, apologized, or acknowledged" that he wronged me, when there is boatloads of evidence that he did. All we have to suggest I wronged you is your conjecture.
For those who think this was paranoid, please read my blog post "The various scandals at Suscipe Domine" on my blog. Sbyvl.wordpress.com
When someone pretending to be Zostrianos posted on SD, I wrote to you suggesting that you cooperate with Kaesekopf to investigate Jeff. You asked me to contact KK for you. Of course, he assumed that meant you found me acceptable as a middle man and wrote back with suggestions of next steps in the investigation.
The next thing I know, you have posted our email exchange on your blog, complaining that KK's suggestion of me as a middle man showed that he was not acting in good faith and accusing us of a "fαℓѕє fℓαg operation". You claimed that we were trolling our own forum in order to make your forum look bad. Are you seriously still claiming that when you know that Jeff is a troll and a liar?
You posted my private information on your forum. KK was clearly shocked by this and therefore banned you from SD. He posted his explanation of why he banned you. There were no lies and no calumnies. It seems rather silly to describe these petty inter-forum disagreements as "scandals".
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Sbyvl, do the right thing. Give this woman thirty pieces of silver, make a donation to the State of Israel, and stay off the Internet. It's serious business, don't you know. :detective:
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Let's get this straight - Sbyvl is the one who has conducted a smear campaign against me, using his forum and his blog.
I did not write the OP of this thread or any of posts other than the ones which have my name on it.
Yep, it's not as if I have been regularly attacked on Suscipe Domine's in the last eight months, or anything.
(I wrote this, by the way.
-Sbyvl)
Was I the one attacking you?
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Knock knock.
Who's there?
Jew.
Jew who?
Jew ain't seen nothin yet.
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Bottom line: Jayne good, Sbyvl bad, and you aren't using your thinking cap if you beg to differ.
Resistance is futile, assimilation is inevitable. :fryingpan:
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I am a Catholic and I attend the TLM almost exclusively. I renounced the Judaism of my family many years ago. I believe all that the Catholic Church proposes for belief. These accusations that I am a crypto-Jew are part of the smear campaign against me conducted on Sbyvl's forum. It is sad to see it carried over onto this one.
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Jeff being a liar does not mitigate the fact that you and Kaesekopf are liars as well.
Several months ago, when I was conducting the investigation of the Zostrianos affair, I initially asked Kasekopf for assistance. His conduct during the investigation, and my reasons for ceasing communication with him, are public knowledge now. My position is the same now as it was before. Kaesekopf lied when he told me he would remove the calumnies posted about me in September. I told him quite clearly that I had no reason to believe he would follow through with his promises about the Zostrianos investigation until he followed through on the last round of promises. When I did not hear back, I posted the information publicly, to prevent myself from being smeared again.
Moreover, neither you nor Kaesekopf have attempted to dissuade me of the possibility of a fαℓѕє fℓαg, and I am far from being alone in believing the Zostrianos posts were, for lack of a better term, "inside jobs". Further, Kaesekopf has certainly. Not "retracted, apologized, or acknowledged" that he wronged me, when there is boatloads of evidence that he did. All we have to suggest I wronged you is your conjecture.
For those who think this was paranoid, please read my blog post "The various scandals at Suscipe Domine" on my blog. Sbyvl.wordpress.com
When someone pretending to be Zostrianos posted on SD, I wrote to you suggesting that you cooperate with Kaesekopf to investigate Jeff. You asked me to contact KK for you. Of course, he assumed that meant you found me acceptable as a middle man and wrote back with suggestions of next steps in the investigation.
The next thing I know, you have posted our email exchange on your blog, complaining that KK's suggestion of me as a middle man showed that he was not acting in good faith and accusing us of a "fαℓѕє fℓαg operation". You claimed that we were trolling our own forum in order to make your forum look bad. Are you seriously still claiming that when you know that Jeff is a troll and a liar?
You posted my private information on your forum. KK was clearly shocked by this and therefore banned you from SD. He posted his explanation of why he banned you. There were no lies and no calumnies. It seems rather silly to describe these petty inter-forum disagreements as "scandals".
Wow, so much for "I am going to stop causing trouble".
Your entire chronology of events with regards to the Zostrianos affair is completely incorrect, and anybody who is interested can read the post on my blog.
The same goes for posting your "personal information". You have yourself admitted on Laramie Hirsch's blog that this is not what happened.
So once again, Jayne, you have proven yourself to be deceitful. Every time you cause trouble, you issue a phony apology, and then continue doing precisely the same thing a few months down the line.
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I am a Catholic and I attend the TLM almost exclusively. I renounced the Judaism of my family many years ago. I believe all that the Catholic Church proposes for belief. These accusations that I am a crypto-Jew are part of the smear campaign against me conducted on Sbyvl's forum. It is sad to see it carried over onto this one.
Straight from the Jew's mouth. Or fingers? So it must be true.
Yes, there can't be any truth to the Jew stuff it one whit.
Nothing to see, move along.
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You seem to have a perpetual victim complex.
A jew with a perpetual victim complex?
Isn't that just a jew?
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Wow, so much for "I am going to stop causing trouble".
Your entire chronology of events with regards to the Zostrianos affair is completely incorrect, and anybody who is interested can read the post on my blog.
The same goes for posting your "personal information". You have yourself admitted on Laramie Hirsch's blog that this is not what happened.
So once again, Jayne, you have proven yourself to be deceitful. Every time you cause trouble, you issue a phony apology, and then continue doing precisely the same thing a few months down the line.
I did not expect it to cause trouble to point out that the exposure of Jeff as a troll and a liar clears me of the false charges you made against me. It is pretty clear now that he was the one trolling SD. It was not me pretending to be him in order to make your forum look bad. It has been established that he is an unstable person who does stuff like that.
You posted my personal information on your forum. That is an indisputable fact. There are screen shots. I have admitted that you probably did not do it maliciously. You were very new to running a forum when you did it and probably did not realize how seriously wrong it was. I forgave you and wish you would forgive me and move on.
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Say one thing, do another....
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The Association of Hebrew Catholics is composed of supposed “converts” from Judaism. They are attempting to create, in effect, a Jєωιѕн sect inside the “Catholic Church.” This organization is headed by David Moss, who has been featured on EWTN numerous times. David Moss is the brother of Rosalind Moss, who also has hosted shows on EWTN and is employed by “Catholic Answers.” This AHC – composed of supposed converts from Judaism – promotes that Catholics converted from Judaism may continue to practice the Old Law (an idea solemnly condemned by the Council of Florence).
