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Re: Reducing prayer life?
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2024, 10:21:27 PM »
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  • "Should" and "try" don't bind. It's something to aim for if you can. 15 decades is about 45 minutes to an hour. Add in morning and evening prayers, plus the novena or litany of the day/season, plus maybe another daily devotion of one's choosing (say, for the souls in Purgatory), and it gets up there around two hours anyway.

    So people here don't have to speculate, what were the priest's exact words, even if you don't want to name him?

    Disagree.  Anyone who is going through 15 Decades in that short amount of time is most likely doing it irreverrantly or just "trying to get it done," I should know I've done them like this before.  It should take roughly an hour and a half (give or take about 5 minutes) if we are saying the prayers slowly and deliberately and briefly meditating on the mysteries like we're supposed to.

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  • Disagree.  Anyone who is going through 15 Decades in that short amount of time is most likely doing it irreverrantly or just "trying to get it done," I should know I've done them like this before.  It should take roughly an hour and a half (give or take about 5 minutes) if we are saying the prayers slowly and deliberately and briefly meditating on the mysteries like we're supposed to.
    I like the way +Fellay said it, although I don't remember the exact quote, he likened praying the rosary to being at a play where the the mysteries are like the big stage and our main focus throughout, the prayers are like the background music.


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    Re: Reducing prayer life?
    « Reply #32 on: October 03, 2024, 09:26:18 AM »
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  • Disagree.  Anyone who is going through 15 Decades in that short amount of time is most likely doing it irreverrantly or just "trying to get it done," I should know I've done them like this before.  It should take roughly an hour and a half (give or take about 5 minutes) if we are saying the prayers slowly and deliberately and briefly meditating on the mysteries like we're supposed to.

    Yet if the necessary disposition is missing, clocking in at that minimum hour and a half is no guarantee either, even if a person is enunciating out loud and kneeling in public in a group. The externals are only the supports toward the goal, not the goal itself. Our Lady knows whether someone has prayed well or not.

    Better advice is from St. Louis de Montfort, especially re this thread, the section beginning with Forty-First Rose, With a Purity of Intention. Here are the first few paragraphs:

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    It is not so much the length of a prayer, but the fervor with which it is said which pleases Almighty God and touches His Heart. One single Hail Mary that is said properly is worth more than one hundred and fifty that are badly said. Most Catholics say the Rosary, the whole fifteen mysteries or five of them anyway or, at least a few decades. So why is it then that so few of them give up their sins and go forward in the spiritual life? Surely it must be because they are not saying them as they should. It is a good thing to think over how we should pray if we really want to please God and become more holy.
     
    To say the Holy Rosary to advantage one must be in a state of grace or at the very least be fully determined to give up mortal sin. This we know because all our theology teaches us that good works and prayers are only dead works if they are done in a state of mortal sin. Therefore they can neither be pleasing to God nor help us gain eternal life. This is why Ecclesiastes says: "Praise is not seemly in the mouth of a sinner." [1] Praise of God and the salutation of the Angel and the very Prayer of Jesus Christ are not pleasing to God when they are said by unrepentant sinners.

    Our Lord said: "This people honoreth Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me." [2] It is as though He was saying: "Those who join My Confraternity and say their Rosary every day (even perhaps the fifteen decades), but without being sorry for their sins offer Me lip service only and their hearts are far from Me."

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    Re: Reducing prayer life?
    « Reply #33 on: October 03, 2024, 09:46:41 AM »
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    15 decades is about 45 minutes to an hour.
    This is excessively SHORT to you?  In my experience, this is about the avg.



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    It should take roughly an hour and a half (give or take about 5 minutes) if we are saying the prayers slowly and deliberately and briefly meditating on the mysteries like we're supposed to.
    An hour and a half is excessively long.  Saying such "slowly and deliberately" is not necessary.  But also, speeding through the words is not good either. 


