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Re: Should traditional Catholics have
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2025, 09:17:30 PM »
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    Dyed Hair: only for women and only natural hair colors; men when they go gray should stay gray and when men go bald they should stay bald...no dying hair or wigs for men. For any man to do either is a sign of a lack of masculinity and or humility when it comes to aging gracefully.

    Piercings (other than earlobes) - not for women and men shouldn't have any at all.

    Tattoos - only for certain men who have been in the military (e.g. a navy man or a marine who wants a tattoo related to his service) or a biker-type of guy or mere laborer. For any other man to have tattoos is unnecessary and projects a "trashy image." Ask yourself: would you trust any man to do a very important white-collar job for you (e.g. prepare your taxes or manage your investments) if he had any visible tattoos? Of course not. You would be a fool to do so. Would you trust them to do activities such as bag your groceries, wash your car, put a new roof on your house etc. If he haf any visible tattoos? Of course. Good luck trying to find anyone today to do those things for you who doesn't have at least one visible tattoo.

    Tattoos on women? Never. They never belonged on women in the first place and for any woman to have any tattoo (e.g. even a small one on their ankle etc. which she thinks is "cute") is akin to putting a bunch of bumper stickers on a Ferrari or keying a prized automobile. In other words, it's completely trashy no matter what and it totally degrades the woman who has them.

    No self-respecting man should ever even date (let alone marry) any woman with any tattoos.
    Seems like solid Traditional Catholic advice to me. I fully agree.
    You gave a very wise take on the matter: it isn't about the tattoo itself per se, it's about the complete lack of self-respect and self-valuation the woman has. If she considers herself so low, wouldn't she make other stupid mistakes like sleeping around? Probably.
    It's not about humility either -- not considering yourself worthy of salvation, not caring about your soul is NOT humility.


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    Re: Should traditional Catholics have
    « Reply #31 on: May 25, 2025, 09:51:24 PM »
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  • Tattoos - only for certain men who have been in the military (e.g. a navy man or a marine who wants a tattoo related to his service) or a biker-type of guy or mere laborer. For any other man to have tattoos is unnecessary and projects a "trashy image."

    Tattoos on women? Never...It's completely trashy no matter what and it totally degrades the woman who has them.

    To paraphrase: Trashy, but acceptably trashy for certain low-level men.  Sounds kinda snooty, eh?  "Mere laborer"?  Love it.

    Frankly, I find the distinction meaningless.  Are tats common among military men, bikers, etc?  Sure.  That is a totally separate matter from objective acceptability.

    Considering how widespread the practice has become, I would guess there are now many -- and hopefully will soon be many more -- solid converts to the Faith who got tattoos before conversion.  Considering how sin disfigures the soul, such external considerations are of little moment by comparison.  If God can infuse His own supernatural life into a sinner, the soon-to-be-rotting packaging is of much less concern. Does it matter?  Sure, especially as it is usually an external reflection of the interior disorder.  However, once the interior is renewed, the externals remain and that's just the way it is.  Modest attire can alleviate a great deal of the trouble and genuine converts are usually happy to make such adjustments.


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    Re: Should traditional Catholics have
    « Reply #32 on: May 25, 2025, 09:52:19 PM »
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  • The previous post is mine.  I forgot to check the little box... :fryingpan:
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Should traditional Catholics have
    « Reply #33 on: May 25, 2025, 09:59:15 PM »
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  • The better question might be:

    Should someone who is already a Traditional Catholic have/get x, y, z, etc.?

    No.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Should traditional Catholics have
    « Reply #34 on: May 26, 2025, 08:36:59 AM »
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  • If someone was foolish in youth or pre-conversion, these days, it’s quite understandable. We should refrain from condemning the person until we get to know them. In general, Catholics should refrain from extreme and bizarre appearances out of a desire for humility. Those who do these things, at the time, demonstrate their wanting to stand out and make a statement of some sort, be it, “I’m a tough guy,” or “I’m proud to announce I’m LGBTQ.” 
    Most often, it actually reflects insecurity. “I WANT to be seen as a tough guy.” “I’m upset and confused about my sɛҳuąƖity. ACCEPT, no, CELEBRATE my chosen identity.” 
    In a few instances, these things are cultural, not any type of desire to stand out.

