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« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2019, 12:57:53 PM »
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    OP wrote: The parishioners  in the Sanford chapel are by far the most generous people I have ever known, the work they’ve done in the last 15 years building that place is mind boggling for such a small congregation. The priory was 2000 square foot  house, and recently they paid well over $600,000 to make a 2000 square foot addition to the priory. That’s a 4000 sq ft home (in Florida!) for 6 men! Theirs is no way you could call the parishioners anything but astronomical generous.  The writer has contributed as much as the most generous.


    Why would 6 men need any help? The parishioners do everything and the prior does not lift a finger (and the six men) and he is complaining?  I wish I had 5 men to help me.

    They must be living in the Twilight Zone.

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    « Reply #31 on: June 11, 2019, 06:19:34 PM »
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  • Why would 6 men need any help [to make a 2000 square foot addition to the priory]?  The parishioners do everything and the prior does not lift a finger (and the six men) and he is complaining?  I wish I had 5 men to help me.

    Readers must be astonished that monasteries could've been built in totally unsettled locales [×] by mere monks--and rebuilt--from stone, using mediæval construction technology:
    •  as magnificent and eventually huge as Monte Cassino
    • or Cluny [@@];

    •  as challenging as Citeaux [@@@] or Clairvaux [@@@@@]; or
    •  an environment as severe as Chartreuse [@@@@] of the Carthusians.

    But wait!  There are important lessons to be learned from Florida cracker-houses about construction that can make the summer subtropical climate tolerable.  That can be creatively combined with the modernish concrete-pad technology that's so well-established in Florida.  Not only is concrete-block technology practically universally available, but Florida also has quarries for coquina-rock near St. Augustine (St. Johns Co.), and for more ordinary stone near Ocala (Marion Co.).

    Maybe if SSPX is newly determined to indulge in modernistoecumenism’,  they should arrange to have their clergy trained in building construction by Habitat for Humanity".

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    Note ×: "totally unsettled locales" meaning locales completely lacking civilized inhabitants, e.g., wood-workers and stone-workers.

    Note @: Cassino survives in modern Italy, in inland Lazio (class. Latium), near where an imaginary coastal perpendicular from W.-coastal Gaeta would cross the Liri (River) approx. 1/4 way N.W. across the peninsula.

    Note @@: Cluny (est. 910), in Burgundy.

    Note @@@: Abb. St. Robert's Citeaux (est. 1098), in Burgundy.

    Note @@@@: St. Bruno (of Cologne)'s Chartreuse (Fr. Alps) (est. 1076) of the Carthusians.

    Note @@@@@: St. Bernard's Clairvaux (class. clara vallis: "valley of light") (est. 1115), originally the "Valley of Wormwood".


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    « Reply #32 on: June 11, 2019, 07:51:11 PM »
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  • Ahhh this particular prior is a nutjob. Well documented on here. Years ago when the Resistance came about, many of the hard liner parishioners were pushed out by the prior. When Fr. Hewko had a Mass by the church it was reported that the prior was driving up and down the streets of the church taking a list of who’s car was the Mass. He even went as far as leaving a creepy voicemail banning an usher from St. Thomas More. The usher has since has returned years later.
     
    The prior talks about the comforts others have but the children go to school in portables and have their plays outside while the priests live in a comfortable home with the best wines from Total Wine and home cook meals daily. I guess no one there has culinary skills or can throw things in a crockpot. Fr. Shouldn’t have room talking about people’s comforts when he doesn’t practice what he preaches!

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    « Reply #33 on: June 12, 2019, 07:07:52 AM »
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  • From the OP – my final posting
     I’ve been going to the Sanford Florida SSPX chapel for many years now, and have seen the prior getting worse and worse in his vitriolic sermons complaining about anything that is not working in EVERY detail as he wants and he always blames the parishioners for everything, never once thinking that if the parishioners are not buying into something it is because the presentation is not attractive, in fact the presentation is scary, for it appears by his vitriol that the prior has lost it. It is anguishing to see the prior open his mouth from the pulpit every Sunday, with his every word he sinks deeper and deeper into appearing to reveal his real hate of the parishioners for not doing everything he says in EVERY detail. The anguishing is not from guilt for the things he blames the people for, but for watching a man appearing to be losing it from the pulpit. People run away from such persons and will do anything to avoid them.  


