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Re: Rome and the Validity of Thuc Bishops
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2019, 10:13:43 AM »
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  • “3)...the Church does not nor shall it recognize their ordination...”

    Uhm, no.  What it's clearly saying is that the Vatican doesn't care about the validity of the orders since it considers them canonically illicit.  Regardless of the validity of their orders, etc.

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    Re: Rome and the Validity of Thuc Bishops
    « Reply #16 on: April 15, 2019, 10:15:05 AM »
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  • There's an at least tacit recognition of validity, since the excommunication would not technically apply if the orders were not validly conferred.


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    Re: Rome and the Validity of Thuc Bishops
    « Reply #17 on: April 15, 2019, 10:20:47 AM »
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  • Uhm, no.  What it's clearly saying is that the Vatican doesn't care about the validity of the orders since it considers them canonically illicit.  Regardless of the validity of their orders, etc.
    ...which it explicitly stated it does not recognize 

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    Re: Rome and the Validity of Thuc Bishops
    « Reply #18 on: April 15, 2019, 11:05:57 AM »
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  • More diabolic confusion. 

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    Re: Rome and the Validity of Thuc Bishops
    « Reply #19 on: April 15, 2019, 11:24:19 AM »
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  • ...which it explicitly stated it does not recognize

    False.  You need to learn how to read.

    This phrase here --
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    whatever about the validity of the orders

    basically means, "whatever you want to say about the validity of the orders", i.e. "say what you want about the validity of the orders", i.e., prescinding from any consideration of their validity.

    In other words, the Vatican was merely referring to the fact that they're legally illicit without having done any investigation into their validity.

    In some cases, the Vatican allowed Thuc priests back into "the fold" without requiring conditional ordination.


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    Re: Rome and the Validity of Thuc Bishops
    « Reply #20 on: April 15, 2019, 11:57:45 AM »
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  • ...which it then follows with an explicit statement that it does not recognize their validity.

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    Re: Rome and the Validity of Thuc Bishops
    « Reply #21 on: April 15, 2019, 02:38:42 PM »
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  • ...which it then follows with an explicit statement that it does not recognize their validity.

    Wrong again.  It just says the Church does not recognize the ordinations, secundum quid not being specified, and the clue is that it's immediately followed by references to juridical effects ...

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    as regards all juridical effects, it considers them in the state which each one had previously

     

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