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Author Topic: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?  (Read 16593 times)

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Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2019, 03:13:00 PM »
A retreat is not an easy thing to just sign up for.  You have to take off work, buy a plane ticket and be apart from your family for an entire week.    In this day and age, making daily mass is difficult (if you even have the option of one).  Most people struggle to do the basics - daily rosary and morning/evening prayers.  Many don't have time for spiritual reading or extra devotions, which would be step 2.  Sounds like the priest's efforts are a tad misplaced; a retreat is a luxury.

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Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2019, 04:09:47 PM »
Sounds like said prior might be on this thread.
Whoever it is, he proved the vitriol point for the OP. 


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Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2019, 06:28:51 PM »
Definitely let it go!  One shouldn't complain unless he is willingly to help with the solution.  Where we used to hear Mass, the choir was terrible.  People complained.  But when the director begged for volunteers, he got none.  It does seem to me a chapel of 200 persons should be able to find people for basics like cleaning, lawn mowing, etc.  If not, it's not right to expect the priest to personally do all the grunt work.  You want a holy priest, right?  One given to prayer and hours before Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament.  This is not to say the priest should be a lazy bum and have people waiting on him hand and foot, but his main calling is to priestly duties, not janitorial.  
If people don't sign up for retreats, volunteer for, or attend parish events, there must be a reason other than the fact that the priest is frustrated.  Some of the men of the chapel should meet with him to discuss the reasons for non-participation.  I don't know the Sanford area.  Is a place very expensive and not conducive to people being able hot afford retreats?  Or maybe the distances people come from to hear Mass are prohibitive of events like parish picnics?  Perhaps there are no women living close by who can come and clean on a regular basis?  Men with the same problem?  
Personally, I have not been on a retreat in over a decade and I get to Mass once every six weeks, if so blessed.  My health doesn't allow me to make long road trips or to do heavy cleaning.  I'm on a fixed income and cannot afford airfare much less the cost of the retreat.  Many Catholic families are raising lots of children without the support of extended family or of a surrounding Catholic community life.  These parents have all they can do to keep a roof over their heads, food on the table, and educate their children properly.  For them, a retreat is out of the question.  How many men can take an entire week off from work and how many women can go the whole week without adult help from a husband?
Maybe expense is a problem.  Are chapel events not well matched to the members?  A chapel populated by young families with many children should not count on crowds at a $100 a plate formal dinner and recital, as at an SSPX chapel that shall remain unnamed.  Conversely, well-to-do seniors probably have little interest in attending an outdoor picnic in the park at the ballfield!  
If people don't sign up for the priest's activities, no wonder he's frustrated.  It could also be the sad truth that most who attend there are selfish, wanting to get something out of Mass, but not give.  In which case, if the priest gets upset, one can hardly blame him.  If nothing changes, the people can count upon eventually losing the priest, their Mass, and their Sacraments as punishment for lack of appreciation.  
The people should take time to speak with their priest, and he with them.  Maybe the chapel isn't in a good locale any longer.  Circuмstances and social dynamics change.  
Unless the OP is willing to do something other than complain, he should, indeed, let it go!

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Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2019, 08:34:54 PM »
To the OP:

If you "let Sanford go", what is your alternative? Assuming all the complaints the OP has made are 100% accurate, none of them, nor all of them together are a sufficient reason to "let the parish go", unless the OP has an alternative place to go to Mass first. 

I don't live in Florida, but I do know a bit about the locations of Traditional chapels in Florida, and I'm not aware of any others that I would consider acceptable in the Orlando-area ("acceptable" to me is a chapel of the SSPX, Bp. Williamson or other Resistance Bishops/Priests, the SSPV, CSPV, or those affiliated with Bishops Dolan/Sanborn/Neville). Being that traditional churches are not numerous the OP might live a considerable distance from Sanford anyway, and so perhaps is closer to a chapel of one of those other groups, or even to one of the SSPX Missions in Florida served by the other SSPX Priests in Sanford? If you do have another chapel that is close or even one that is farther away but which you don't mind sacrificing time and gas money to drive farther to get to, your complaints would perhaps be sufficient reasons to go to this alternative chapel.

The bottom line though, is that unless you have an alternative chapel to go to, those complaints are not a sufficient reason to give up Sanford and consider yourself dispensed from your Sunday obligation, nor are they sufficient reasons to attend the Novus Ordo.

As far as the complaints themselves, if you truly can't make the retreats, or truly have no time to help with maintenance around the church, don't dwell on Father's criticisms, as they are not directed at you personally (I assume??) but at those parishioners who DO have time to make the retreats but are too lazy to make the effort, and those parishioners that DO have the time and talent to help with projects around the church but don't out of laziness or selfishness. There are people like that in every parish, and I guarantee there are in Sanford as well. 

I have seen it happen before where a larger Traditional parish puts on an activity like a retreat and the majority of attendees are from outside the parish. That has got to be incredibly frustrating and/or embarrassing for the parish Priest that his own parishioners won't take advantage of what's offered them. While there are undoubtedly people like the OP who can't make a retreat or help out with maintenance, there are also undoubtedly others who could do both of these things, and just don't. People tend toward laziness both spiritually and physically (it is one of the 7 Capital Sins after all), and sometimes need a little cajoling from their pastor to get them fervent again.

I hope this helps.

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Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2019, 08:53:32 PM »
We pray for everyone at Sanford, Florida chapel.  

Certain chores should be done by young people too.  Everyone needs to help out their parish.  Make up a sign up sheet.  Take turns.  

Have fundraisers to fund pilgrimages and retreats especially St Ignatius Silent retreat.  It is great that a priest is encouraging Catholic activities.  

Now more than ever we need to pray for our priests and realize they all have different personalities too.  The chapel in Sanford is beautiful and holy.  The people were kind and friendly.