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Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
« on: June 10, 2019, 09:33:45 AM »
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  • I have a question for you people in CathInfo. I go to the SSPX Sanford chapel, and have seen the prior getting worse and worse in his vitriolic sermons complaining about anything that is not working according to his desires and he blames the parishioners for everything, never thinking that if the parishioners are not buying into something it is because the product is not attractive. It is anguishing to see the prior open his mouth, with his every word he sinks deeper and deeper into his hate of the parishioners for not buying his "products". 

    Should I give advice to the prior through CathInfo or just let it continue on its path? Keep in mind that we are talking about a person who is very vindictive. 

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    Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
    « Reply #1 on: June 10, 2019, 09:51:54 AM »
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  • What products is he selling that you aren’t buying?


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    Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
    « Reply #2 on: June 10, 2019, 10:13:02 AM »
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  • What products is he selling that you aren’t buying?
    I called them "products" because anything you are trying to convince people of doing for you is like a "product" you are selling.
    For example, he wants people to go to his Ignatian Retreats in Sanford, he wants people to go on the parish pilgrimage, people to set up booths at the parish International cooking festival..... He wants people to clean, repair, maintain the property, plant trees, cut down trees...….
    Those are activities that are done in St. Mary's which has 5000 parishioners,  not 200 like Sanford. 

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    Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
    « Reply #3 on: June 10, 2019, 10:22:20 AM »
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  • I called them "products" because anything you are trying to convince people of doing for you is like a "product" you are selling.
    For example, he wants people to go to his Ignatian Retreats in Sanford, he wants people to go on the parish pilgrimage, people to set up booths at the parish International cooking festival..... He wants people to clean, repair, maintain the property, plant trees, cut down trees...….
    Those are activities that are done in St. Mary's which has 5000 parishioners,  not 200 like Sanford.
    You are ungrateful. It is because the ungrateful and lazy congregation full of do-nothings that forces the priest to ask in the first place.

    It's like this: nobody, or not enough people clean, maintains the chapel, or basically even takes care of the most basic of necessities, so that when the priest is forced to ask for help, you throw a tizzy. This behavior is only too typical of ungrateful people. You must be a democrat.
     

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    Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
    « Reply #4 on: June 10, 2019, 10:22:30 AM »
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  • I called them "products" because anything you are trying to convince people of doing for you is like a "product" you are selling.
    For example, he wants people to go to his Ignatian Retreats in Sanford, he wants people to go on the parish pilgrimage, people to set up booths at the parish International cooking festival..... He wants people to clean, repair, maintain the property, plant trees, cut down trees...….
    Those are activities that are done in St. Mary's which has 5000 parishioners,  not 200 like Sanford.

    He's not taking into account that not everyone is capable of all this due to their duties of state.  I would love to help out more at our church, but simply cannot at this point in my life.  I've known other SSPX priests who also "burned out" their parishioners with excessive activity.  Help inspire them to sanctify themselves, and everything else may (or may not) follow, but the key mission of this priest is to save souls, and sanctify them, not to run a business venture.


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    Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
    « Reply #5 on: June 10, 2019, 10:31:03 AM »
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  • He's not taking into account that not everyone is capable of all this due to their duties of state.  I would love to help out more at our church, but simply cannot at this point in my life.  I've known other SSPX priests who also "burned out" their parishioners with excessive activity.  Help inspire them to sanctify themselves, and everything else may (or may not) follow, but the key mission of this priest is to save souls, and sanctify them, not to run a business venture.
    And as the place breaks down and completely deteriorates due to the majority who would love to help out more but simply cannot at this point in their life?

    No, we are duty bound to put money in the basket crisis or not, and help out cleaning/funding/etc., due to the crisis. For those who are too inconvenienced, then they are to hire and pay for cleaning crew, lawn care, janitors and etc., it's either that, or get off your lazy butts and get in there and do what needs to be done - when you can. But do not dis the priest, you are the ones forcing him to ask for that which he would never ask for if the parishioners did their duty. As it is, they only show their ingratitude for what they have.

       

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    « Reply #6 on: June 10, 2019, 11:13:42 AM »
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  • And as the place breaks down and completely deteriorates due to the majority who would love to help out more but simply cannot at this point in their life?

    No, we are duty bound to put money in the basket crisis or not, and help out cleaning/funding/etc., due to the crisis. For those who are too inconvenienced, then they are to hire and pay for cleaning crew, lawn care, janitors and etc., it's either that, or get off your lazy butts and get in there and do what needs to be done - when you can. But do not dis the priest, you are the ones forcing him to ask for that which he would never ask for if the parishioners did their duty. As it is, they only show their ingratitude for what they have.

      

    You're a sactimonious, self-righteous hypocrite, the kind Jesus condemned regularly.  I'm sure there are some who could do more to help, while others cannot.  For this size of chapel, there's an excessive amount of activity.  I'm not talking about the required basics, such as cleaning & maintenance, etc.  But the retreats, pilgrimages, and booths.  Not everyone can do all that, especially with such few people at that chapel.  You're not the aforementioned pastor, are you?

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    « Reply #7 on: June 10, 2019, 11:43:30 AM »
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  • You're a sactimonious, self-righteous hypocrite, the kind Jesus condemned regularly.  I'm sure there are some who could do more to help, while others cannot.  For this size of chapel, there's an excessive amount of activity.  I'm not talking about the required basics, such as cleaning & maintenance, etc.  But the retreats, pilgrimages, and booths.  Not everyone can do all that, especially with such few people at that chapel.  You're not the aforementioned pastor, are you?
    And you'll be without a chapel, then you won't have to listen the priest ask for a thing ever again, apparently, that's what you want.

