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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Gray2023 on June 10, 2025, 06:50:16 AM
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Good idea 2Vermont.
I am going to try again, but slightly different.
Here is maybe a helpful Novus Ordo article to start the conversation.
https://catholicreview.org/this-lent-say-sorry-and-mean-it/
What I want to discuss is the Catholic ideas on it? When should one apologize? How do you teach people to apologize? Should we apologize more? Should we apologize less?
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Men, because they are figures of authority, should apologize less. A similar principle applies even more to the clergy.
It is to maintain a certain dignity. Just as a child should apologize more, so should women apologize more.
The occasions where a woman might apologize less would be where she is a mother. Same principle as above.
Of course there is a delicate balance.
But feminism has crept into the minds of everyone including trads, and the perennial problem with sin in all of us, seeks to divert responsibility and equivocate.
Marriages are affected by this today.
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In my own experience, I probably apologize two to three times more because I am at fault two times three times more (thank you, hormones). I love apologizing, actually, because it’s very gratifying and demonstrates a willingness to do better. My husband apologizes quite often too, and I must say, it penetrates deeply and it makes it oh so easy to forgive him.
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I have been blessed to have a strong man for a husband who is capable of apologizing without thinking it somehow hinders his authority or diminishes his "dignity". I respect him more for being able to humbly admit when he might be wrong. He knows when he should apologize and when he does not need to do so. As Catholics, we should all reflect on our behaviors and willingly apologize, when necessary.
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I have been blessed to have a strong man for a husband who is capable of apologizing without thinking it somehow hinders his authority or diminishes his "dignity". I respect him more for being able to humbly admit when he might be wrong. He knows when he should apologize and when he does not need to do so. As Catholics, we should all reflect on our behaviors and willingly apologize, when necessary.
Here we go. I was waiting for the entitle rattiness to emerge from somewhere.
You're proving like many of the women on this forum exactly why women should not speak publicly.
It is NOT YOUR PLACE to determine when your husband should and should not apologize. So BACK DOWN.
You know full well that I never said that husbands should never apologize. But it struck a nerve clearly that there might be some areas where you dont have control. Your response sound much like that of a woman who is used to having control over a weak husband, and the very mention of marriages which are not as perverted as yours strikes you to your heart. But thats just a theory.
You could prove me wrong by backing down and being humble and apologizing yourself right now.
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Here we go. I was waiting for the entitle rattiness to emerge from somewhere.
You're proving like many of the women on this forum exactly why women should not speak publicly.
It is NOT YOUR PLACE to determine when your husband should and should not apologize. So BACK DOWN.
You know full well that I never said that husbands should never apologize. But it struck a nerve clearly that there might be some areas where you dont have control. Your response sound much like that of a woman who is used to having control over a weak husband, and the very mention of marriages which are not as perverted as yours strikes you to your heart. But thats just a theory.
You could prove me wrong by backing down and being humble and apologizing yourself right now.
I never said I determine when he should or should not apologize. I clearly said HE knows when he should apologize, and that I respect him for doing so. Ready to humble yourself and apologize for misrepresenting what I said?
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I never said I determine when he should or should not apologize. I clearly said HE knows when he should apologize, and that I respect him for doing so. Ready to humble yourself and apologize for misrepresenting what I said?
There are lots of times when a husband might decide it would be counter productive to apologize.
You brush that aside. And it doesnt matter anyway because you are a woman and not able to judge when that might be.
Get off the internet and do us all a favor.
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I never said I determine when he should or should not apologize. I clearly said HE knows when he should apologize, and that I respect him for doing so. Ready to humble yourself and apologize for misrepresenting what I said?
I guess not.
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I guess not.
Sisterhood activated.
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Here we go. I was waiting for the entitle rattiness to emerge from somewhere.
You're proving like many of the women on this forum exactly why women should not speak publicly.
It is NOT YOUR PLACE to determine when your husband should and should not apologize. So BACK DOWN.
You know full well that I never said that husbands should never apologize. But it struck a nerve clearly that there might be some areas where you dont have control. Your response sound much like that of a woman who is used to having control over a weak husband, and the very mention of marriages which are not as perverted as yours strikes you to your heart. But thats just a theory.
You could prove me wrong by backing down and being humble and apologizing yourself right now.
I am returning to this post because I now see why you reacted the way you did. My earlier post was not saying you said that husbands should never apologize. But I was disagreeing with your use of the word "dignity". I think that when those in authority DO apologize it creates MORE respect from those who are under the authority. I actually do not have an issue with the idea that those in authority apologize less often than those who are not. That does make sense. Fair enough? Maybe if you re-read my earlier post, it might sound differently to you now. I still think you misrepresented it by saying I determine when or when not my husband should apologize.
