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Author Topic: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?  (Read 13672 times)

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Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2019, 10:32:31 PM »
Should I give advice to the prior through CathInfo or just let it continue on its path?
This seems a strange way to go about things!

What do other attendees have to say? Why don't you take the bull by the horns and face the priest like a man? If others agree you could approach him  as a group, choosing the most diplomatic person as front man.
And be thankful you have a Mass to attend. So many of us have no spiritual consolation at all.

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Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2019, 01:55:05 AM »
Here’s an example, the prior was complaining that no one from Sanford has signed up for the retreat, and he called them cowards and lovers of a comfort life in air condition, among other insults. That is what I call vitriol.

Here is what  should have been said instead, very few people from Sanford have signed up for the Ignatian Retreats, please do not wait till the last minute to sign up, as we need to prepare the lodging and food and other preparations. For those of you who do not know what an Ignatian Retreat is, it is this……….. (explain its history, and every detail , like why it is a silent retreat etc. and the reason why it is vital for a take the time off from the world). Explain how they have beautiful retreat houses in Los Gatos California and Ridgefield Connecticut, that of course our facilities in Sanford do not compare, but we have made them available for those that can’t afford the travel expenses. Our meals in Sanford  though are far superior to Los Gatos and Ridgefield!
Constructive criticism shouldn't be taken as pointless complaining.
But, don't post it anonymously online. Go and tell him yourself. If your objective is the same as his -- to get people involved in these activities -- I don't see why he'd not appreciate suggestions.
He'd also probably do well to talk to individuals about what the obstacles are to their participation and see if any of those can be resolved.


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Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2019, 05:05:25 AM »
This is the OP making his third posting.

Someone came on here and changed the direction of the OP to a complaint about too much work, but I never complained about too much work. The parishioners  in the Sanford chapel are by far the most generous people I have ever known, the work they’ve done in the last 15 years building that place is mind boggling for such a small congregation. The priory was 2000 square foot  house, and recently they paid well over $600,000 to make a 2000 square foot addition to the priory. That’s a 4000 sq ft home (in Florida!) for 6 men! Theirs is no way you could call the parishioners anything but astronomical generous.  The writer has contributed as much as the most generous.

The reason for my posting was to tell the prior that honey attracts more bees than vinegar. All I here every week in sermons is hateful insults to the parishioners. That is not going to get good results.

Here’s an example, the prior was complaining that no one from Sanford has signed up for the retreat, and he called them cowards and lovers of a comfort life in air condition, among other insults. That is what I call vitriol.

Here is what  should have been said instead, very few people from Sanford have signed up for the Ignatian Retreats, please do not wait till the last minute to sign up, as we need to prepare the lodging and food and other preparations. For those of you who do not know what an Ignatian Retreat is, it is this……….. (explain its history, and every detail , like why it is a silent retreat etc. and the reason why it is vital for a take the time off from the world). Explain how they have beautiful retreat houses in Los Gatos California and Ridgefield Connecticut, that of course our facilities in Sanford do not compare, but we have made them available for those that can’t afford the travel expenses. Our meals in Sanford  though are far superior to Los Gatos and Ridgefield!

I hope the prior can see the difference between the two methods and learns to refrain from using vinegar in the future.  
Amazing. How long have you been a trad that his manner of speech offends you? Do you think you all deserve an apology for his manner of speech? Do you think that he should apologize to everyone for encouraging his congregation, his flock, his sheep to do some spiritual exercises? Or should he apologize to everyone for condemning the comforts they enjoy, perhaps at the expense of their souls? Or just apologize for saying what has to be said so clearly - for a priest with a heavy accent. What a meanie!  :heretic:

Here is this past Sunday's sermon where he speaks the truth. Listen at about 1:23:00 to 1:24:00, listen for just this one minute where what he says apparently pierces the souls of some Floridians. You want him to say the same thing only in a nicer way with softer words - so that the message might not get through at all or with out the same force?

It is no wonder that priest says what he says the way he says it, which is already much, much softer than I've heard from other trad priests in the past. If all the congregation is so easily offended or thinks this insults their intelligence, he must be going mad putting up with you all. That's how you *should* view it, try to look at it from his point of view and don't be so  easily offended.  


   

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Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2019, 05:45:27 AM »
Amazing. How long have you been a trad that his manner of speech offends you? Do you think you all deserve an apology for his manner of speech? Do you think that he should apologize to everyone for encouraging his congregation, his flock, his sheep to do some spiritual exercises? Or should he apologize to everyone for condemning the comforts they enjoy, perhaps at the expense of their souls? Or just apologize for saying what has to be said so clearly - for a priest with a heavy accent. What a meanie!  :heretic:

Here is this past Sunday's sermon where he speaks the truth. Listen at about 1:23:00 to 1:24:00, listen for just this one minute where what he says apparently pierces the souls of some Floridians. You want him to say the same thing only in a nicer way with softer words - so that the message might not get through at all or with out the same force?

It is no wonder that priest says what he says the way he says it, which is already much, much softer than I've heard from other trad priests in the past. If all the congregation is so easily offended or thinks this insults their intelligence, he must be going mad putting up with you all. That's how you *should* view it, try to look at it from his point of view and don't be so  easily offended.  


  
I think the priest shows a genuine concern for the souls at his church. He should understand that people, who are used to comforts like air conditioning, have a difficult time adapting when these things aren’t available. I, for one, have a serious problem sleeping when the room temperature is above 70 degrees. He is right however, that we need to withdraw ourselves from such a pampered lifestyle.

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Re: Sanford SSPX - should I just let it go?
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2019, 05:47:10 AM »
Amazing. How long have you been a trad that his manner of speech offends you? Do you think you all deserve an apology for his manner of speech? Do you think that he should apologize to everyone for encouraging his congregation, his flock, his sheep to do some spiritual exercises? Or should he apologize to everyone for condemning the comforts they enjoy, perhaps at the expense of their souls? Or just apologize for saying what has to be said so clearly - for a priest with a heavy accent. What a meanie!  :heretic:

Here is this past Sunday's sermon where he speaks the truth. Listen at about 1:23:00 to 1:24:00, listen for just this one minute where what he says apparently pierces the souls of some Floridians. You want him to say the same thing only in a nicer way with softer words - so that the message might not get through at all or with out the same force?

It is no wonder that priest says what he says the way he says it, which is already much, much softer than I've heard from other trad priests in the past. If all the congregation is so easily offended or thinks this insults their intelligence, he must be going mad putting up with you all. That's how you *should* view it, try to look at it from his point of view and don't be so  easily offended.  


  
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I think the priest shows a genuine concern for the souls at his church. He should understand that people, who are used to comforts like air conditioning, have a difficult time adapting when these things aren’t available. I, for one, have a serious problem sleeping when the room temperature is above 70 degrees. He is right however, that we need to withdraw ourselves from such a pampered lifestyle.