“Ignoring the Church’s teaching that the rituals and observances of the Mosaic law have been abolished with the New Covenant and that it is mortally sinful to observe them, Moss recommended that the Catholic inquirer ‘go to a local ѕуηαgσgυє and watch what they do and listen to it. You can take part in a Seder,’ he added… Moss then recommended that Catholics follow suit [that is, follow the practice of ‘Messianic Jews’] by celebrating Passover and Rosh haShanah… This conclusion is supported by an item on AHC’s website entitled: ‘Through the Hebrew Catholic Year: A Collection of Traditions and Prayers for the Jєωιѕн Holidays for Catholics.’ Here AHC advocates a ‘Catholic’ celebration of Rosh haShanah, Yom Kippur, Succoth, Purim, Passover, Shavuoth, and Hanukkah, using prayers ‘adapted from traditional Jєωιѕн prayer books.’
This is a promotion of mortal sin, heresy and apostasy.
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Wow, so much for "I am going to stop causing trouble".
Your entire chronology of events with regards to the Zostrianos affair is completely incorrect, and anybody who is interested can read the post on my blog.
The same goes for posting your "personal information". You have yourself admitted on Laramie Hirsch's blog that this is not what happened.
So once again, Jayne, you have proven yourself to be deceitful. Every time you cause trouble, you issue a phony apology, and then continue doing precisely the same thing a few months down the line.
I did not expect it to cause trouble to point out that the exposure of Jeff as a troll and a liar clears me of the false charges you made against me. It is pretty clear now that he was the one trolling SD. It was not me pretending to be him in order to make your forum look bad. It has been established that he is an unstable person who does stuff like that. In any case, you seem way too certain of this. Are you and Jeff working together, by any chance?
You posted my personal information on your forum. That is an indisputable fact. There are screen shots. I have admitted that you probably did not do it maliciously. You were very new to running a forum when you did it and probably did not realize how seriously wrong it was. I forgave you and wish you would forgive me and move on.
Once again, you keep insisting that Jeff is the one behind the accounts, but you are making this accusation without any solid facts. We need more than simple conjecture.
Moreover, you seem way too certain that Jeff is behind this. One wonders if you and Jeff are working together.
Once again, I direct everyone to read the post on my blog. There is indeed reason to believe the screenshots were forged. Moreover, no information was posted that was private. In any case, I am done discussing this with you. It is clear you are using this thread to attack me, as you have done before.
Please, just leave us Traditional Catholics alone.
And seek some professional help, while you are at it.
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Wow, so much for "I am going to stop causing trouble".
Your entire chronology of events with regards to the Zostrianos affair is completely incorrect, and anybody who is interested can read the post on my blog.
The same goes for posting your "personal information". You have yourself admitted on Laramie Hirsch's blog that this is not what happened.
So once again, Jayne, you have proven yourself to be deceitful. Every time you cause trouble, you issue a phony apology, and then continue doing precisely the same thing a few months down the line.
I did not expect it to cause trouble to point out that the exposure of Jeff as a troll and a liar clears me of the false charges you made against me. It is pretty clear now that he was the one trolling SD. It was not me pretending to be him in order to make your forum look bad. It has been established that he is an unstable person who does stuff like that.
You posted my personal information on your forum. That is an indisputable fact. There are screen shots. I have admitted that you probably did not do it maliciously. You were very new to running a forum when you did it and probably did not realize how seriously wrong it was. I forgave you and wish you would forgive me and move on.
See, Sbyvl, it's all your fault.
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The Association of Hebrew Catholics (unlike the common error in the NO) "gets it right" that Jews must accept Jesus Christ in order to be saved. That is what I was talking about in that quote. When their erroneous positions on other issues were pointed out to me, I made clear that I do not support the organization. I was merely not aware of them when I posted.
(by JayneK)
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The Association of Hebrew Catholics (unlike the common error in the NO) "gets it right" that Jews must accept Jesus Christ in order to be saved. That is what I was talking about in that quote. When their erroneous positions on other issues were pointed out to me, I made clear that I do not support the organization. I was merely not aware of them when I posted.
So once somebody revealed the true nature of the org, you backtracked. But it was backtracking in only the most honest way.
Right.
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Spew your marrano venom elsewhere. Jeff, now you Jayne, are creating scandal and being calumnious towards real Catholics.
Desist. Leave now!
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Time for everyone's Favorite De-Rail Funnies!
How can you tell a Jєωιѕн convert is a false converso?
Look in their kitchen. If their oven looks like it has never been used, something's up.
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Wow, so much for "I am going to stop causing trouble".
Your entire chronology of events with regards to the Zostrianos affair is completely incorrect, and anybody who is interested can read the post on my blog.
The same goes for posting your "personal information". You have yourself admitted on Laramie Hirsch's blog that this is not what happened.
So once again, Jayne, you have proven yourself to be deceitful. Every time you cause trouble, you issue a phony apology, and then continue doing precisely the same thing a few months down the line.
I did not expect it to cause trouble to point out that the exposure of Jeff as a troll and a liar clears me of the false charges you made against me. It is pretty clear now that he was the one trolling SD. It was not me pretending to be him in order to make your forum look bad. It has been established that he is an unstable person who does stuff like that. In any case, you seem way too certain of this. Are you and Jeff working together, by any chance?
You posted my personal information on your forum. That is an indisputable fact. There are screen shots. I have admitted that you probably did not do it maliciously. You were very new to running a forum when you did it and probably did not realize how seriously wrong it was. I forgave you and wish you would forgive me and move on.
Once again, you keep insisting that Jeff is the one behind the accounts, but you are making this accusation without any solid facts. We need more than simple conjecture.
Moreover, you seem way too certain that Jeff is behind this. One wonders if you and Jeff are working together.
Once again, I direct everyone to read the post on my blog. There is indeed reason to believe the screenshots were forged. Moreover, no information was posted that was private. In any case, I am done discussing this with you. It is clear you are using this thread to attack me, as you have done before.
Please, just leave us Traditional Catholics alone.
And seek some professional help, while you are at it.
Words that I did not say have been inserted into your quote of my post. I have put them in bold.
The screenshots of you posting my private information were not forged. I saw the post myself and there are many witnesses. You posted my full name, my email address, the names of my children, a map of where I lived, etc. Are you actually denying that you did it?
As far as Jeff being the troll on SD, I suggested that you and KK work together in order to find out for sure if it were he. It is likely that combining your information would give the needed evidence. You chose not to do this. Apparently you prefer to accuse people of "fαℓѕє fℓαg operations" rather than search out the truth.
I had no intention of attacking you. I was only hoping for some acknowledgment from you that the exposure of Jeff means that you realize that I am not the person behind the "Zostrianos affair" as you call it. Wanting a person to withdraw a false accusation is not an attack.
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Once again, Sbyvl, it's all your fault.
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Get a grip, Jayne. We have better things to do then to talk about you on Te Deum. If one uses the search engine function on TD, one will find that you have not even been mentioned in four months.