    I think the missing piece here is that, when you are saying 1 hail mary prayer, then you can say that slowly and deliberately, because your focus is on the prayer itself.
    But when you are saying the rosary as a whole, your focus should not be on the hail mary WORDS, but on the MEDITATION of the mysteries.  Which means that, saying the Hail Mary a little faster (but not speeding through it) is a normal and typical response of the human mind, because anything done repetitively, usually (over time) gets done quicker.  But saying multiple hail mary's faster than normal is not wrong, because your mind should not be focused on the words, but on the mental mysteries of the Faith.

    That's why the Rosary is repetitious in the first place...to make mental prayer possible.  (That's why the buddists chant "ohmm" over and over).  If each prayer of the rosary changed a lot, then the mind would be preoccupied with the change in prayers, and meditating would be impossible.

    Honestly, if you are concentrating on saying the hail mary's slowly and deliberately then I don't see how you're meditating very well.  Practically, it's impossible to do both.

    No offense.

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    Re: Reducing prayer life?
    « Reply #34 on: October 03, 2024, 10:37:00 AM »
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  • It takes me at least 20 minutes for 5 decades (and I would consider it average speed) , so I would think 15 decades would take about an hour.


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    Re: Reducing prayer life?
    « Reply #35 on: October 04, 2024, 12:05:04 AM »
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  • This is excessively SHORT to you?  In my experience, this is about the avg.


    An hour and a half is excessively long.  Saying such "slowly and deliberately" is not necessary.  But also, speeding through the words is not good either. 


    I think the missing piece here is that, when you are saying 1 hail mary prayer, then you can say that slowly and deliberately, because your focus is on the prayer itself.
    But when you are saying the rosary as a whole, your focus should not be on the hail mary WORDS, but on the MEDITATION of the mysteries.  Which means that, saying the Hail Mary a little faster (but not speeding through it) is a normal and typical response of the human mind, because anything done repetitively, usually (over time) gets done quicker.  But saying multiple hail mary's faster than normal is not wrong, because your mind should not be focused on the words, but on the mental mysteries of the Faith.

    That's why the Rosary is repetitious in the first place...to make mental prayer possible.  (That's why the buddists chant "ohmm" over and over).  If each prayer of the rosary changed a lot, then the mind would be preoccupied with the change in prayers, and meditating would be impossible.

    Honestly, if you are concentrating on saying the hail mary's slowly and deliberately then I don't see how you're meditating very well.  Practically, it's impossible to do both.

    No offense.


    I still disagree but I do see the points you and Soubirous are making.  Remember I used to do them the fast way and could get them done in about 50-55 minutes or so but I was also blowing through the prayers like the micro machine guy and there's no reverence in that and it shows a hurried mind that just wants to get things done.  Now I do agree with you and Soubirous that a good disposition is necessary and I'm not saying everyone has to clock in at exactly an hour and a half each time either with prayers said at the exact same length, etc.

    As far as the bolded it's actually the opposite.  Saying it slowly and deliberately is the reason one can mental prayer The Rosary.  Going through the prayers too quickly gives no pause or reverence for what is actually being said during the Hail Mary and there is minimal, if any, mental prayer involved in the fast method.  Meditating on the mysteries is done when each mystery is announced and before the next set of prayers (Our Father, Hail Mary, etc.) are started and that accounts for the longer length as well as one could meditate on each mystery for up to several minutes if doing mental prayer.  So in doing it like that one is doing mental prayer with the Hail Mary and The Mysteries.  Yes it takes a little longer but you are getting more mental prayer as a result.  

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    « Reply #36 on: October 04, 2024, 12:11:05 AM »
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  • I still disagree but I do see the points you and Soubirous are making.  Remember I used to do them the fast way and could get them done in about 50-55 minutes or so but I was also blowing through the prayers like the micro machine guy and there's no reverence in that and it shows a hurried mind that just wants to get things done.  Now I do agree with you and Soubirous that a good disposition is necessary and I'm not saying everyone has to clock in at exactly an hour and a half each time either with prayers said at the exact same length, etc.