    The thing you really need to do, if it is not too inconvenient for you, and by all means be sure this does not inconvenience you too terribly bad, is come up with a way for them to support the physical and monetary needs of the chapel, without the beneficiaries doing anything, or inconveniencing them too much. Until then, about all you can do is continue whining about the priest asking the beneficiaries to do their duty.


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    Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
    « Reply #8 on: June 10, 2019, 11:48:37 AM »
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  • You are ungrateful. It is because the ungrateful and lazy congregation full of do-nothings that forces the priest to ask in the first place.

    It's like this: nobody, or not enough people clean, maintains the chapel, or basically even takes care of the most basic of necessities, so that when the priest is forced to ask for help, you throw a tizzy. This behavior is only too typical of ungrateful people. You must be a democrat.
     
    For the record I am the OP and I will now make my second posting in reply to the above quote. 
    That posting is the kind of vitriol that I am talking about. No one will want to help anyone that considers people garbage like that posting reveals. 

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    Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
    « Reply #9 on: June 10, 2019, 12:05:58 PM »
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  • For the record I am the OP and I will now make my second posting in reply to the above quote.
    That posting is the kind of vitriol that I am talking about. No one will want to help anyone that considers people garbage like that posting reveals.
    Yep, ungrateful.

    You don't like hearing him ask for that which the people should readily have supplied without being asked. This leaves you with the following choices: 1) leave 2) start helping clean the place and raise funds 3) do nothing but whine and blame the priest because you need to be asked to do your part.

    Truth to you is vitriol, same as the priest asking you to do your part. :facepalm:


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    Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
    « Reply #10 on: June 10, 2019, 12:32:55 PM »
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  • I have a question for you people in CathInfo. I go to the SSPX Sanford chapel, and have seen the prior getting worse and worse in his vitriolic sermons complaining about anything that is not working according to his desires and he blames the parishioners for everything, never thinking that if the parishioners are not buying into something it is because the product is not attractive. It is anguishing to see the prior open his mouth, with his every word he sinks deeper and deeper into his hate of the parishioners for not buying his "products".

    Should I give advice to the prior through CathInfo or just let it continue on its path? Keep in mind that we are talking about a person who is very vindictive.
    No, you should give advice to your priest in person, fact-to-face. Be constructive in you criticism, such as suggesting he ask the parishioners which extra-non-essential activity they would like to do. But as for the necessities, like cleaning and maintenance, that you all need to do. Try to encourage each other to do their part. Suggest alternatives, such as chipping in to hire someone for the tougher jobs, or to volunteer hours that are better for your. schedule. Example, "Sorry Father, I cannot make it to work day this Saturday but I can help for 2 hours each 1st Saturday anytime after 2 PM and before 7 PM".


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    Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
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  • For the record I am the OP and I will now make my second posting in reply to the above quote.
    That posting is the kind of vitriol that I am talking about. No one will want to help anyone that considers people garbage like that posting reveals.
    Snowflake.

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    Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
    « Reply #12 on: June 10, 2019, 01:58:44 PM »
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  • Yes. There's a post complaining about the Sanford FL chapel often. 

    If you're in the US, you have the luxury of being near a weekly Mass — something that people not in your shoes may only get once a year if they're lucky.

    Offer it to God and suck it up.

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    Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
    « Reply #13 on: June 10, 2019, 02:50:08 PM »
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  • This is the OP making his third posting.

    Someone came on here and changed the direction of the OP to a complaint about too much work, but I never complained about too much work. The parishioners  in the Sanford chapel are by far the most generous people I have ever known, the work they’ve done in the last 15 years building that place is mind boggling for such a small congregation. The priory was 2000 square foot  house, and recently they paid well over $600,000 to make a 2000 square foot addition to the priory. That’s a 4000 sq ft home (in Florida!) for 6 men! Theirs is no way you could call the parishioners anything but astronomical generous.  The writer has contributed as much as the most generous.

    The reason for my posting was to tell the prior that honey attracts more bees than vinegar. All I here every week in sermons is hateful insults to the parishioners. That is not going to get good results.

    Here’s an example, the prior was complaining that no one from Sanford has signed up for the retreat, and he called them cowards and lovers of a comfort life in air condition, among other insults. That is what I call vitriol.

    Here is what  should have been said instead, very few people from Sanford have signed up for the Ignatian Retreats, please do not wait till the last minute to sign up, as we need to prepare the lodging and food and other preparations. For those of you who do not know what an Ignatian Retreat is, it is this……….. (explain its history, and every detail , like why it is a silent retreat etc. and the reason why it is vital for a take the time off from the world). Explain how they have beautiful retreat houses in Los Gatos California and Ridgefield Connecticut, that of course our facilities in Sanford do not compare, but we have made them available for those that can’t afford the travel expenses. Our meals in Sanford  though are far superior to Los Gatos and Ridgefield!

    I hope the prior can see the difference between the two methods and learns to refrain from using vinegar in the future.  

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    Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
    « Reply #14 on: June 10, 2019, 03:08:48 PM »
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  • Sounds like said prior might be on this thread.

     

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