The thread about the "Zostrianos affair" spanned the end of February and early March. I was accused of a "fαℓѕє fℓαg operation" in this thread. One of the moderators bragged about the forum being a "jaynefree zone". I was also referred to as a "maranno".
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I wrote to you some time ago, Sbyvl, when I suspected that Jeff was the person trolling SD, to suggest that you investigate him. You refused to do it. Instead you accused SD members - on your blog and on your forum - of writing those posts in order to make your forum look bad. You called it a "fαℓѕє fℓαg operation".
At this point it is pretty obvious that I was right about it being Jeff. You have not retracted your false accusations against me and other SD members, apologized, or in any way acknowledged that you wronged us. I was trying to help you and you published my private emails to you, twisting everything I said and attacking me.
When I saw the OP of this thread, I was preparing to write in your defense because I was sure that you were innocent of charges of heresy. However, when I saw your posts complaining about calumnies against you, I was struck by the irony.
Jayne shall I tell the whole story
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Wow, so much for "I am going to stop causing trouble".
Your entire chronology of events with regards to the Zostrianos affair is completely incorrect, and anybody who is interested can read the post on my blog.
The same goes for posting your "personal information". You have yourself admitted on Laramie Hirsch's blog that this is not what happened.
So once again, Jayne, you have proven yourself to be deceitful. Every time you cause trouble, you issue a phony apology, and then continue doing precisely the same thing a few months down the line.
I did not expect it to cause trouble to point out that the exposure of Jeff as a troll and a liar clears me of the false charges you made against me. It is pretty clear now that he was the one trolling SD. It was not me pretending to be him in order to make your forum look bad. It has been established that he is an unstable person who does stuff like that. In any case, you seem way too certain of this. Are you and Jeff working together, by any chance?
You posted my personal information on your forum. That is an indisputable fact. There are screen shots. I have admitted that you probably did not do it maliciously. You were very new to running a forum when you did it and probably did not realize how seriously wrong it was. I forgave you and wish you would forgive me and move on.
Once again, you keep insisting that Jeff is the one behind the accounts, but you are making this accusation without any solid facts. We need more than simple conjecture.
Moreover, you seem way too certain that Jeff is behind this. One wonders if you and Jeff are working together.
Once again, I direct everyone to read the post on my blog. There is indeed reason to believe the screenshots were forged. Moreover, no information was posted that was private. In any case, I am done discussing this with you. It is clear you are using this thread to attack me, as you have done before.
Please, just leave us Traditional Catholics alone.
And seek some professional help, while you are at it.
Words that I did not say have been inserted into your quote of my post. I have put them in bold.
The screenshots of you posting my private information were not forged. I saw the post myself and there are many witnesses. You posted my full name, my email address, the names of my children, a map of where I lived, etc. Are you actually denying that you did it?
As far as Jeff being the troll on SD, I suggested that you and KK work together in order to find out for sure if it were he. It is likely that combining your information would give the needed evidence. You chose not to do this. Apparently you prefer to accuse people of "fαℓѕє fℓαg operations" rather than search out the truth.
I had no intention of attacking you. I was only hoping for some acknowledgment from you that the exposure of Jeff means that you realize that I am not the person behind the "Zostrianos affair" as you call it. Wanting a person to withdraw a false accusation is not an attack.
I meant to place the bolded text in my post, not yours.
All I can say is read my blog post. A quotation of TD's rules posted on SD showed the insertion of a mythical rule that was not posted on TD. Therefore, I would not think it too much of a stretch to believe information was added, and moreover certain sections of the post I allegedly made I do not recall reading in any place other than SD.
You are a very deceitful woman. I have already refuted all of your accusations regarding the 'private information', which I gave you a chance to respond to before publishing the blog post.
And again you turn to the Zostrianos affair, which I already had my response to. Until Kaesekopf shows himself to be trustworthy, I have no reason to retract anything I said. Both of you are proven liars.
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Jayne shall I tell the whole story
If you are Jeff, I suppose you could confess to all the lies you told, but I doubt that anyone would believe you. Anyhow that is not the whole story.
Since you were posting the nonsense about Sbyvl being a heretic, I am not interested in support from you.
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Tel Aviv.
*Brrrring. Brrrrring.*
Israeli official: "Ello. Death to Anti-Semitism. How can I help you?"
JayneK: "Yes, Hello. This is Agent Bookworm-22. I need to speak with Bibi. Put me through immediately."
*Brrrrring. Brrrrring.*
Netanyahu: "Ello. Death to the Palestinians. How can I help you?"
JayneK: "Hello, Bibi? The accusation of heresy didn't work. They are on to us."
Netanyahu: "[Expletive]. Have you found anything else we could use against Sbvyl?"
JayneK: "Not yet, but I'll keep looking. In the meantime, I think I can get away with repeating the 'personal information' routine a few more times, wouldn't you agree!?"
Netanyahu: "Yes, very well, then. Keep up the good work!"
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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All I can say is read my blog post. A quotation of TD's rules posted on SD showed the insertion of a mythical rule that was not posted on TD. Therefore, I would not think it too much of a stretch to believe certain information was added, and certain sections of the post I allegedly made I do not recall reading in any place other than SD.
You are a very deceitful woman. I have already refuted all of your accusations regarding the 'private information', which I gave you a chance to respond to before publishing the blog post.
And again you turn to the Zostrianos affair, which I already had my response to. Until Kaesekopf shows himself to be trustworthy, I have no reason to retract anything I said. Both of you are proven liars.
I have been reading Kaeskopf's posts for years, as well as having some private correspondence. In my experience, he is a completely honourable and trustworthy man. I reject any explanations that involve assuming that he is a liar.
I did not respond to your blog post when offered the opportunity because I was hoping that people would stop talking about the subject. I knew that giving my side of the story would just prolong the discussion. I wish that I had not said anything now. Somehow, I thought that the exposure of Jeff would change things. But it didn't.
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Jayne shall I tell the whole story
If you are Jeff, I suppose you could confess to all the lies you told, but I doubt that anyone would believe you. Anyhow that is not the whole story.
Since you were posting the nonsense about Sbyvl being a heretic, I am not interested in support from you.
But it helps clear your name and explains everything
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Jayne shall I tell the whole story
If you are Jeff, I suppose you could confess to all the lies you told, but I doubt that anyone would believe you. Anyhow that is not the whole story.
Since you were posting the nonsense about Sbyvl being a heretic, I am not interested in support from you.
But it helps clear your name and explains everything
Wow, Jeff is trying to clear Jayne's name?
What are the odds, Gilligan?
Hey Jeff, tell Bibi that we are smarter than he thinks we are.
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Jayne shall I tell the whole story
If you are Jeff, I suppose you could confess to all the lies you told, but I doubt that anyone would believe you. Anyhow that is not the whole story.
