Author Topic: Question for everyone about Genesis (Read 2269 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** February 18, 2014, 03:20:58 PM »

Do you believe Adam and Eve existed and were our first parents and that they sinned and because of this all of us are cursed with original sin?

LoverOfTradition · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2014, 03:22:07 PM »

Of course.

That is what the Bible says happened. Who are we to question it?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2014, 03:22:34 PM »

Yes.

-TheKnightVigilant

Matto · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2014, 03:24:57 PM »

I started this thread. I posted it in the anonymous forum because I thought some people would want to answer the question anonymously.

icterus · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2014, 03:31:12 PM »

Even if we think we know of a good reason to question it, we are not allowed to question this particular teaching, per Humani Generis of Pius XII. Promulgated to the Entire Church on a matter of the Faith, ergo infallible.

Sigismund · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2014, 09:01:29 PM »

Yes. I do believe this. I also believe in evolution, if that is a subtext to the question in the original post.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2014, 10:35:34 PM »

Yes, it is what is taught in the catechism class.

Cuthbert · « **Reply #7 on:** February 18, 2014, 10:56:36 PM »

Yes. Suffering & death came into the world as a result of original sin yes? How then could evolution which requires death & suffering have possibly occurred before these things came into the world? This violates the law of non-contradiction which says that one cannot say of something that it is & that it is not in the same respect & at the same time. Either man was created exactly as is written in Genesis & by his sin brought death into the world, or else he was the result of evolution occurring over the course of aeons wherein suffering & death were constant well before he ever existed which denies the inerrancy of Holy Scripture. One or the other, it can't be both.

Cantarella · « **Reply #8 on:** February 18, 2014, 11:01:33 PM »

Absolutely. I believe with a child-like faith everything the Church teaches. The teaching of the Original Sin is a fundamental basis for Our Faith.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** February 18, 2014, 11:48:37 PM »

Cuthbert wrote:

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Yes. Suffering & death came into the world as a result of original sin yes? How then could evolution which requires death & suffering have possibly occurred before these things came into the world? This violates the law of non-contradiction which says that one cannot say of something that it is & that it is not in the same respect & at the same time. Either man was created exactly as is written in Genesis & by his sin brought death into the world, or else he was the result of evolution occurring over the course of aeons wherein suffering & death were constant well before he ever existed which denies the inerrancy of Holy Scripture. One or the other, it can't be both.

Pius XII disagreed with you. You ought to look up 'Special Transformism' which he apparently thought was a reasonable enough idea that he allowed Catholics to study it.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2014, 06:33:19 AM »

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Cuthbert wrote:

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Yes. Suffering & death came into the world as a result of original sin yes? How then could evolution which requires death & suffering have possibly occurred before these things came into the world? This violates the law of non-contradiction which says that one cannot say of something that it is & that it is not in the same respect & at the same time. Either man was created exactly as is written in Genesis & by his sin brought death into the world, or else he was the result of evolution occurring over the course of aeons wherein suffering & death were constant well before he ever existed which denies the inerrancy of Holy Scripture. One or the other, it can't be both.

Pius XII disagreed with you. You ought to look up 'Special Transformism' which he apparently thought was a reasonable enough idea that he allowed Catholics to study it.

St. Thomas Aquinas also disagrees with him. From the Summa: "In the opinion of some, those animals which now are fierce and kill others, would, in that state, have been tame, not only in regard to man, but also in regard to other animals. But this is quite unreasonable. For the nature of animals was not changed by man's sin, as if those whose nature now it is to devour the flesh of others, would then have lived on herbs, as the lion and falcon."

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2014, 09:26:23 AM »

Nice cite, anonymous.

Isn't it telling that the only free, interesting, participative discussions of evolution that occur here are anonymous?

When it's anonymous, it's reasonable and thoughtful and people have all sorts of interesting things to say.

When it's in public, the thought police come out and excommunicate.

Nice.

Wonder what that means.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #12 on:** February 19, 2014, 09:28:50 AM »

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2014, 03:21:03 PM »

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Do you believe Adam and Eve existed and were our first parents and that they sinned and because of this all of us are cursed with original sin?

Yes.

Besides, it is actually dogma, right?

That's where the Catholic Church gets the concept of Original Sin.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** February 19, 2014, 03:35:34 PM »

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Yes. I do believe this. I also believe in evolution, if that is a subtext to the question in the original post.

Not taking an acrimonious view here but help me to understand your view by giving a short synopsis of how you arrived at this conclusion?

Most proponents of evolution are doing it to show the world that God does not exist.

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