    In the martial arts once you lose your temper, you have lost it. One can never openly reveal their anger and hate against people like that without appearing to be unbalanced, and to do it from a pulpit every sermon?

    The prior needs to open his eyes to the gifts, the reality, of the extraordinary attention he has received all these years! There is not one chapel in the world where a prior gets the physical attention this prior gets: gourmet meals, wines, washing of clothes, cleaning of the living quarters, cars, drivers, a CPA to do the accounting, gardens plantings and maintenance (on 5 acres),  home repairs and maintenance, , $600,000 home addition, a 4000 square foot home for 6 priests, 6 men who do not have to lift a finger to do any of this work,…………. The prior has nothing to go ballistic about, on the contrary, he should be thanking the parishioners from the pulpit every day. Everyone knows this, and that makes his apparent anger and hate of the parishioners even more striking, he is coming off as unbalanced. It is anguishing to watch someone self-destruct like that every Sunday. He needs to get his act together and quick.

    “Two men stared out prison bars, one saw mud, the other the stars”.

     

    This is my last posting.

    God Bless

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    « Reply #34 on: June 12, 2019, 07:17:07 AM »
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    From the OP – my final posting
     I’ve been going to the Sanford Florida SSPX chapel for many years now, and have seen the prior getting worse and worse in his vitriolic sermons complaining about anything that is not working in EVERY detail as he wants and he always blames the parishioners for everything, never once thinking that if the parishioners are not buying into something it is because the presentation is not attractive,

    Snowflake.
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    Perhaps your congregation can gather up enough energy so they can petition SSPX for a priest who is a better salesman, one  that makes pretty presentations. :facepalm:


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    « Reply #35 on: June 12, 2019, 08:36:53 AM »
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  • I think this priest was once the Superior of the then all Africa District and, thanks to his temper, lost it all. 

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    « Reply #36 on: June 12, 2019, 12:06:15 PM »
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  • Perhaps your congregation can gather up enough energy so they can petition SSPX for a priest who is a better salesman, one  that makes pretty presentations. 
    Perhaps if you read and quoted the rest of the posting you might understand that what the OP wrote has nothing to do with making pretty presentations:
    "in fact the presentation is scary, for it appears by his vitriol that the prior has lost it. It is anguishing to see the prior open his mouth from the pulpit every Sunday, with his every word he sinks deeper and deeper into appearing to reveal his real hate of the parishioners for not doing everything he says in EVERY detail. The anguishing is not from guilt for the things he blames the people for, but for watching a man appearing to be losing it from the pulpit. People run away from such persons and will do anything to avoid them.
    In the martial arts once you lose your temper, you have lost it. One can never openly reveal their anger and hate against people like that without appearing to be unbalanced, and to do it from a pulpit every sermon?
     
     The prior needs to open his eyes to the gifts, the reality, of the extraordinary attention he has received all these years! There is not one chapel in the world where a prior gets the physical attention this prior gets: gourmet meals, wines, washing of clothes, cleaning of the living quarters, cars, drivers, a CPA to do the accounting, gardens plantings and maintenance (on 5 acres),  home repairs and maintenance, , $600,000 home addition, a 4000 square foot home for 6 priests, 6 men who do not have to lift a finger to do any of this work,…………. The prior has nothing to go ballistic about, on the contrary, he should be thanking the parishioners from the pulpit every day. Everyone knows this, and that makes his apparent anger and hate of the parishioners even more striking, he is coming off as unbalanced. It is anguishing to watch someone self-destruct like that every Sunday. He needs to get his act together and quick.
     
     “Two men stared out prison bars, one saw mud, the other the stars”."