Since you were posting the nonsense about Sbyvl being a heretic, I am not interested in support from you.
But it helps clear your name and explains everything
I have no control over what you post. But I want no help from a person who would accuse Sbyvl of being a heretic. That was ridiculous and dishonest.
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Jayne shall I tell the whole story
If you are Jeff, I suppose you could confess to all the lies you told, but I doubt that anyone would believe you. Anyhow that is not the whole story.
Since you were posting the nonsense about Sbyvl being a heretic, I am not interested in support from you.
But it helps clear your name and explains everything
I have no control over what you post. But I want no help from a person who would accuse Sbyvl of being a heretic. That was ridiculous and dishonest.
Translation: "You inexperienced fool! You must learn to be discreet. If Bibi finds out these αnтι-ѕємιтєs know we are working together, it will be the end of both of us!"
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Jayne shall I tell the whole story
If you are Jeff, I suppose you could confess to all the lies you told, but I doubt that anyone would believe you. Anyhow that is not the whole story.
Since you were posting the nonsense about Sbyvl being a heretic, I am not interested in support from you.
But it helps clear your name and explains everything
I have no control over what you post. But I want no help from a person who would accuse Sbyvl of being a heretic. That was ridiculous and dishonest.
You're getting it anyway.
In September after you were banned SBYVL PMed me on TD and asked me to troll sd as an act of revenge. I did that and he was happy as he used it as an opportunity to smear you. Then in February he asked me to do it again which I did. Last Sunday I felt overwhelming guilt and deleted my TD account. And I tried to get back on though I was banned. I admit I sent those emails though I did while heavily intoxicated (I'm fixing that). I had PMs as proof though I stupidly did not save them. What I did was wrong I have confessed about it and am seeking help for my alcoholism which influenced all of this. I hope this cleared everything up. I'm so sorry for any pain I caused you. And if it's any consolation I believe you are an outstanding Catholic and I hope I can somehow be more holy like you
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Hey OP, instead of gossiping about other people's alleged faults or alleged heresy, why don't you spend your time in prayer or service to somebody in need?
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Hey OP, instead of gossiping about other people's alleged faults or alleged heresy, why don't you spend your time in prayer or service to somebody in need?
I'm doing that and more
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Jayne shall I tell the whole story
If you are Jeff, I suppose you could confess to all the lies you told, but I doubt that anyone would believe you. Anyhow that is not the whole story.
Since you were posting the nonsense about Sbyvl being a heretic, I am not interested in support from you.
But it helps clear your name and explains everything
I have no control over what you post. But I want no help from a person who would accuse Sbyvl of being a heretic. That was ridiculous and dishonest.
You're getting it anyway.
In September after you were banned SBYVL PMed me on TD and asked me to troll sd as an act of revenge. I did that and he was happy as he used it as an opportunity to smear you. Then in February he asked me to do it again which I did. Last Sunday I felt overwhelming guilt and deleted my TD account. And I tried to get back on though I was banned. I admit I sent those emails though I did while heavily intoxicated (I'm fixing that). I had PMs as proof though I stupidly did not save them. What I did was wrong I have confessed about it and am seeking help for my alcoholism which influenced all of this. I hope this cleared everything up. I'm so sorry for any pain I caused you. And if it's any consolation I believe you are an outstanding Catholic and I hope I can somehow be more holy like you
And if you believe that, folks, I have bridge to sell you!
On my first post in this thread, I provided screenshots of Jeff's emails to me, which demonstrate his true intentions.
Hey Jeff, I don't suppose you have in your possession screenshots of those PM's? I for one would sure like to see them!
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Jayne shall I tell the whole story
If you are Jeff, I suppose you could confess to all the lies you told, but I doubt that anyone would believe you. Anyhow that is not the whole story.
Since you were posting the nonsense about Sbyvl being a heretic, I am not interested in support from you.
But it helps clear your name and explains everything
I have no control over what you post. But I want no help from a person who would accuse Sbyvl of being a heretic. That was ridiculous and dishonest.
You're getting it anyway.
In September after you were banned SBYVL PMed me on TD and asked me to troll sd as an act of revenge. I did that and he was happy as he used it as an opportunity to smear you. Then in February he asked me to do it again which I did. Last Sunday I felt overwhelming guilt and deleted my TD account. And I tried to get back on though I was banned. I admit I sent those emails though I did while heavily intoxicated (I'm fixing that). I had PMs as proof though I stupidly did not save them. What I did was wrong I have confessed about it and am seeking help for my alcoholism which influenced all of this. I hope this cleared everything up. I'm so sorry for any pain I caused you. And if it's any consolation I believe you are an outstanding Catholic and I hope I can somehow be more holy like you
And if you believe that, folks, I have bridge to sell you!
On my first post in this thread, I provided screenshots of Jeff's emails to me, which demonstrate his true intentions.
Hey Jeff, I don't suppose you have a screenshot of those PM's? I'd sure like to see them!
Read the post Daniel
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Obviously, I do not affirm the Protestant heresy of salvation by faith alone. The anonymous user who posted this OP was the former TD member Jeffab1993, who was banned for a number of reasons in the last week.
The OP tweaked a word or two of my message to him that significantly altered the meaning of what I said. I will post screenshots of the emails once one of my moderators blacks out the OP's email address for me.
Moreover, I will also be posting screenshots of comments Jeff left on my blog, wherein he used a number of obscenities (although I will have these blacked out) directed at me.
It is shameful that Jeff has decided to do this, particularly as an anonymous poster rather than as a registered user, and in my opinion it shows he is void of a great deal of Catholic morals and scruples.
Sorry sir I didn't know he did that forgive me for posting this I was not aware he did that
Grow up and stop lying, Jeff. Anybody here who reads TD regularly is familiar with your writing style.
For everyone else, here are the email exchanges.
http://i.imgur.com/OFzWBzE.png
One will notice that what the OP presented as the texts of the email exchanges were nothing of the kind. This is classic calumny. Jeff, you need to seek professional help, but first you need to go to confession. What you have done is a very grave matter. You as a Catholic should be ashamed of yourself.
And here are the comments he left on my blog:
http://i.imgur.com/493JJfE.png
http://i.imgur.com/LHHueG6.png
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Just in case anybody needs a memory-refresher:
Obviously, I do not affirm the Protestant heresy of salvation by faith alone. The anonymous user who posted this OP was the former TD member Jeffab1993, who was banned for a number of reasons in the last week.
The OP tweaked a word or two of my message to him that significantly altered the meaning of what I said. I will post screenshots of the emails once one of my moderators blacks out the OP's email address for me.
Moreover, I will also be posting screenshots of comments Jeff left on my blog, wherein he used a number of obscenities (although I will have these blacked out) directed at me.
