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Änσnymσus · « **on:** September 18, 2018, 01:43:11 PM »

It's kind of weird how they're doing public schools in my town. They broke it down into age groups instead of just having schools with multiple grades. So all the kids pre-school and kindergarten go to one school. You have 1st -4th graders going all to one school. You have all the 5th to 8th graders all going to one school. So they're busing kids all across town. You could live next to a school but you're going to be bused to a school clear across town if you don't hit the right age group. I asked what if your kid is getting bullied? You can't switch schools no more? The person I asked said they don't care about these kids. It's all about saving money.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** September 18, 2018, 01:49:40 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 18, 2018, 01:43:11 PM

It's kind of weird how they're doing public schools in my town. They broke it down into age groups instead of just having schools with multiple grades. So all the kids pre-school and kindergarten go to one school. You have 1st -4th graders going all to one school. You have all the 5th to 8th graders all going to one school. So they're busing kids all across town. You could live next to a school but you're going to be bused to a school clear across town if you don't hit the right age group. I asked what if your kid is getting bullied? You can't switch schools no more? The person I asked said they don't care about these kids. It's all about saving money.

If you consider yourself a practicing Catholic, how can you send your kids to public school in 2018, the current year?

I hope you're just curious and read newspapers a lot, and you're not speaking from personal experience here.

But just in case there are a couple of Catholics out there sending their children to public school, I must address them:

Are you aware of how anti-Catholic, anti-common sense, and anti NATURE the Leftists have become? And they control the schools!

Stuff like this:
https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/gender-madness/

You want your kids to be taught that gender is a social construct, that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and masturbation are fine, birth control and abortion are fine and virtuous, and in High School they will receive explicit sex-ed material in a coed setting? How can you justify that as a Catholic?

Better for your kids to receive a grossly inadequate education while you attempt to homeschool (even if you can't do it well), or have to move to a state that allows homeschooling and take a HUGE pay cut, meaning that most of your family's life is spent in poverty (including Food Stamps) than to see your children corrupted and in Hell for eternity...

Life is shorter than you think. Eternity is forever. Saving your children's souls is ALL that matters, and the primary heading on which parents will be judged by God.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** September 18, 2018, 01:51:47 PM »

I should add that when I went to school there were four schools that went k-5. You had two schools that went 6-8 grades. High school you all went to one school but you still had choices. You could choose to drive your child to the next town. I don't think that's an option anymore.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** September 18, 2018, 02:00:00 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 18, 2018, 01:49:40 PM

If you consider yourself a practicing Catholic, how can you send your kids to public school in 2018, the current year?

Are you aware of how anti-Catholic, anti-common sense, and anti NATURE the Leftists have become? And they control the schools!

1. I don't send a child to public school. 2. Catholic schooling in my area is not an option. 3. It's pretty obvious from my post that I just found out public school do this. 4. My post reaffirms the dangers of public schooling

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** September 18, 2018, 02:03:07 PM »

For what it's worth, here's an excellent sermon by a trad priest on the tragedy of public education

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** September 18, 2018, 02:15:46 PM »

I think a lot of Catholics my age were forced into public schools because Vatican II closed down schools. It was around the time of the first child abuse scandal. The public schools were liberal back then but it was mostly on race issues. I was able to see right through that stuff. My family wasn't very Catholic. I found traditional Catholicism later in life. Thanks internet!

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** September 18, 2018, 02:19:59 PM »

Homeschooling is the best option.