    As far as the bolded it's actually the opposite.  Saying it slowly and deliberately is the reason one can mental prayer The Rosary.  Going through the prayers too quickly gives no pause or reverence for what is actually being said during the Hail Mary and there is minimal, if any, mental prayer involved in the fast method.  Meditating on the mysteries is done when each mystery is announced and before the next set of prayers (Our Father, Hail Mary, etc.) are started and that accounts for the longer length as well as one could meditate on each mystery for up to several minutes if doing mental prayer.  So in doing it like that one is doing mental prayer with the Hail Mary and The Mysteries.  Yes it takes a little longer but you are getting more mental prayer as a result. 
    I will probably drop the Divine Office from my prayers. I have noticed that most of my prayers are rushed, the Rosary only takes me 7-11 minutes.... perhaps if I do less I can do more if that makes sense? My personalty also doesn't help as I like to 'get things done' so it's hard for me to slow down. 

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    Re: Reducing prayer life?
    « Reply #37 on: October 04, 2024, 07:30:20 AM »
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  • Prayer life is an all-day thing. It doesn't start and stop depending on whether or not you're holding a rosary or a Divine Office book.
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus


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    Re: Reducing prayer life?
    « Reply #38 on: October 04, 2024, 10:45:15 AM »
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  • I still disagree but I do see the points you and Soubirous are making.  Remember I used to do them the fast way and could get them done in about 50-55 minutes or so but I was also blowing through the prayers like the micro machine guy and there's no reverence in that and it shows a hurried mind that just wants to get things done.  Now I do agree with you and Soubirous that a good disposition is necessary and I'm not saying everyone has to clock in at exactly an hour and a half each time either with prayers said at the exact same length, etc.

    As far as the bolded it's actually the opposite.  Saying it slowly and deliberately is the reason one can mental prayer The Rosary.  Going through the prayers too quickly gives no pause or reverence for what is actually being said during the Hail Mary and there is minimal, if any, mental prayer involved in the fast method.  Meditating on the mysteries is done when each mystery is announced and before the next set of prayers (Our Father, Hail Mary, etc.) are started and that accounts for the longer length as well as one could meditate on each mystery for up to several minutes if doing mental prayer.  So in doing it like that one is doing mental prayer with the Hail Mary and The Mysteries.  Yes it takes a little longer but you are getting more mental prayer as a result. 
    It depends on the person.  We each need to find our perfect fit with God.  We are all unique.  If a person with ADHD (I don't like these terms because I think it just results from natural personality differences) went super slow, they would never finish the rosary because there would be too much space for getting distracted.  We know when we are not doing what we should and then we adapt.  This is why there are so many options for prayer.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Reducing prayer life?
    « Reply #39 on: October 07, 2024, 08:05:06 AM »
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    Going through the prayers too quickly gives no pause or reverence for what is actually being said during the Hail Mary 

    It is impossible to concentrate on what is being said in the Hail Mary prayer, while simultaneously meditating on Christ's Resurrection, as an example.  So what you're describing is a meditation on the Hail Mary, but it's not typical meditation on the MYSTERIES of the Rosary.

    The common understanding of "meditating on the Rosary" is not to meditate on the Hail Mary, but to fix your mind on the mysteries...not the words of the Hail Mary.  


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    and there is minimal, if any, mental prayer involved in the fast method.  

    You can say the Hail Mary at "normal conversation speed" and this is not irreverent. 


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    Meditating on the mysteries is done when each mystery is announced and before the next set of prayers (Our Father, Hail Mary, etc.) are started and that accounts for the longer length 

    No, this is not meditation.  If you're including a "pause" before each mystery, to meditate, then 
    1) I understand why the rosary takes so long.
    2) This pause isn't required, but it's also not wrong.  It's a private devotional decision.  Any rosary that is said "in church" never has this pause because it's not the normal way.
    3) Meditating BEFORE the decade of that mystery is said, is not the *normal* way to meditate.
    4) The normal way, is to *NOT* concentrate on the 10 hail mary's of each decade, but to 100% focus on the mystery itself.  For all 10 prayers.  