It is shameful that Jeff has decided to do this, particularly as an anonymous poster rather than as a registered user, and in my opinion it shows he is void of a great deal of Catholic morals and scruples.
Sorry sir I didn't know he did that forgive me for posting this I was not aware he did that
Grow up and stop lying, Jeff. Anybody here who reads TD regularly is familiar with your writing style.
For everyone else, here are the email exchanges.
http://i.imgur.com/OFzWBzE.png
One will notice that what the OP presented as the texts of the email exchanges were nothing of the kind. This is classic calumny. Jeff, you need to seek professional help, but first you need to go to confession. What you have done is a very grave matter. You as a Catholic should be ashamed of yourself.
And here are the comments he left on my blog:
http://i.imgur.com/493JJfE.png
http://i.imgur.com/LHHueG6.png
I'm not denying they exist I said also I wrote those whole intoxicated.
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I wonder if Jayne will object to my first and last name being published. As I have made neither
"known publicly", methinks that would qualify as "personal information".
How does one report a post to the moderator around here?
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I wonder if Jayne will object to my first and last name being published. As I have made neither k
"known publicly", methinks that would qualify as "personal information".
How does one report a post to the moderator around here?
I'm just returning what you did to Jayne
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Nobody cares
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In September after you were banned SBYVL PMed me on TD and asked me to troll sd as an act of revenge. I did that and he was happy as he used it as an opportunity to smear you. Then in February he asked me to do it again which I did. Last Sunday I felt overwhelming guilt and deleted my TD account. And I tried to get back on though I was banned. I admit I sent those emails though I did while heavily intoxicated (I'm fixing that). I had PMs as proof though I stupidly did not save them. What I did was wrong I have confessed about it and am seeking help for my alcoholism which influenced all of this. I hope this cleared everything up. I'm so sorry for any pain I caused you. And if it's any consolation I believe you are an outstanding Catholic and I hope I can somehow be more holy like you
I don't believe you. Sbyvl would not do that. I am neither a holy nor outstanding Catholic. I will pray for you.
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In September after you were banned SBYVL PMed me on TD and asked me to troll sd as an act of revenge. I did that and he was happy as he used it as an opportunity to smear you. Then in February he asked me to do it again which I did. Last Sunday I felt overwhelming guilt and deleted my TD account. And I tried to get back on though I was banned. I admit I sent those emails though I did while heavily intoxicated (I'm fixing that). I had PMs as proof though I stupidly did not save them. What I did was wrong I have confessed about it and am seeking help for my alcoholism which influenced all of this. I hope this cleared everything up. I'm so sorry for any pain I caused you. And if it's any consolation I believe you are an outstanding Catholic and I hope I can somehow be more holy like you
I don't believe you. Sbyvl would not do that. I am neither a holy nor outstanding Catholic. I will pray for you.
You may not believe it but it Happened
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Do jews really have nothing better to do than play out their closet drama on CI:?
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I wonder if Jayne will object to my first and last name being published. As I have made neither k
"known publicly", methinks that would qualify as "personal information".
How does one report a post to the moderator around here?
I'm just returning what you did to Jayne
Don't drag me into it. I do not want revenge.
For the record, I do object to you posting Sbyvl's name. It was wrong of you to do that.
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I wonder if Jayne will object to my first and last name being published. As I have made neither
"known publicly", methinks that would qualify as "personal information".
How does one report a post to the moderator around here?
Yes, I object. Send Matt an email.
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I am disgusted by seeing sbyvl's name and email posted like this. However, I expect Matthew to delete it as soon as he gets a chance, so I hope that few people will see it.
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I wonder if Jayne will object to my first and last name being published. As I have made neither
"known publicly", methinks that would qualify as "personal information".
How does one report a post to the moderator around here?
Yes, I object. Send Matt an email.
While I got you guys to agree on something! Job done bye
Goodbye, Jeff.
See you next week.
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I am disgusted by seeing sbyvl's name and email posted like this. However, I expect Matthew to delete it as soon as he gets a chance, so I hope that few people will see it.
Oh I've posted it other places
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I am disgusted by seeing sbyvl's name and email posted like this. However, I expect Matthew to delete it as soon as he gets a chance, so I hope that few people will see it.
Oh I've posted it other places
So much for "I will try to be as good a Catholic as you".
Gee, where have I seen this routine before?
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I am disgusted by seeing sbyvl's name and email posted like this. However, I expect Matthew to delete it as soon as he gets a chance, so I hope that few people will see it.
Oh I've posted it other places
So much for "I will try to be as good a Catholic as you".
Gee, where have I seen this routine before?
From yourself in those pms telling me to "get that Jew (expletive)"
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This reminds me a little of Godfather Part II. Senator Geary is lured into a Corleone owned brothel, gets set up for the murder of a lady of the night, only for the Corleone family's consigliere Tom Hagan to come out of nowhere and rescue him, assuring him the Corleone family will take care of it.
But sbyvl did something even worse than go to a brothel. He got on the wrong side of a juden.
:kick-can:
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Say one thing, do another....
(http://i42.tinypic.com/eplvrt.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/e8rb6v.jpg)
The Association of Hebrew Catholics is composed of supposed “converts” from Judaism. They are attempting to create, in effect, a Jєωιѕн sect inside the “Catholic Church.” This organization is headed by David Moss, who has been featured on EWTN numerous times. David Moss is the brother of Rosalind Moss, who also has hosted shows on EWTN and is employed by “Catholic Answers.” This AHC – composed of supposed converts from Judaism – promotes that Catholics converted from Judaism may continue to practice the Old Law (an idea solemnly condemned by the Council of Florence).
“Ignoring the Church’s teaching that the rituals and observances of the Mosaic law have been abolished with the New Covenant and that it is mortally sinful to observe them, Moss recommended that the Catholic inquirer ‘go to a local ѕуηαgσgυє and watch what they do and listen to it. You can take part in a Seder,’ he added… Moss then recommended that Catholics follow suit [that is, follow the practice of ‘Messianic Jews’] by celebrating Passover and Rosh haShanah… This conclusion is supported by an item on AHC’s website entitled: ‘Through the Hebrew Catholic Year: A Collection of Traditions and Prayers for the Jєωιѕн Holidays for Catholics.’ Here AHC advocates a ‘Catholic’ celebration of Rosh haShanah, Yom Kippur, Succoth, Purim, Passover, Shavuoth, and Hanukkah, using prayers ‘adapted from traditional Jєωιѕн prayer books.’
This is a promotion of mortal sin, heresy and apostasy.
The Association of Hebrew Catholics (unlike the common error in the NO) "gets it right" that Jews must accept Jesus Christ in order to be saved. That is what I was talking about in that quote. When their erroneous positions on other issues were pointed out to me, I made clear that I do not support the organization. I was merely not aware of them when I posted.