See if there is a cooperative home school where your children can attend group classes once or twice a week or even more often.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** September 18, 2018, 04:30:29 PM »

It is as the OP says, that public school districts are grouping children by age into various buildings. The reason is entirely financial. All the educational research points to neighborhood schoola with a wide range of age groups being a psychologically and educationally healthier environment. This is the natural result of readily available, socially acceptable birth control. The school districts that mushroomed during the baby boom years find the declining birthrate hard on the bottom line. It's called streamlining and is usually presented as the most progressive trend in education. Districts that, at one time, couldn't build additions and new schools fast enough now find themselves letting staff and faculty go, selling off their older buildings. It has the same effect as busing in that there is no choice whatsoever for attending different schools within the same district.
Case in point, I graduated from a suburban school district in 1978. When I started in 1965, the district had three small buildings and went up to grade 4, after which time students attended class in a neighboring district with a regional high school. By 1978, the district covered grades K-12, and had seven elementary schools, K-5, three middle schools, 6-8, and two high schools, 9-12. Ten years ago, they began closing and selling the older, original buildings. They are down to two elementary buildings, one with grades K-2, the other with grades 3-5, one middle school, 6-8, and one high school, 9-12. One wing of the K-2 building is for administrative offices. If the number of children continues to decline at the same rate, the long range plan is to place grades K-5 in two of the three wings of the present K-2 building, and sell the other. There is the possibility of housing middle and high school in the present high school, and selling the middle school.
The general population of the area is actually increasing, but it is from an influx of well-to-do young professionals, the majority of whom have only one child or no children at all. Middle, working, or low income families cannot afford to live there. The baby boomers who stayed are now retired and are choosing to "age in place."
Increasingly, anyone having a large, traditional type family has a substantially lower standard of living than the one in which they were raised often having no choice but to move away from grandparents and older relatives.
For most serious Catholics, the public schools are no place to send their children. Homeschooling or some variation of it is the only option for most. As said one poster, better to be on welfare and SNAP than to send one's children to lose their souls in public school.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** September 19, 2018, 06:51:46 AM »

The OP did not say anything about sending her kids to public school. IMO, these days Catholic parents who send their children to public school are sending their children directly to demonic indoctrination and as such, are certainly guilty of committing a very grave sin for sending their innocent children into an environment of spiritual (and mental) murder.

The same must be said of those parents who send, or otherwise approve of their children going to college whether they live on campus or not. Parents will be held fully responsible before God for the damage done to their children, hence the entire family at public school, and also fully responsible for not doing what they should have done for their older children, namely, condemn and vehemently discourage them from attending college at all.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** September 19, 2018, 07:19:40 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 19, 2018, 06:51:46 AM

The OP did not say anything about sending her kids to public school. IMO, these days Catholic parents who send their children to public school are sending their children directly to demonic indoctrination and as such, are certainly guilty of committing a very grave sin for sending their innocent children into an environment of spiritual (and mental) murder.

The same must be said of those parents who send, or otherwise approve of their children going to college whether they live on campus or not. Parents will be held fully responsible before God for the damage done to their children, hence the entire family at public school, and also fully responsible for not doing what they should have done for their older children, namely, condemn and vehemently discourage them from attending college at all.

Going to a public university has made me, personally, a much stronger Catholic. It is maybe the strongest my Faith has ever been. Public universities are not bad -- it is the "Catholic" universities one must avoid.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #10 on:** September 19, 2018, 08:04:11 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 19, 2018, 06:51:46 AM

The OP did not say anything about sending her kids to public school. IMO, these days Catholic parents who send their children to public school are sending their children directly to demonic indoctrination and as such, are certainly guilty of committing a very grave sin for sending their innocent children into an environment of spiritual (and mental) murder.

The same must be said of those parents who send, or otherwise approve of their children going to college whether they live on campus or not. Parents will be held fully responsible before God for the damage done to their children, hence the entire family at public school, and also fully responsible for not doing what they should have done for their older children, namely, condemn and vehemently discourage them from attending college at all.