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    « Reply #37 on: June 12, 2019, 12:32:05 PM »
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  • Perhaps if you read and quoted the rest of the posting you might understand that what the OP wrote has nothing to do with making pretty presentations:
    "in fact the presentation is scary, for it appears by his vitriol that the prior has lost it. It is anguishing to see the prior open his mouth from the pulpit every Sunday, with his every word he sinks deeper and deeper into appearing to reveal his real hate of the parishioners for not doing everything he says in EVERY detail.
    From your posts, to you, truth is vitriol. As such, you have it pretty bad there, why suffer the anguish, why not find some place else to go.
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    The local NO church are almost guaranteed to have pretty sermons.


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    « Reply #38 on: June 12, 2019, 12:39:15 PM »
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  • From your posts, to you, truth is vitriol. As such, you have it pretty bad there, why suffer the anguish, why not find some place else to go.
    From the writers brief postings it is obvious that he does not have the mental wherewithal to read clear English or else he is in denial.

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    « Reply #39 on: June 12, 2019, 03:06:43 PM »
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  • From the writers brief postings it is obvious that he does not have the mental wherewithal to read clear English or else he is in denial.
    It's plain enough for whoever listens to his sermon (posted earlier), that what you consider vitriol is not vitriol at all to Catholics. Snowflake.

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  • Some parishoners at St Michael's in Jacksonville, which as of this year voted to join the SSPX almost unanimously, had been scandalized last year by the Sanford parish pilgrimage to the Shrine in St Augustine being held inside the novus ordo church instead of outside on the so called "rustic altar" as it traditionally was. They had voiced their concerns about this during a meeting discussing the property transfer to the Society. The priest representing the SSPX said it was because of the weather and that we shouldnt worry about particles of the host being on the floor because that really only happens in third world countries where hosts are handmade. Well this year on a perfectly clear and mild day the parish pilgrimage was held yet again in the novus ordo church. Jacksonville was only given a 7am Mass so the parishoners would go to the pilgrimage Mass at the novus ordo church where they were greeted by SSPX Sanford bulletins stacked underneath a divine mercy image next to divine mercy pamphlets and were led in song by a man standing at the front of the church waving his arms around. 

    Another odd thing that happened at Sanford at the low Mass on Passion Sunday was the prior literally turning around and stopping the Mass twice to rebuke people for getting up to go to the restroom. I didnt witness this but I heard it from multiple people who did attend that Mass. 


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    « Reply #41 on: June 13, 2019, 01:24:51 PM »
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  • The guy "directing the choir" is a novelty. A lot of novelties were brought forth when the prior came to Sanford; he literally switched everything in the church, where the first station of the cross was was now the last. Where the Blessed Mother statue was, there now was St. Joseph. All untraditional. 

    I think it would be pointless to talk to him. In all charity I think what he means is well but without "supervision" of a higher authority he is destructing. 

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    « Reply #42 on: June 13, 2019, 01:33:57 PM »
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  • Is it a coincidence that a French priest brought all these novelties to this church?  Not all French priests are bad (ie Fr Chazal) but it’s a historical fact that the French churches were modernized decades before V2.  Also, lots of French Modernists in the new-sspx leadership.  

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    « Reply #43 on: June 13, 2019, 06:28:43 PM »
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  • You can always leave after the gospel, you have no requirement to sit through lengthy sermons anyway.
    I know the chapel with the 100$ a plate fundraiser dinners that no one attended. Pretty funny if you know the characters

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    « Reply #44 on: June 13, 2019, 07:22:49 PM »
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  • Conclusion?
    If you can go to Mass-not the one said by the prior-and leave as soon as it's over, same with confession or other sacraments, then do so.  Skip the social hour.  Avoid the prior.
    If this isn't possible, and there are no other alternatives, then stay home alone.  Do be aware, however, that if you have children who are used to the social aspects of a chapel, they may very likely abandon the faith when they leave to go out on their own.  If you think there are slim pickings for suitable mates at a chapel of 200, there are none in your living room!  
    I don't know your specific situation.  Pray for wisdom to choose wisely, because you can't go on sinning in your heart every time you hear your prior at Mass!  

     

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