    As Matthew says, hair can grow back, be cut, or restyled. Hair dye depending upon the type, can be washed out, wear off, out grown, or colored over in a more natural tone. Piercings usually close up. Tattoos can be covered with clothing. If not reasonable, can sometimes be removed or even re-tattooed to fade or blend more with natural skin tone. One can sometimes use makeup to cover them.

    Many of these things would fall, imo, into the category of making reasonable adjustments out of respect for God, others, self. Unless the person is someone over whom we have considerable influence, it is best to MYOB.

    In very extreme cases, like someone with a split tongue and tattoo of Satan on his face, or a person whose body art is immodest, blasphemous, the priest should handle the matter.
    Well said!
    As a former co-worker and I discussed years ago...the time is coming where those without tattoos will be the "odd ones"...are we there yet?


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    Re: Should traditional Catholics have
    « Reply #35 on: May 26, 2025, 08:38:06 AM »
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  • Well said!
    As a former co-worker and I discussed years ago...the time is coming where those without tattoos will be the "odd ones"...are we there yet?
    Didn't mean to post this as Anonymous...

    Well said!
    As a former co-worker and I discussed years ago...the time is coming where those without tattoos will be the "odd ones"...are we there yet?






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    Re: Should traditional Catholics have
    « Reply #36 on: May 26, 2025, 08:52:05 AM »
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  • Didn't mean to post this as Anonymous...

    Well said!
    As a former co-worker and I discussed years ago...the time is coming where those without tattoos will be the "odd ones"...are we there yet?

    It’s very likely depending upon who is around us. 

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    Re: Should traditional Catholics have
    « Reply #37 on: May 26, 2025, 09:36:20 AM »
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  • The better question might be:

    Should someone who is already a Traditional Catholic have/get x, y, z, etc.?

    No.
    I think there is hardly ever a black and white answer when it comes to the questions of dying hair, piercings, or tattoos.

    Many people are influenced by the society they live in.  It takes a really strong person to go against the tide of society.  Should Traditional Catholics respect their bodies?  Yes.  But what exactly does that mean?  

    FYI I only have one ear piercing in each ear.  My hair was only dyed with highlights for a time period when I was 18 -20 (2 or 3 times). I have no tats. 

    But I wouldn't be honest if I didn't say I never thought about getting a tattoo or dying my hair purple, but it doesn't mean I agree with the subculture of people who do dye there hair.  Do you think the little old ladies whose white hair has a tinge of blue or purple are making the same statement as a woke person?  I don't know.  People are more complicated than that.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: Should traditional Catholics have
    « Reply #38 on: May 26, 2025, 10:12:03 AM »
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  • those without tattoos will be the "odd ones"...are we there yet?

    We've been there for a while.

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    Re: Should traditional Catholics have
    « Reply #39 on: May 26, 2025, 10:34:44 AM »
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  • Didn't mean to post this as Anonymous...

    Well said!
    As a former co-worker and I discussed years ago...the time is coming where those without tattoos will be the "odd ones"...are we there yet?







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    Re: Should traditional Catholics have
    « Reply #41 on: May 26, 2025, 10:56:52 AM »
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  • I don't think the Church has answered these questions, so I'm not sure whether our answers to what Trads "should" do or not do wrt these things is anything more than just our individual opinions.  IMO, I think determining whether these things are "wrong" or even sinful would depend on why someone chose to do it.  For example, is it because someone wants attention? Is it because someone is insecure?  Is it to show off? Is it to fit in with modern ways? Etc, etc. And in most cases, I don't think any of us would know that about a particular person running around with a tattoo or a nose ring, etc.