I really can't believe the backwards decline of mental state traditional Catholics. Apparently to an anonymous Catholic source, its a "mental murder" and mortal sins for the parents that don't home school or live within hours of a trad school. Most of the larger families that I know that have older children require both parents need to work to survive, even if its part time. There are some that don't.....the ones where the father is one of the only doctors in the parish, or successful business owner, etc. Coincidently those families that silently pay for that new ________ for the church or pay for the priest's plane ticket.
"Condemn and vehemently discourage them from attending college at all." Tell me HOW is this a practical plan for the future of tradition. Tell me how the next generation is going to buy, build, or renovate churches. To me this is a glaring sign of being welfare dependent. It may not be government welfare, but it is welfare from the wealthy benefactors that helped establish the SSPX or splinter branches. The money always seems to be there but it will run out one day.
Tell me how you are going to open up traditional Catholic schools. Tell me how are you going to have a qualified traditional Catholic home school curriculum without qualified people to sign off on it. There are many states that make it difficult to home school. Many of the parish schools receive flack from the cities that they are in. You want your child to see a traditional catholic doctor? You want to support a traditional Catholic business? You want Catholic politicians, a Catholic community?
God helps those that help themselves. Praying the rosary is great. You receive grace, now what are you going to do with it. Take action! To survive you need to have people in all levels of society. Take a page from the Mormons, they control their school districts in Utah and control what is taught. They have people with their doctorate in education. They have MD's, Dentists, contractors, and elected politicians! You want change, then take action and put your families in a position that you can influence change. I really can't stand head in the sand zealots.

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** September 19, 2018, 08:31:45 AM »

Catholics not getting involved in the world is a different matter than sending one's impressionable children (who don't have Catholic or any other kind of values yet!) to the proverbial slaughter.

Public schools are houses of indoctrination into the liberal (increasingly leftist) insanity of the modern world. Do you want your children to be taught that sodomy is OK? Do you want your children to realize they are transsɛҳuąƖ, thanks to the constant barrage of propaganda they receive at school? Do you want your girls to lose any feminine modesty (from being around immodestly dressed girls all day, and peer pressured into thinking THAT is normal and Mom & Dad are "weird")? Or for that matter, your girls will lose ANY femininity, since schools are completely feminist. Your kids will learn about White Guilt, the patriarchy, the oft-disproven myth of the "wage gap" but taught as fact, they will learn that masculinity is toxic, they will be taught Evolution, that the world is overpopulated and birth control is a virtue, they will receive co-ed, graphic Sex Education... -- I could go on for hours.

And let's not even start on Common Core! The whole point of public school is to give your children an education, right? Well then you better not send them to public school for that reason alone. Common Core is DESIGNED to create idiots who will go along with whatever their masters want. But even before Common Core, the type of education received at a Public School was NOT designed to create strong Catholics, ready to be leaders.

Anyone reading this who received their public school experience 15 or more years ago is NOT qualified to speak from a standpoint of Experience about Public Schools today, in 2018.

I went to public school myself. I graduated in 1995. But guess what? This isn't the 80s or the 90s anymore. When I was a kid, calling someone "gαy" was the ultimate insult. And there were only 2 sexes. Today, calling someone "gαy" would be a hate crime, a word that many consider actually harmful (as in, inflicting harm) upon another. Sticks and stones, what's that? You didn't have a sodomite character in every movie and TV show until sometime in the mid 2000's. And SJWs were just a "worst nightmare" for a few people with very vivid imaginations back in the 80's. And we didn't have cell phones or social media back then.

While it's true that older teens and young adults need to go out into the hostile modern world, well trained for battle, that doesn't mean that you should send your 5 year olds into the battlefield! That's ridiculous.

Before a certain age (the fine details of which are open for debate) -- let's say 12 years old at least -- near-complete sheltering is the only answer. No unsupervised Internet, no phone, constant supervision, vetting each and every friend they encounter, previewing anything they read or watch, etc.

Either you care about your childrens' souls or you don't. A young child is a clean slate. That is why it's worth giving up all kinds of Middle-Class luxuries to have my wife stay home and raise my children, rather than delegating that privilege to the State or local daycare.

Matthew

Matthew · « **Reply #12 on:** September 19, 2018, 08:49:30 AM »

And yes, God writes straight with crooked lines.

There are plenty of converts to the Faith (this pretty much includes converts from the protestant Novus Ordo) who became Catholic later in life. As a side note, it's interesting that converts from protestantism and converts from the Novus Ordo have almost the same background -- they were usually very worldly, they often have professional careers, and their lifestyle was mainstream all the way: 2 children, a house in the suburbs, etc.