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I am returning to this post because I now see why you reacted the way you did. My earlier post was not saying you said that husbands should never apologize. But I was disagreeing with your use of the word "dignity". I think that when those in authority DO apologize it creates MORE respect from those who are under the authority. I actually do not have an issue with the idea that those in authority apologize less often than those who are not. That does make sense. Fair enough? Maybe if you re-read my earlier post, it might sound differently to you now. I still think you misrepresented it by saying I determine when or when not my husband should apologize.
Don’t waste your time justifying yourself to the troll, Croix.
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I am returning to this post because I now see why you reacted the way you did. My earlier post was not saying you said that husbands should never apologize. But I was disagreeing with your use of the word "dignity". I think that when those in authority DO apologize it creates MORE respect from those who are under the authority. I actually do not have an issue with the idea that those in authority apologize less often than those who are not. That does make sense. Fair enough? Maybe if you re-read my earlier post, it might sound differently to you now. I still think you misrepresented it by saying I determine when or when not my husband should apologize.
It is a double edged sword.
Sometimes apologizing can give the appearance of weakness when those in authority need to show they are strong. Its not an absolute. Its just in nature.
If any of us are honest, it would be weird for our fathers or our king to go around apologizing all the time.
There's something inherently weak about it. So there is a line to be straddled.
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Don’t waste your time justifying yourself to the troll, Croix.
No. Those who cause trouble by bringing feminism onto a traditional catholic forum are the trolls.
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It's not automatically a sin to hurt a woman's pride. She might be hormonally insane and thinks she has a kitchen pass for acting any kinda way. Being post-menopause has been the best thing that ever happened to my thinking. I apologize probably 5 times as much as the men in my life. Women commit sins of the tongue almost daily, excusing it "helping" or "guiding". Since when do the stupid and blind lead the blind? How many women have destroyed their marriages because "he ain't kissing me right" or a guy forgot a birthday?
I feel sorry for the men who are forced by their wives to read these threads to prove what a rotten husband he is. Take care lest God remove this "stumbling block" from your life. There are record numbers of thirsty and desperate women out there looking for a good man. Better come down from your ivory tower before you lose your meal ticket and dish washer.
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Men apologize when they are factually wrong. Women apologize when they hurt someone's feelings, regardless of facts.
Men want an apology in order to correct a factual error. Or to correct a lack of respect.
Women want an apology when they feel hurt, which can only be known by each individual women, depending on the day and hour.
Men and women apologize for completely different reasons. There is no solution to these psychological differences.
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Men, because they are figures of authority, should apologize less.
Perhaps men should generally apologize in "FourteenWords" or fewer. :laugh1: :laugh2:
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Here we go. I was waiting for the entitle rattiness to emerge from somewhere.
You're proving like many of the women on this forum exactly why women should not speak publicly.
It is NOT YOUR PLACE to determine when your husband should and should not apologize. So BACK DOWN.
You know full well that I never said that husbands should never apologize. But it struck a nerve clearly that there might be some areas where you dont have control. Your response sound much like that of a woman who is used to having control over a weak husband, and the very mention of marriages which are not as perverted as yours strikes you to your heart. But thats just a theory.
You could prove me wrong by backing down and being humble and apologizing yourself right now.
I opened up my fortune cookie at Panda Express last niight and it told me "FourteenWords was right, and is clearly, absolutely, madly not Croix, and again totally right."
And all in Fourteen Words for 14 Croix accounts! Ain't it grand?
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Perhaps men should generally apologize in "FourteenWords" or fewer. :laugh1: :laugh2:
:laugh1:
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I opened up my fortune cookie at Panda Express last niight and it told me "FourteenWords was right, and is clearly, absolutely, madly not Croix, and again totally right."
And all in Fourteen Words for 14 Croix accounts! Ain't it grand?
And we have Leo the xiv? Do you think that's a coincidence?
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Men, because they are figures of authority, should apologize less. A similar principle applies even more to the clergy.
It is to maintain a certain dignity. Just as a child should apologize more, so should women apologize more.
The occasions where a woman might apologize less would be where she is a mother. Same principle as above.
Of course there is a delicate balance.
This part was good. The rest carries emotion.
Gray2023
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I love apologizing, actually, because it’s very gratifying and demonstrates a willingness to do better.
Yes, this.
