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Offline Nadir

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Re: If according to doctors, another pregnancy was potentially lethal..
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2019, 10:38:57 PM »
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    • You heard it said, repeated it but can't back it up with evidence so it is still hearsay regardless of the doctor's experience. As I said, if you find some evidence let me know.
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    Re: If according to doctors, another pregnancy was potentially lethal..
    « Reply #31 on: July 01, 2019, 11:00:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on July 01, 2019, 10:38:57 PM
    You heard it said, repeated it but can't back it up with evidence so it is still hearsay regardless of the doctor's experience. As I said, if you find some evidence let me know.
    I cannot find anything on the internet.  What I get is lots of talk about
    pregnancy and the vegetarian diet, but nothing about the childbirth
    experience of vegetarians.  So, I guess you can call it hearsay, for now.
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    I could ask my vegan doctor via email but he does not respond quickly.
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    Re: If according to doctors, another pregnancy was potentially lethal..
    « Reply #32 on: July 02, 2019, 08:30:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mega-fin on July 01, 2019, 07:43:15 AM
    Voluntary abstinence during fertile periods is no different from contraception.

    Not to preach NFP, but I have to call you out on your error here. Periodic abstinence during fertile periods is NOT the same as contraception. Contraception is the deliberate frustration of the procreative aspect of the marriage act. It is separating the unitive and procreative aspects, by deliberately and artificially removing the procreative aspect out of the equation. That is, by using chemicals, barriers, etc. By contraception, the husband and wife don't give/receive all they should in the act -- they positively exclude the possibility of children.
    That is not true when the act is done in a completely natural and normal manner, with no man-made artifices intervening.

    You can be against NFP, but let's not exaggerate. We are bound by truth here. If sticking with the truth makes NFP seem or sound permissible -- then *gasp* maybe it is! It wouldn't be the end of the world. What's more important is to NEVER deny a single truth.

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    Re: If according to doctors, another pregnancy was potentially lethal..
    « Reply #33 on: July 02, 2019, 09:49:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on July 02, 2019, 08:30:00 AM
    Not to preach NFP, but I have to call you out on your error here. Periodic abstinence during fertile periods is NOT the same as contraception. Contraception is the deliberate frustration of the procreative aspect of the marriage act. It is separating the unitive and procreative aspects, by deliberately and artificially removing the procreative aspect out of the equation. That is, by using chemicals, barriers, etc. By contraception, the husband and wife don't give/receive all they should in the act -- they positively exclude the possibility of children.
    That is not true when the act is done in a completely natural and normal manner, with no man-made artifices intervening.

    You can be against NFP, but let's not exaggerate. We are bound by truth here. If sticking with the truth makes NFP seem or sound permissible -- then *gasp* maybe it is! It wouldn't be the end of the world. What's more important is to NEVER deny a single truth.

    Matthew
    And while the Church says there are times when it is permissible, Fr Scott still concludes that “Whether it be through artificial or natural means that the first purpose of marriage is frustrated, such couples who are not willing to accept all the children God sends them do indeed fail to live up to their marriage vows”

    Accepting this isn’t denying truth or reality, it’s accepting a fact. 
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    Re: If according to doctors, another pregnancy was potentially lethal..
    « Reply #34 on: July 02, 2019, 04:56:09 PM »
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    • So, there are times when it is permissible.  And I do agree with serious reason.  And abstaining, is some cases could lean  to sin.  It is the attitude.  we regret we can not have a child at this time, or as a couple is our attitude to just, no more children.  It is a fine line and every time a woman sees her fertility signs, God is giving an invitation. How will the couple answer.  Nothing is wrong with abstaining, only when the attitude is selfish. 
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