These converts can't have more children since they are past childbearing years, but they can atone for their past sins by alms-giving and supporting the Church with their great wealth (which partly came through only having 1 or 2 children). There is certainly a place for such Catholics. But I wouldn't hold them up as some kind of ideal. They are just one kind of tool in God's tool box, with which He executes His Divine Providence.

Incidentally, such converts don't have as many choices as to how they will help out the Church. What are they going to do, teach Catechism classes? Sing Gregorian chant in the choir? Serve Mass? Provide altar servers from among your children? Usually late converts have grown children who stay Protestant or Novus Ordo, and are nowhere to be found in the Trad chapel in question.

It takes a certain humility to say "A person in my situation is CURRENTLY doing fine in God's eyes, but I am still damaged goods, not the ideal, so please don't follow my path."

I'm sorry if this isn't uber-simplistic "four legs good, two legs bad" for those with IQ's under 80. But the truth is the truth. Late converts aren't to be condemned, but we don't need to go out of our way to create more of them either. God's will is that we serve Him all of our days. He wants children, teens, and young men and women to be Trad Catholic; He wants ALL families to have a natural number of children, and to avoid corrupting them at a young age. If that means few-to-no awesome careers, then guess what? Few-to-no awesome careers for Catholics must be God's will.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #13 on:** September 19, 2018, 09:15:15 AM »

I'm understand 100% of what you are say Matthew, but all those things you mentioned will be there for them to find when they grow up to be 18 as well and in the future with their own children. I'm not advocating for public school. I grew up homeschooled early on. Due to situations later one toward my high school, it was no longer an option for my large family. I am however saying that most large traditional families that I have met and befriended in my travels are not middle class with luxuries to give up. Some are indebted to the schools that they have their children in, i.e. St. Mary's. In Phoenix for example if you have 3 or more students it will cost you $18,000 in tuition, plus all the extras. That is $1500 a month.

While all your points are correct, there are others in the parishes, online and on this forum who "Condemn and vehemently discourage them from attending college at all." You are right this is a separate issue from Catholics not getting involved in the world, but people are lumping everything together into one ideology. Cutting off their nose to spite their face. Just my two cents. I just don't see how is that a practical future outlook.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** September 19, 2018, 09:37:27 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous on September 19, 2018, 08:04:11 AM

I really can't believe the backwards decline of mental state traditional Catholics. Apparently to an anonymous Catholic source, its a "mental murder" and mortal sins for the parents that don't home school or live within hours of a trad school. Most of the larger families that I know that have older children require both parents need to work to survive, even if its part time. There are some that don't.....the ones where the father is one of the only doctors in the parish, or successful business owner, etc. Coincidently those families that silently pay for that new ________ for the church or pay for the priest's plane ticket.
"Condemn and vehemently discourage them from attending college at all." Tell me HOW is this a practical plan for the future of tradition. Tell me how the next generation is going to buy, build, or renovate churches. To me this is a glaring sign of being welfare dependent. It may not be government welfare, but it is welfare from the wealthy benefactors that helped establish the SSPX or splinter branches. The money always seems to be there but it will run out one day.
Tell me how you are going to open up traditional Catholic schools. Tell me how are you going to have a qualified traditional Catholic home school curriculum without qualified people to sign off on it. There are many states that make it difficult to home school. Many of the parish schools receive flack from the cities that they are in. You want your child to see a traditional catholic doctor? You want to support a traditional Catholic business? You want Catholic politicians, a Catholic community?
God helps those that help themselves. Praying the rosary is great. You receive grace, now what are you going to do with it. Take action! To survive you need to have people in all levels of society. Take a page from the Mormons, they control their school districts in Utah and control what is taught. They have people with their doctorate in education. They have MD's, Dentists, contractors, and elected politicians! You want change, then take action and put your families in a position that you can influence change. I really can't stand head in the sand zealots.

Yes, there is a backwards decline of mental state traditional Catholics, particularly when they think sending their children to houses of indoctrination into sin is okay because both parents have to work. Lord have mercy.

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