(by JayneK)
So once somebody revealed the true nature of the org, you backtracked. But it was backtracking in only the most honest way.
Right.
:farmer:
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Jayne and Truth go together like oil and water.
Don't tell me you weren't thinking it, too.
But Jayne and Truth THE CI MEMBER on the other hand.
On the forum they try to seem like this
:pop:
When anyone with eyes enough to read between the li[n]es can see they sound more like this
:cheers:
:alcohol:
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x131q2_rammstein-mann-gegen-mann_music
This threads theme
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Jayne and Truth go together like oil and water.
Don't tell me you weren't thinking it, too.
But Jayne and Truth THE CI MEMBER on the other hand.
On the forum they try to seem like this
:pop:
When anyone with eyes enough to read between the li[n]es can see they sound more like this
:cheers:
:alcohol:
Can't agree more
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people, this is textbook Jєωιѕн misdirection. ever read the protocols? a lot of people say they don't make sense, but that's kind of the point.
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Y'all know what I'm done
I'm gonna make my own forum with black jack and hookers! In fact forget the forum
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I wonder if Jayne will object to my first and last name being published. As I have made neither
"known publicly", methinks that would qualify as "personal information".
How does one report a post to the moderator around here?
Yes, I object. Send Matt an email.
Oops. I meant send a PM.
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Y'all know what I'm done
I'm gonna make my own forum with black jack and hookers! In fact forget the forum
Jeff, go home. You are drunk.
But do not drive.
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Y'all know what I'm done
I'm gonna make my own forum with black jack and hookers! In fact forget the forum
Jeff, go home. You are drunk.
I smiled reading that
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What was the old saying about trolls and feeding them...
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lol. Thank you, Matthew, for the language filter!
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lol. Thank you, Matthew, for the language filter!
No that was me self consoring :dancing-banana:
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Say one thing, do another....
(http://i42.tinypic.com/eplvrt.jpg)
(http://i44.tinypic.com/e8rb6v.jpg)
The Association of Hebrew Catholics is composed of supposed “converts” from Judaism. They are attempting to create, in effect, a Jєωιѕн sect inside the “Catholic Church.” This organization is headed by David Moss, who has been featured on EWTN numerous times. David Moss is the brother of Rosalind Moss, who also has hosted shows on EWTN and is employed by “Catholic Answers.” This AHC – composed of supposed converts from Judaism – promotes that Catholics converted from Judaism may continue to practice the Old Law (an idea solemnly condemned by the Council of Florence).
“Ignoring the Church’s teaching that the rituals and observances of the Mosaic law have been abolished with the New Covenant and that it is mortally sinful to observe them, Moss recommended that the Catholic inquirer ‘go to a local ѕуηαgσgυє and watch what they do and listen to it. You can take part in a Seder,’ he added… Moss then recommended that Catholics follow suit [that is, follow the practice of ‘Messianic Jews’] by celebrating Passover and Rosh haShanah… This conclusion is supported by an item on AHC’s website entitled: ‘Through the Hebrew Catholic Year: A Collection of Traditions and Prayers for the Jєωιѕн Holidays for Catholics.’ Here AHC advocates a ‘Catholic’ celebration of Rosh haShanah, Yom Kippur, Succoth, Purim, Passover, Shavuoth, and Hanukkah, using prayers ‘adapted from traditional Jєωιѕн prayer books.’
This is a promotion of mortal sin, heresy and apostasy.
The Association of Hebrew Catholics (unlike the common error in the NO) "gets it right" that Jews must accept Jesus Christ in order to be saved. That is what I was talking about in that quote. When their erroneous positions on other issues were pointed out to me, I made clear that I do not support the organization. I was merely not aware of them when I posted.
(by JayneK)
So once somebody revealed the true nature of the org, you backtracked. But it was backtracking in only the most honest way.
Right.
:farmer:
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There lived a certain man in Russia long ago.
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There lived a certain man in Russia long ago
He was big and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow
Most people looked at him with terror and with fear
But to Moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear
He could preach the bible like a preacher
Full of ecstacy and fire
But he also was the kind of teacher
Women would desire
RA RA RASPUTIN
Lover of the Russian queen
There was a cat that really was gone
RA RA RASPUTIN
Russia's greatest love machine
It was a shame how he carried on
He ruled the Russian land and never mind the Czar
But the kasachok he danced really wunderbar
In all affairs of state he was the man to please
But he was real great when he had a girl to squeeze
For the queen he was no wheeler dealer
Though she'd heard the things he'd done
She believed he was a holy healer
Who would heal her son
RA RA RASPUTIN
Lover of the Russian queen
There was a cat that really was gone
RA RA RASPUTIN
Russia's greatest love machine
It was a shame how he carried on
[Spoken:]
But when his drinking and lusting and his hunger
for power became known to more and more people,
the demands to do something about this outrageous
man became louder and louder.
"This man's just got to go!" declared his enemies
But the ladies begged "Don't you try to do it, please"
No doubt this Rasputin had lots of hidden charms
Though he was a brute they just fell into his arms
Then one night some men of higher standing
Set a trap, they're not to blame
"Come to visit us" they kept demanding
And he really came
RA RA RASPUTIN
Lover of the Russian queen
They put some poison into his wine
RA RA RASPUTIN
Russia's greatest love machine
He drank it all and he said "I feel fine"
RA RA RASPUTIN
Lover of the Russian queen
They didn't quit, they wanted his head
RA RA RASPUTIN
Russia's greatest love machine
And so they shot him till he was dead
[Spoken:] Oh, tho
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All this drama and bickering . . . you guys are worse than an old married couple already.
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Say one thing, do another....
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The Association of Hebrew Catholics is composed of supposed “converts” from Judaism. They are attempting to create, in effect, a Jєωιѕн sect inside the “Catholic Church.” This organization is headed by David Moss, who has been featured on EWTN numerous times. David Moss is the brother of Rosalind Moss, who also has hosted shows on EWTN and is employed by “Catholic Answers.” This AHC – composed of supposed converts from Judaism – promotes that Catholics converted from Judaism may continue to practice the Old Law (an idea solemnly condemned by the Council of Florence).
“Ignoring the Church’s teaching that the rituals and observances of the Mosaic law have been abolished with the New Covenant and that it is mortally sinful to observe them, Moss recommended that the Catholic inquirer ‘go to a local ѕуηαgσgυє and watch what they do and listen to it. You can take part in a Seder,’ he added… Moss then recommended that Catholics follow suit [that is, follow the practice of ‘Messianic Jews’] by celebrating Passover and Rosh haShanah… This conclusion is supported by an item on AHC’s website entitled: ‘Through the Hebrew Catholic Year: A Collection of Traditions and Prayers for the Jєωιѕн Holidays for Catholics.’ Here AHC advocates a ‘Catholic’ celebration of Rosh haShanah, Yom Kippur, Succoth, Purim, Passover, Shavuoth, and Hanukkah, using prayers ‘adapted from traditional Jєωιѕн prayer books.’
