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Russain Old Believer of Sede?
« on: October 21, 2020, 01:35:00 PM »
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  • If the Novus Ordo starts marrying fαɢɢօts, would you go Eastern Orthodox or go sedevacantist? The Old Believers are appealing to me. Who do you think is more likely to be right, the Russians, or the sedevacantists?


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    Re: Russain Old Believer or Sede?
    « Reply #1 on: October 21, 2020, 01:36:05 PM »
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  • Sorry, in the subject line I wrote "of" instead of the intended "or"


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    Re: Russain Old Believer of Sede?
    « Reply #2 on: October 21, 2020, 01:37:52 PM »
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  • Maybe if the SSPX went sede in response to the fαɢɢօt marrying and they got together with all the other sedes and elected a pope, perhaps that would be more appealing.

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    Re: Russain Old Believer of Sede?
    « Reply #3 on: October 21, 2020, 05:01:56 PM »
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  • If the Novus Ordo starts marrying fαɢɢօts, would you go Eastern Orthodox or go sedevacantist? The Old Believers are appealing to me. Who do you think is more likely to be right, the Russians, or the sedevacantists?
    This is the effect of recognizing the Vatican II sect as the Catholic Church and Bergoglio as the Vicar of Christ: you’re actually willing to consider converting to the eastern schismatics.

    Look what’s happening to Steve Skojec. He has repeatedly, publicly doubted the legitimacy of the Catholic Faith. Believing that Bergoglio is the Roman Pontiff DESTROYS the claims of the Catholic Church. They believe it is better to have a blaspheming, manifest non-Catholic as “Pope” to obstinately refuse submission to rather than the see be vacant.

    It is impossible for the Catholic Church to defect, it has been revealed by God as the one true religion. But, it is possible that the See of Peter be usurped by an impostor.

    Also, why would this be the final straw? Since 2013, Bergoglio has spewed the most filthy blasphemies and heresies. He organized the public worship of pagan idol just a year ago, for crying out loud! 

    My guess is that he’s going to again do something outrageous in the near future, this issue will be forgotten about, and the process will repeat over and over again. 

    He could come out tomorrow and explicitly reject all the articles of the Apostles’ Creed and people would still insist he is infallibly the Pope and sedevacantists are hell-bound schismatics.  

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    Re: Russain Old Believer of Sede?
    « Reply #4 on: October 21, 2020, 05:12:28 PM »
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  • It is impossible for the Catholic Church to defect, it has been revealed by God as the one true religion. But, it is possible that the See of Peter be usurped by an impostor.
    But if sede-ism isn't a defection then defection has no meaning.


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    Re: Russain Old Believer of Sede?
    « Reply #5 on: October 21, 2020, 08:51:24 PM »
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  • This is the effect of recognizing the Vatican II sect as the Catholic Church and Bergoglio as the Vicar of Christ: you’re actually willing to consider converting to the eastern schismatics.

    Look what’s happening to Steve Skojec. He has repeatedly, publicly doubted the legitimacy of the Catholic Faith. Believing that Bergoglio is the Roman Pontiff DESTROYS the claims of the Catholic Church. They believe it is better to have a blaspheming, manifest non-Catholic as “Pope” to obstinately refuse submission to rather than the see be vacant.

    It is impossible for the Catholic Church to defect, it has been revealed by God as the one true religion. But, it is possible that the See of Peter be usurped by an impostor.

    Also, why would this be the final straw? Since 2013, Bergoglio has spewed the most filthy blasphemies and heresies. He organized the public worship of pagan idol just a year ago, for crying out loud!

    My guess is that he’s going to again do something outrageous in the near future, this issue will be forgotten about, and the process will repeat over and over again.

    He could come out tomorrow and explicitly reject all the articles of the Apostles’ Creed and people would still insist he is infallibly the Pope and sedevacantists are hell-bound schismatics.  
    I seriously doubt everyone going sede would get them to stop questioning EO.  The fact that over a billion Catholics (as to apperances) recognize this man as the Pope is inherently going to make people wonder at various times "what if we'd just be  better off without a Pope?"

    There is no easy solution to this.

    All that said I'll grant, the whole "sedes are damned" thing seems more like emotionalism than anything else, particularly when it comes from non feeneyites who think those who are visibly non Catholics or non Christians have at least an outside shot at salvation.  I've always been consistently tolerant of Sedes.

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    Re: Russain Old Believer of Sede?
    « Reply #6 on: October 21, 2020, 10:46:46 PM »
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  • The man who sits on the Throne of Peter does not serve the God of St. Peter.  Instead, he serves God’s Archenemy.  The Catholic Church is likened to a tree.  The tree is rotting from the crown down, which makes the branches, leaves, trunk, bark, roots subordinate parts.  The visible parts can be quite dead, even burnt off, chopped down, or rotted away and fallen, yet some of the root hairs alive.  
    I consider myself the lowest and smallest of root hairs.  If I tear myself off and attempt to join with another type of tree, however healthy looking at the moment, I deceive myself.  The graft won’t “take” and I will die.  If, however, I remain attached to the original rootball, take what nourishment I can from the soil, then I live on, although in a dormant state.  If I dry out and die, I die attached to the tree.  Other root hairs will be nourished by me.  The time will come when the Gardener will revive His nearly perished tree.  He will burn the dead wood and cause the roots still living, few as they may be, to sprout and grow again. Highly unlikely I’ll  be around to see it on earth, but I can see it from above.  If I sever myself and die amidst foreign soil, I will miss it.