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    as well as one could meditate on each mystery for up to several minutes if doing mental prayer.  So in doing it like that one is doing mental prayer with the Hail Mary and The Mysteries.  Yes it takes a little longer but you are getting more mental prayer as a result. 
    You're going overboard here.  Again, there's nothing wrong with it, but as long as you understand it's not the Church/saint approved way.  The mental prayer is supposed to happen WHILE you're saying the Hail Mary.  Doing both is too much, and too OCD, in my opinion.


    Maybe it's fine for a private (you alone) devotion.  I hope you're not pushing this "method" on your family or anyone else.  It's just excessive. 

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    Re: Reducing prayer life?
    « Reply #40 on: October 07, 2024, 10:19:04 PM »
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  • It is impossible to concentrate on what is being said in the Hail Mary prayer, while simultaneously meditating on Christ's Resurrection, as an example.

    Naw man.  It's doable.  One can combine it all together.  For instance let's say we're meditating on the first mystery.  The Annunciation.  You can say 'Hail Mary', then a brief meditation about this Angelic Salutation that took part during this mystery, 'full of Grace,' then a brief meditation about how this salutation was brought about by St. Gabriel the Archangel.  'The Lord is with thee' then a brief mediation of how she is sinless and The Lord is with her and how she is about to give her fiat where The Lord will be literally with her in her womb.  'Blessed art thou amongst women' and a brief mediation on how this mystery couldn't have occurred to anyone else, etc.  I think you get the idea.  You can do this with every mystery of The Rosary.

    So what you're describing is a meditation on the Hail Mary, but it's not typical meditation on the MYSTERIES of the Rosary.

    It's both fam. 

    The common understanding of "meditating on the Rosary" is not to meditate on the Hail Mary, but to fix your mind on the mysteries...not the words of the Hail Mary.

     Fair enough. 

    You can say the Hail Mary at "normal conversation speed" and this is not irreverent.

     I agree.  I never said otherwise.  Again, I've done this before of varying speeds.  Normal conversational speed would have you finishing about 1 hour to 1 hour 10 minutes or so.  Some people are doing 45 minutes!  That's micro machine guy speed.  I should know I used to blow through the prayers and do them as fast as I could and I'm a fast talker and the fastest I could do it was 50 minutes. 

    No, this is not meditation.  If you're including a "pause" before each mystery, to meditate, then
    1) I understand why the rosary takes so long.
    2) This pause isn't required, but it's also not wrong.  It's a private devotional decision.  Any rosary that is said "in church" never has this pause because it's not the normal way.
    3) Meditating BEFORE the decade of that mystery is said, is not the *normal* way to meditate.
    4) The normal way, is to *NOT* concentrate on the 10 hail mary's of each decade, but to 100% focus on the mystery itself.  For all 10 prayers. 

    Fair enough although your first line is contradictory.  You say it's not mediation then you imply that it is. 

    You're going overboard here.  Again, there's nothing wrong with it, but as long as you understand it's not the Church/saint approved way.  The mental prayer is supposed to happen WHILE you're saying the Hail Mary.  Doing both is too much, and too OCD, in my opinion.

    I disagree.  There's never "too much" time to spend with the Blessed Virgin Mary in Her beautiful Rosary. I will stand firmly on this especially on this day of The Most Holy Rosary.  

    Maybe it's fine for a private (you alone) devotion.  I hope you're not pushing this "method" on your family or anyone else.  It's just excessive.

    It is fine.  I don't "push" the method but I will share that this is how I do it if anyone asks (so far no one has.)  But again, I don't think spending more time with The Blessed Virgin Mary is "excessive."

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    Re: Reducing prayer life?
    « Reply #41 on: October 08, 2024, 07:58:12 AM »
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  • I think I may be doing too much for a layperson.

    Between morning/evening prayers, 3x rosary, daily spiritual reading, a few other small prayers and the Divine Office I am starting to feel very wearied. I think the Divine Office might be the biggest thing for me the cut out (not the first cut i've made), though I have only been saying it for over a year now, at first I was very fervent in my prayer life but was the years have gone by I have become much more lukewarm to the point that my prayers feel like a chore that I 'have to do' (and I do make sure I do them). I am also noticeably more distracted in prayer than when I started, even meditating on the mysteries of the rosary feel impossible, I can only think upon the same events so many times before it became dull and without new insights, and also between meditating and saying the Hail Marys it is difficult to focus on both.