Gray2023
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I have been blessed to have a strong man for a husband who is capable of apologizing without thinking it somehow hinders his authority or diminishes his "dignity". I respect him more for being able to humbly admit when he might be wrong. He knows when he should apologize and when he does not need to do so. As Catholics, we should all reflect on our behaviors and willingly apologize, when necessary.
It makes life as woman easier when you have a strong, prudent man. You are very blessed.
Agree totally with the bold.
Gray 2023
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Here we go. I was waiting for the entitle rattiness to emerge from somewhere.
You're proving like many of the women on this forum exactly why women should not speak publicly.
It is NOT YOUR PLACE to determine when your husband should and should not apologize. So BACK DOWN.
You know full well that I never said that husbands should never apologize. But it struck a nerve clearly that there might be some areas where you dont have control. Your response sound much like that of a woman who is used to having control over a weak husband, and the very mention of marriages which are not as perverted as yours strikes you to your heart. But thats just a theory.
You could prove me wrong by backing down and being humble and apologizing yourself right now.
I think you really misunderstood her post.
If you are married, I hope it gets better, because it sounds like you might be projecting or you just are upset at women in general.
If I am totally misunderstanding myself, I am sorry.
Gray2023
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Sisterhood activated.
Funny you might have been talking to just one person all this time. Maybe you should be less emotional.
Gray2023
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Don’t waste your time justifying yourself to the troll, Croix.
Could be a troll? Could be someone who is clueless?
We will never know.
Gray2023
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It's not automatically a sin to hurt a woman's pride. She might be hormonally insane and thinks she has a kitchen pass for acting any kinda way. Being post-menopause has been the best thing that ever happened to my thinking. I apologize probably 5 times as much as the men in my life. Women commit sins of the tongue almost daily, excusing it "helping" or "guiding". Since when do the stupid and blind lead the blind? How many women have destroyed their marriages because "he ain't kissing me right" or a guy forgot a birthday?
I feel sorry for the men who are forced by their wives to read these threads to prove what a rotten husband he is. Take care lest God remove this "stumbling block" from your life. There are record numbers of thirsty and desperate women out there looking for a good man. Better come down from your ivory tower before you lose your meal ticket and dish washer.
I am really not sure that happens as much as you seem to think. Most of the women that speak on CathInfo seem to have good marriages.
I probably gave the wrong impression of my family life, and I am sorry for that.
Gray2023
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This thread is an analysis in the sins of gossip and detraction on a thread dedicated to "saying sorry". Several members will immediately follow the aforementioned with pious-sounding comments. In fact, one of them started this thread and then engages in the gossip and detraction. :facepalm:
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This thread is an analysis in the sins of gossip and detraction on a thread dedicated to "saying sorry". Several members will immediately follow the aforementioned with pious-sounding comments. In fact, one of them started this thread and then engages in the gossip and detraction. :facepalm:
If you really think so, then please PM me, so I can remedy the situation. If you don't give facts to back your statement, then how can anyone do better.
Gray2023
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This thread is an analysis in the sins of gossip and detraction on a thread dedicated to "saying sorry". Several members will immediately follow the aforementioned with pious-sounding comments. In fact, one of them started this thread and then engages in the gossip and detraction. :facepalm:
Oh wait! You mean all the joking about "FourteenWords." If you took it other than just fun, I am sorry.
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If you really think so, then please PM me, so I can remedy the situation. If you don't give facts to back your statement, then how can anyone do better.
Gray2023
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The evidence is on this very thread. I'm referring to this thread.
And why is it so hard for you to check the NOT ANONYMOUS box? Are you trying to avoid being thumbed down for your detraction and gossip?
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Oh wait! You mean all the joking about "FourteenWords." If you took it other than just fun, I am sorry.
I simply relish exposing your (and others') true nature, hypocrisy and false piety. That's all. :laugh1:
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I simply relish exposing your (and others') true nature, hypocrisy and false piety. That's all. :laugh1:
:laugh2: You are incorrigible. I shouldn't laugh. :laugh2:
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I think you really misunderstood her post.
If you are married, I hope it gets better, because it sounds like you might be projecting or you just are upset at women in general.
If I am totally misunderstanding myself, I am sorry.
Gray2023
You are misunderstanding yourself.
Glad you are open to that. Some humility there.
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I opened up my fortune cookie at Panda Express last niight and it told me "FourteenWords was right, and is clearly, absolutely, madly not Croix, and again totally right."
And all in Fourteen Words for 14 Croix accounts! Ain't it grand?
I don't think the post you responded to was FourteenWords. But FourteenWords is definitely Croix.