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Änσnymσus

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Re: Re-confessing sins that have been confessed in the New Rite
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2024, 06:30:08 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on April 16, 2024, 08:30:54 PM
Uhm, no.  Most do not abstain from meat because they're unaware of the substitute penance requirement.  You can't commit mortal sin without knowledge of it being a mortal sin.  Something might be objectively a grave sin, but it's not "mortal", i.e. causing the loss of sanctifying grace, without knowledge of it being objectively grave matter and then the individual willing to do it anyway.

People who don't know what they're talking about should stop posting their opinions about such things.

Similarly, with Communion in the Hand, even if it MIGHT have been Our Lord (very unlikely except if consecrated by an older priest, and using the fixed translation of the consecration), if an individual thinks it's permissible, he's not committing a sin.  NO spews a lot of propaganda about how there's nothing wrong with it, how it was done in the early Church, etc.
This does sound right, that would mean no one can commit a mortal sin without knowing it's a sin.

And in that case it would be better to keep people ignorant.

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1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131
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1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.
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1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.
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1860 Unintentional ignorance can diminish or even remove the imputability of a grave offense. But no one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man. The promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders. Sin committed through malice, by deliberate choice of evil, is the gravest.

I thought that you don't have to know what you're doing is a sin specifically but that you know what your doing i.e the act, and choose to do it.
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Änσnymσus

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Re: Re-confessing sins that have been confessed in the New Rite
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2024, 06:50:56 AM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on April 17, 2024, 06:30:08 AM
This does sound right, that would mean no one can commit a mortal sin without knowing it's a sin.

And in that case it would be better to keep people ignorant.
Yep ^^ It would mean ignorance truly is bliss, even eternal bliss.

Kinda makes the pope and whole NO just fine.
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Re: Re-confessing sins that have been confessed in the New Rite
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2024, 07:46:30 AM »
:facepalm:

Again, until you two can exhibit even a basic knowledge of the Catechism, you shouldn't be posting.

So you're claiming that people can commit mortal sins (that result in the loss of sanctifying grace) without knowing that what they're doing constitutes grave matter?  Idiotic.

Now, the natural law is written in men's hearts, so they know about those laws that way, but any positive law (divine or ecclesiastical) requires knowledge.  There can be culpability in not doing the necessary diligence to inquire about the law, but some people are in a state where they don't know that they don't know.
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Re: Re-confessing sins that have been confessed in the New Rite
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2024, 07:46:56 AM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on April 17, 2024, 06:50:56 AM
Yep ^^ It would mean ignorance truly is bliss, even eternal bliss.

Kinda makes the pope and whole NO just fine.

Idiotic, and also entails Pelagian heresy.

Not to mention that you conflate the objective and the subjective with your stupid "NO just fine" comment.  It's objectively bad, harmful, displeasing to God.  But if someone doesn't know it's displeasing to God, bad, and harmful, that individual does not commit a sin by participating in the NO.  In order to commit sin, you have to WILL something that is evil, and if you don't know that it's evil, you're not willing the evil.

No, one does not attain to "eternal bliss" by ignorance.  That's Pelagian heresy, but then a lot of Trads labor under Pelagian heresy these days ... which, if you were aware of it, would be grave sin.
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Re: Re-confessing sins that have been confessed in the New Rite
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2024, 07:53:00 AM »
Quote from: Änσnymσus on April 17, 2024, 06:30:08 AM
I thought that you don't have to know what you're doing is a sin specifically but that you know what your doing i.e the act, and choose to do it.

Of course you have to know that what you're doing is evil or bad in order to commit a sin.

Both of you guys need to stop posting now, since you're putting out bad information that could be harmful to people.
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