    I just feel so tired.

    I feel your pain! I know exactly what you are speaking about. 

    I've prayed the Divine Office for 30 years. There have been times when it became so burdensome to me that I had to put it down and stop praying it for a while, in order to give myself a break. At those times, I found I was hungry for variety in my spiritual life. I wanted to do more study of the Faith, and do more spiritual reading. When that need arose, I looked to it. Ultimately, however, the Divine Office always called me back; and I always went back. I always go back to it, because the original reasons for praying it remain. Indeed, they strengthen themselves, as things get worse and worse and worse in the world. The power of the Divine Office over the Heart and Will of God will never weaken, no matter how much I weaken, no matter how much my flesh revolts against its yoke. 

    Consider that both the Rosary and the Divine Office are vocal prayer. They do not nourish the soul the same way mental prayer does. I have been told by my confessor that too much vocal prayer will always lead to spiritual fatigue. 

    Clearly, by your post, you are suffering from some kind of fatigue. Also, from some of your other recent posts, I discern that your life is changing in some way, from the inside out. It seems you are changing in your interior, beginning from the inside to contemplate another kind of life - namely marriage. This is all very good. 

    It seems to me that you should listen to your alarm bells, and to your current state of depletion. Take a break from the Breviary, just to give your mind and spirit some refreshment.

    I will give you some advice now about the Rosary, which has enriched it for me, and has saved me from fatigue where it is concerned. I had to admit long ago that I am incapable of meditating on the Mysteries of the Rosary. I simply cannot, and that's final. Like you say, the mind wanders, and the mind also feels exhausted having to go over the same lines of thought day in and day out.

    Long time ago, I began to combine spiritual reading or listening to spiritual books/conferences with my Rosary. I read a little, and while thinking about what I read, I pray some beads. I go back and forth. It's very nourishing. I'm getting the spiritual reading and the Rosary in together. The combination does wonders for both. 

    On days when I am strapped for time, I will omit this practice and just say the Rosary by rote. I do not feel guilty about this at all. My intention in fidelity to the Rosary is to love and honor our Lady and obey Her requests. I would much rather pray 15 Decades rotely, than not get the 15 Decades in because I was unable to meditate them properly.

    If you are praying the Rosary and the Divine Office, and are combining spiritual reading and meditation/mental prayer with the Rosary, by all means you are doing enough. I would cut out all other vocal prayer. Have a general intention in your mind for all that you do, and leave it at that. 

    As far as praying the Office after marriage, or if you have a demanding career, all I can say is that the career never impeded me, but marriage and children certainly would have. I imagine that one's prayer life must change somewhat after marriage, especially because you would want to cultivate a spirit of prayer and a system of communal prayer in the home. Yes, you do not forego spiritual reading and mental prayer in solitude - even if you just grab what you can when you can - but I think that a family praying together means a lot more than 15 minutes each day to check off 5 Decades. It means Catholic culture and civilization pervading the entire system of familial intercourse, which demands involvement that would make the whole Divine Office every day very difficult.  

    Priests and those under an obligation to pray the Divine Office - by Orders or by Monastic Rule -  get graces to remain faithful to it. They also have the ability to organize their lives around it. Nevertheless, I'm sure that they also have to struggle to remain faithful to it. Our priests are crazy busy. Many have to teach in schools. They travel. They are put upon by excessive demands. And I'm sure they suffer spiritual fatigue from days and years saying the same Offices over and over and over. And yet they persevere. I'm sure over time their spirits sweeten and they find the burden very light, but it's impossible for me to imagine that they do not have to go through serious struggles when the first fervor wears off.  

    I do believe that anyone who asks for the grace to persevere in a spiritual work will get that grace, if God wills the work. Yet, how can it not be that the resolve will be tried, and often seriously? I will tell you that I now have all the time in the world to pray the Breviary every day. I am retired, and live alone. I make my own schedule. I have no demands on me that preclude it. And yet, my dear!!!!!! I have never found it so difficult as now to pray it! It often feels like a horrible burden that I just want to throw off - and I do throw it off! There are days when I throw it off, and am able to do no more that spit out 15 Decades by rote. Surely, it has to be the old man, the flesh, and the devil behind such repugnance in my case.    