This is a promotion of mortal sin, heresy and apostasy.
The Association of Hebrew Catholics (unlike the common error in the NO) "gets it right" that Jews must accept Jesus Christ in order to be saved. That is what I was talking about in that quote. When their erroneous positions on other issues were pointed out to me, I made clear that I do not support the organization. I was merely not aware of them when I posted.
(by JayneK)
So once somebody revealed the true nature of the org, you backtracked. But it was backtracking in only the most honest way.
Right.
:farmer:
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I've drank lots of Vodka whiskey beer and other booze! Night guys pray I wake up
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Jaynek said:
"Cathinfo is the worst Catholic forum I have ever seen. What sort of Catholics think it is acceptable to accuse a married woman of being a lesbian? There is a pattern of slander and scandal-mongering here that goes beyond a few isolated posts. God will judge you. "
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... In general, it is a good thing that Matthew is slow to ban people,
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I have been reading Kaeskopf's posts for years, as well as having some private correspondence. In my experience, he is a completely honourable and trustworthy man.
:rolleyes:
Brown nose much?
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I have been reading Kaeskopf's posts for years, as well as having some private correspondence. In my experience, he is a completely honourable and trustworthy man.
:rolleyes:
Brown nose much?
She does, on every forum in which she manages to infiltrate.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Jayne, especially considering I am on TD.
However, that doesn't mean we go around doubting someone's conversion and insinuating that they are a non-Catholic. That is a level of depravity reserved solely for the Devil and his cohorts.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Jayne, especially considering I am on TD.
However, that doesn't mean we go around doubting someone's conversion and insinuating that they are a non-Catholic. That is a level of depravity reserved solely for the Devil and his cohorts.
For what it's worth, I'm not questioning her devotion. I just don't like her as a person. She subtly sows discord between Catholic colleagues by utilizing passive aggressiveness in a manner unrecognizable unless you've familiarized yourself with her posts for over a handful of years. Also a spectacle is her need to wiggle her way into conversation that will gain attention for her; any attention is good attention, even if it's negative.
This thread against Sbyvl is weird.
How can someone feel the urge to piss off fellow Catholics on the Internet when drunk? I've always retreated to these Catholic forums in the search for friendship and good associations. After all, is not the world a terrible, merciless, punishing place as it is? Why present fellow Catholics with this kind of Satanic quality?
When I'm drinking, I smoke cherry tobacco from a briar pipe and visit with my real-life friends. Going on the internet is the last thing I feel inclined to do.
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I never drink alcohol, so likewise I am never intoxicated.
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I never drink alcohol, so likewise I am never intoxicated.
I've always considered it a social lubricant.
And of course, rule #1: Never drink alone.
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Social function.
Soon-to-be-intoxicated acquaintance: "Hello, Sbyvl. Care for a drink?"
Sbyvl: "Yes. I'll have your finest sweet tea, please".
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And of course, rule #1: Never drink alone.
I don't follow that rule. I never drink enough to get drunk but I do drink alone.
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lol. Thank you, Matthew, for the language filter!
No that was me self consoring :dancing-banana:
Not before some people saw what you wrote. You are a filthy disgusting person.
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Spew your marrano venom elsewhere. Jeff, now you Jayne, are creating scandal and being calumnious towards real Catholics.
Desist. Leave now!
I think this type of name-calling is inappropriate in a Catholic forum.
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Time for everyone's Favorite De-Rail Funnies!
How can you tell a Jєωιѕн convert is a false converso?
Look in their kitchen. If their oven looks like it has never been used, something's up.
It means they eat out a lot.
:laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:
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Time for everyone's Favorite De-Rail Funnies!
How can you tell a Jєωιѕн convert is a false converso?
Look in their kitchen. If their oven looks like it has never been used, something's up.
It means they eat out a lot.
:laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:
Yup. Usury will allow them to eat out often.
:roll-laugh2:
False converso= Marrano (in Spanish) By the way, it is not name calling. Read up on it. Just don't allude to the particular definition off of "History of Anti-semitism" books.
False Jєωιѕн converts (Crypto jews) who judaized secretly or subtly were referred to by Spanish speaking Catholics as Marranos. And aptly so.
The only groups that take offense to the label are, Marranos, jews, ADL, Zionists and ʝʊdɛօ-sympathizers.
You may not understand Spanish, but here are a few references:
Definition from Spanish
MARRANO proviene de la palabra arabe muharram, maharram = cosa prohibida ma(ha)rrano = cerdo
From Arabic muharram "forbidden thing" (eating of pork is forbidden by Muslim and Jєωιѕн religious law), from haruma "was forbidden"
A couple of bibliographic references:
Historia de la Iglesia Católica, Llorca, Villoslada, Laboa; BAC, 1959
Buenos Aires, Ciudad Conversa. Federico Rivanera Carlés, Centro de Estudios Históricos Cardenal Juan Martínez Siliceo, 2012
Platicas de San Vicente Ferrer con la Realeza.
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Time for everyone's Favorite De-Rail Funnies!
How can you tell a Jєωιѕн convert is a false converso?
Look in their kitchen. If their oven looks like it has never been used, something's up.
It means they eat out a lot.
:laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:
Yup. Usury will allow them to eat out often.
:roll-laugh2:
False converso= Marrano (in Spanish) By the way, it is not name calling. Read up on it. Just don't allude to the particular definition off of "History of Anti-semitism" books.
False Jєωιѕн converts (Crypto jews) who judaized secretly or subtly were referred to by Spanish speaking Catholics as Marranos. And aptly so.
The only groups that take offense to the label are, Marranos, jews, ADL, Zionists and ʝʊdɛօ-sympathizers.
You may not understand Spanish, but here are a few references:
Definition from Spanish
MARRANO proviene de la palabra arabe muharram, maharram = cosa prohibida ma(ha)rrano = cerdo
From Arabic muharram "forbidden thing" (eating of pork is forbidden by Muslim and Jєωιѕн religious law), from haruma "was forbidden"
A couple of bibliographic references:
Historia de la Iglesia Católica, Llorca, Villoslada, Laboa; BAC, 1959
Buenos Aires, Ciudad Conversa. Federico Rivanera Carlés, Centro de Estudios Históricos Cardenal Juan Martínez Siliceo, 2012
Platicas de San Vicente Ferrer con la Realeza.
What evidence do you have thaat JayneK's conversion is a fasle conversion? Using this kind of verbiage is a sinful lack of charity that if you do not repair in this life will have to be repaid in the next.