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    Re: Russain Old Believer of Sede?
    « Reply #7 on: October 21, 2020, 10:58:59 PM »
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    The man who sits on the Throne of Peter does not serve the God of St. Peter.  Instead, he serves God’s Archenemy.  The Catholic Church is likened to a tree.  The tree is rotting from the crown down, which makes the branches, leaves, trunk, bark, roots subordinate parts.  The visible parts can be quite dead, even burnt off, chopped down, or rotted away and fallen, yet some of the root hairs alive.  
    I consider myself the lowest and smallest of root hairs.  If I tear myself off and attempt to join with another type of tree, however healthy looking at the moment, I deceive myself.  The graft won’t “take” and I will die.  If, however, I remain attached to the original rootball, take what nourishment I can from the soil, then I live on, although in a dormant state.  If I dry out and die, I die attached to the tree.  Other root hairs will be nourished by me.  The time will come when the Gardener will revive His nearly perished tree.  He will burn the dead wood and cause the roots still living, few as they may be, to sprout and grow again. Highly unlikely I’ll  be around to see it on earth, but I can see it from above.  If I sever myself and die amidst foreign soil, I will miss it.

    Just wondering, did you happen to see any strange looking mushrooms during a recent walk outside?
    And furthermore, did you happen to smoke them?

    Just wondering. No particular reason.
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    Re: Russain Old Believer of Sede?
    « Reply #8 on: October 21, 2020, 11:01:59 PM »
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    If the Novus Ordo starts marrying fαɢɢօts, would you go Eastern Orthodox or go sedevacantist? The Old Believers are appealing to me. Who do you think is more likely to be right, the Russians, or the sedevacantists?

    1. Why the binary dichotomy? Why are all other options off the table? Seems kind of artificial to me.
    2. So you're basically asking should you go schismatic (Eastern Orthodox) or merely imprudent, likely wrong, and BORDERLINE schismatic (sedevacantist).
    I think the choice is clear.

    But you need to watch who you're hanging around. "Old Believers" is a strange way to spell SCHISMATIC HERETICS ON THE ROAD TO HELL.
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    Re: Russain Old Believer of Sede?
    « Reply #9 on: October 21, 2020, 11:38:51 PM »
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  • Just wondering, did you happen to see any strange looking mushrooms during a recent walk outside?
    And furthermore, did you happen to smoke them?

    Just wondering. No particular reason.
    Too cryptic for you?
    And yes, I did notice a few old puffballs behind the woodshed where there was once a privy.  
    No, I did not smoke them.  Had I seen them maybe ten days ago, I’d have harvested them, but now they’re no good.  
    I love to eat puffballs thinly sliced, lightly fried with butter and garlic or chives.
    I have several cans of commercially purchased puffball powder, delicious in soups, stew, added to give body and richness to bread or rolls.  
    I doubt smoking it will produce “magic” results.  More likely, it will cause lung fungus.  Then there’ll be yet another COVID mutation!  Latin name, “Fungus lungus.”

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    Re: Russain Old Believer of Sede?
    « Reply #10 on: October 22, 2020, 05:40:17 AM »
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  • This is the effect of recognizing the Vatican II sect as the Catholic Church and Bergoglio as the Vicar of Christ: you’re actually willing to consider converting to the eastern schismatics.

    THIS^^^


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    Re: Russain Old Believer of Sede?
    « Reply #11 on: October 22, 2020, 05:46:09 AM »
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  • and BORDERLINE schismatic (sedevacantist).

    I grow weary of this charge.  Yes, there are certain dogmatic sedevacantists who flirt with schism ... by excluding from the Church people who do not adhere to all their arguments, the great excommunicators.

    Nevertheless, the sedevacantists in general are no more schismatic than the Catholics who sided with the wrong pope during the Great Western schism.  At worst theirs is a material error.  If the heretic Bergoglio is actually the pope, then they are in material schism.  But, guess what, so are the Resistance.  Paying lip service to a Pope does not constitute subjection or submission.  You totally reject, ignore, and thumb your nose at anything that comes from Bergoglio (materially speaking, rightly so).  But in recognizing him as a legitimate Pope while doing the same, completely ignoring him and refusing subjection, you are actually in great danger of FORMAL schism.  So, at worst, the sedevacantists (non-dogmatic) are at risk of material schism, but the Resistance (R&R) are at grave risk of FORMAL schism ... except of course those who follow the position of Fr. Chazal, who has articulated that the V2 "Popes" do not have any authority on account of heresy.

    I love how you and Johnson keep throwing out the "schismatic" word gratuitously.  Back it up or shut up.  I have articulated why R&R is at risk of formal schism.  Your charge of schism is the result of begging the question and assuming that these men are legitimate Church authorities.  IF your happen to be right about their legitimacy, then they would be in material schism ... but ONLY IF you're right.