    I tell you this because I want to make it clear to you that your flesh hates the Breviary; and the more you pray it, the more it hates it. Your flesh will never grow to like it, or to enjoy it, or to look forward to it. The devil hates the Breviary also, especially when the praise of God has pretty much gone out all over the world now. He will collude with your flesh to make it as miserable and unpleasant as possible. Believe me.

    Is the Divine Office a Cross? Yes!

    Remember your first fervor!!! Remember the reasons you picked up the banner a year ago. No matter what it is in the spiritual life, the first fervor will wear off, and a trial will replace it - a trial of perseverance when the pleasure recedes. 

    Thus I suggest to you this measure: Do your original reasons still hold? Certainly your life has not materially changed. It has only begun to change interiorly, by way of anticipation. If the reasons still hold, then take a break to refresh yourself, and decide whether or not you want to continue. If you do, I promise you that it will continue to feel like a burden going forward - because it is a burden. "Take My yoke upon you, for My yoke is easy and My burden light ...  If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me."

    You are contemplating marriage these days. Let your experience with the Divine Office be for you a prophet and a guide. Marriage will begin with a first fervor, and then you and your spouse will be tested like there's no tomorrow. There will be days in your commitment to her that are fulfilled by the merest and most rote adherence to your material obligations. Marriage and family life will be very fatiguing at times, and as the years role along, as children are born, as life claws and wears away your very nerves, you will be called upon more and more to endure and persevere without as much consolation and even, dare I say it, affective engagement. Yes, deep love will grow. Yes, your affections for wife and children will put down immovable roots. But your flesh and complacency will, perhaps, never again be unpricked by duty. This is the daily Cross.

    Thus, as with any operational system that has to last until death, review your prayer life. Cut out what is superfluous. Combine what may be combined for better effect. Persevere in objectively good things that don't feel good any more, as long as boredom or fatigue are the only reasons for letting them go. 

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    Thank you for that extended advice. Not the OP, but what you wrote helps a lot. For a while I prayed the 15 Decades and the Little Office daily, but I paused the Little Office since I felt I couldn't give it the attention it deserved. The Monastic Breviary has been sitting in the bookcase for months, still waiting for me. Maybe come winter, it will be the right season for turning inward from the daily noise. Listening quietly for what Our Lord wants me to do.

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    No, this is not meditation.  If you're including a "pause" before each mystery, to meditate, then
    1) I understand why the rosary takes so long.
    2) This pause isn't required, but it's also not wrong.  It's a private devotional decision.  Any rosary that is said "in church" never has this pause because it's not the normal way.
    3) Meditating BEFORE the decade of that mystery is said, is not the *normal* way to meditate.
    4) The normal way, is to *NOT* concentrate on the 10 hail mary's of each decade, but to 100% focus on the mystery itself.  For all 10 prayers. 

    Fair enough although your first line is contradictory.  You say it's not mediation then you imply that it is. 
    When you pause before each mystery, this is obviously meditation.  But you are not meditating WHILE PRAYING the rosary, which is the normal way.



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    Some people are doing 45 minutes!  That's micro machine guy speed.  I should know I used to blow through the prayers and do them as fast as I could and I'm a fast talker and the fastest I could do it was 50 minutes. 
    Not necessarily.  Because most people aren't including a *pause* before each mystery.  If you simply say the rosary in a normal conversation speed, without pauses before each mystery, and you meditate WHILE praying, (instead of meditating on the actual words of the prayers) then you save a lot of time.  Then 50 min or so is normal.


    Again, i'm not saying your method is wrong, as it sounds like you are putting forth a lot of effort and you deeply care about Our Lady.

    But...i'm just debating your assertion that 50 min is too fast.  Typically, this is the norm.  You are saying the rosary quite different from the norm.  It's not good or bad, it's just different.