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I am disgusted by seeing sbyvl's name and email posted like this. However, I expect Matthew to delete it as soon as he gets a chance, so I hope that few people will see it.
Oh I've posted it other places
Why are you doing this?
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I am disgusted by seeing sbyvl's name and email posted like this. However, I expect Matthew to delete it as soon as he gets a chance, so I hope that few people will see it.
Oh I've posted it other places
So much for "I will try to be as good a Catholic as you".
Gee, where have I seen this routine before?
From yourself in those pms telling me to "get that Jew (expletive)"
If you get these types of emails maybe you should delete/ignore them.
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I've drank lots of Vodka whiskey beer and other booze! Night guys pray I wake up
I pray that you get the opportunity to go to confession.
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We are all sinners. Some Catholics act horribly to others in public. Others do it in private.
I do not know any of the parties involved in any of this drama, nor have I read of any of the shenanigans before what I have seen here.
But no matter what, do not call someone a false convert, Marrano etc unless you have proof. Real concrete proof.
And stop causing scandal to others who read this stuff or YOU are to blame for
the bad things they will think of trad Catholics and Catholicism.
Some of you who have posted in this thread should hang your heads in shame... and then go to Confession.
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Come on people now! Smile on your brother, everybody get together and try to love one another right now!!
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Obviously, I do not affirm the Protestant heresy of salvation by faith alone. The anonymous user who posted this OP was the former TD member Jeffab1993, who was banned for a number of reasons in the last week.
The OP tweaked a word or two of my message to him that significantly altered the meaning of what I said. I will post screenshots of the emails once one of my moderators blacks out the OP's email address for me.
Moreover, I will also be posting screenshots of comments Jeff left on my blog, wherein he used a number of obscenities (although I will have these blacked out) directed at me.
It is shameful that Jeff has decided to do this, particularly as an anonymous poster rather than as a registered user, and in my opinion it shows he is void of a great deal of Catholic morals and scruples.
Sorry sir I didn't know he did that forgive me for posting this I was not aware he did that
Grow up you little weasel. Know that you are dead to me boy. You utterly disgraced yourself. Go to confession and clean up your act. :mad:
Voxx
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Grow up you little weasel. Know that you are dead to me boy. You utterly disgraced yourself. Go to confession and clean up your act. :mad:
Voxx
But because they love everyone and already demonstrated perfect sorrow for their offenses, please love the sinner and forgive them.
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Yes, good advise. Let's everyone not hide our light under a basket, rather let us prove our Catholic charity and with love, forgive one another.
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I have a question for SYBVL. Is the forum you were talking about in any way related to this?
http://messe.forumactif.org/f9-les-maximes-et-citations
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I have a question for SYBVL. Is the forum you were talking about in any way related to this?
http://messe.forumactif.org/f9-les-maximes-et-citations
No, my forum is Tedeum.boards.net
In any case, I don't speak French.
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You are a very deceitful woman. I have already refuted all of your accusations regarding the 'private information', which I gave you a chance to respond to before publishing the blog post.
I retract and apologize for the untrue allegation of deceitfulness
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All I can say is read my blog post. A quotation of TD's rules posted on SD showed the insertion of a mythical rule that was not posted on TD.
I retract and apologize for any untrue intimation that someone deliberately edited the text.
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Once again, you keep insisting that Jeff is the one behind the accounts, but you are making this accusation without any solid facts. We need more than simple conjecture.
Moreover, you seem way too certain that Jeff is behind this. One wonders if you and Jeff are working together.
Once again, I direct everyone to read the post on my blog. There is indeed reason to believe the screenshots were forged. Moreover, no information was posted that was private. In any case, I am done discussing this with you. It is clear you are using this thread to attack me, as you have done before.
Please, just leave us Traditional Catholics alone.
And seek some professional help, while you are at it.
I retract and apologize for the untrue allegations of them working together and the untrue allegation of forgery.
And for the general nastiness here
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Wow, so much for "I am going to stop causing trouble".
Your entire chronology of events with regards to the Zostrianos affair is completely incorrect, and anybody who is interested can read the post on my blog.
The same goes for posting your "personal information". You have yourself admitted on Laramie Hirsch's blog that this is not what happened.
So once again, Jayne, you have proven yourself to be deceitful. Every time you cause trouble, you issue a phony apology, and then continue doing precisely the same thing a few months down the line.
I retract and apologize for the false allegations of deceit and phony apologies, and for the general nastiness here
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Yep, it's not as if I have been regularly attacked on Suscipe Domine's in the last eight months, or anything.
(I wrote this, by the way.
-Sbyvl)
I retract and apologize for the untrue allegation of regular attacks.
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does not somehow mitigate the fact that you and Kaesekopf are liars as well.
Several months ago, when I was conducting the investigation of the Zostrianos affair, I initially asked Kasekopf for assistance. His conduct during the investigation, and my reasons for ceasing communication with him, are public knowledge now. My position is the same now as it was before. Kaesekopf lied when he told me he would remove the calumnies posted about me in September. I told him quite clearly that I had no reason to believe he would follow through with his promises about the Zostrianos investigation until he followed through on the last round of promises. When I did not hear back, I posted the information publicly, to prevent myself from being smeared again.
Moreover, neither you nor Kaesekopf have attempted to dissuade me, either by word or action, of the possibility of a fαℓѕє fℓαg, and I am far from being alone in believing the Zostrianos posts were, for lack of a better term, "inside jobs". Further, Kaesekopf has certainly. Not "retracted, apologized, or acknowledged" that he wronged me, when there is boatloads of evidence that he did. All we have to suggest I wronged you is your conjecture.
For those who think this was paranoid, please read my blog post "The various scandals at Suscipe Domine" on my blog. Sbyvl.wordpress.com
I retract and apologize for the untrue allegations that Jayne and Kaesekopf were liars, that Kaesekopf wronged me, or that there was an inside job or fαℓѕє fℓαg operation, or that there were “various scandals” at SD.
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Tel Aviv.
*Brrrring. Brrrrring.*
Israeli official: "Ello. Death to Anti-Semitism. How can I help you?"
JayneK: "Yes, Hello. This is Agent Bookworm-22. I need to speak with Bibi. Put me through immediately."
*Brrrrring. Brrrrring.*
Netanyahu: "Ello. Death to the Palestinians. How can I help you?"
JayneK: "Hello, Bibi? The accusation of heresy didn't work. They are on to us."
Netanyahu: "[Expletive]. Have you found anything else we could use against Sbvyl?"
JayneK: "Not yet, but I'll keep looking. In the meantime, I think I can get away with repeating the 'personal information' routine a few more times, wouldn't you agree!?"
Netanyahu: "Yes, very well, then. Keep up the good work!"
I retract and apologize for the untrue allegation that she was working for the Israelis.