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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Re-confessing sins that have been confessed in the New Rite
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2024, 07:57:05 AM »
Here's an example of the distinction.  I take $100 I see laying on a table because I think it's mine.  Turns out that it belonged to someone else.  Objectively that's grave matter, since it entails defrauding someone of something that belongs to them in justice, but I did not commit a mortal sin because I did not know about that I was taking someone else's money.  And it works the other way around also.  I take $100 I see laying on a table, thinking that it belongs to someone else.  But it's actually mine, as I forgot that I had put it down on the table.  I commit a mortal sin anyway, despite the fact that objectively there was no grave matter, and no one was objectively defrauded of the money.

There's a distinction between objective grave matter and subjective mortal sin.  That's Moral Theology 101.

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Re: Re-confessing sins that have been confessed in the New Rite
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2024, 08:29:32 AM »
:facepalm:

Again, until you two can exhibit even a basic knowledge of the Catechism, you shouldn't be posting.

So you're claiming that people can commit mortal sins (that result in the loss of sanctifying grace) without knowing that what they're doing constitutes grave matter?  Idiotic.

Now, the natural law is written in men's hearts, so they know about those laws that way, but any positive law (divine or ecclesiastical) requires knowledge.  There can be culpability in not doing the necessary diligence to inquire about the law, but some people are in a state where they don't know that they don't know.
From the quote

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice


I will give an example.

If a man knows drinking lots of alcohol will get him drunk, and he chooses to get drunk, but he doesn't know drunkenness is a grave sin, he has still committed a mortal sin.

Because he knew drinking a lot would get him drunk - so he had full knowledge 
He willingly chose to get drunk - he had sufficient deliberate consent 
Drunkenness - grave matter 

He had all 3 so it would be a mortal sin, even if he didn't know getting drunk was a sin, as the catechism states "It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act,"


This is how I understand what the catechism teaches.


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Re: Re-confessing sins that have been confessed in the New Rite
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2024, 08:31:26 AM »
Of course you have to know that what you're doing is evil or bad in order to commit a sin.

Both of you guys need to stop posting now, since you're putting out bad information that could be harmful to people.
So if a child is taught that objectively evil things are good, and they grow up and do those evil things, they don't commit any sins?

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Re: Re-confessing sins that have been confessed in the New Rite
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2024, 08:59:49 AM »
So if a child is taught that objectively evil things are good, and they grow up and do those evil things, they don't commit any sins?
When you say objectively, are you speaking of the natural law written on men's hearts? That would imply knowledge. If one TRULY doesn't know it's an evil or a sin, then according to the Church  culpability is not implicit. It doesn't mean that the person does not suffer in it's commission  

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Re: Re-confessing sins that have been confessed in the New Rite
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2024, 09:01:28 AM »
So if a child is taught that objectively evil things are good, and they grow up and do those evil things, they don't commit any sins?
Right.