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Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
« Reply #585 on: December 01, 2017, 02:55:33 PM »
Men really are the civilization builders.  Here is an interesting article:

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Camille Paglia once wrote, “If civilization had been left in female hands we would still be living in grass huts.”

A provocative statement to be sure, but was it true? How could we ever know? Enter reality TV.
During a season of Dutch Survivor, they put men on one island, women on another. Both groups were dropped off with a bag of rice and otherwise left to fend for themselves.

The experiment was on.

In episode one, the men built a shelter. The women formed a group hug and told each other how brave and special they were.

At the end of the episode, it rained.

The men were under their crappy, hastily built shelter – but off the ground and out of the rain. Meanwhile, the women were getting drenched, until they were given yellow plastic raincoats by the production crew.

Next day, the men set about doing whatever each one thought was needed – there was no leader giving orders. Men who felt like hunting went hunting. Men who felt like fishing went fishing. One guy improved the shelter. Another foraged for berries and roots.

It was in a word: anarchy. No government, no agreement, no rules, no group hugs.

But within days a small civilization was growing. With the division of labor and free trade, the men were growing more prosperous. Their lives were improving.

The women also settled into a routine. After drying their towels, they proceeded to lay in the sun and argue. Unlike the men, the women proved unable to do anything without the agreement of the whole group. And since the dozen women could never agree on anything, nothing was ever done.

Over the next few episodes, the women ate all their initial supplies, were eaten alive by sand fleas, and were generally miserable.

Sensing that the show was not going in a sustainable direction, the producers sent three men to the women’s island and vice versa.

The men selected to go to the women’s island were initially excited by the prospect of joining a dozen women on a deserted island. But that delight soon gave way to despair.

The first man was greeted with a “to-do” list. Even after explaining to the women how to get things done, the women continued to sunbathe and chat, while the man went about doing the hard work.

Meanwhile, the first woman sent to the men’s island was amazed. The men by now had individual shelters, plenty of food, firewood, and even a dining table.

And that, is what the “patriarchy” looks like.

Now it could just be a fluke, but that season of Dutch survivor is not unique. CBS also ran a few seasons with groups dividing men and women into separate groups. In both those series, the men got food, fire, and shelter while the women wasted time in petty squabbles, eating their initial supplies, and generally being pathetic.

The opposite situation, where men didn’t get their act together while women quickly built a functional micro society, has not yet been observed outside of feminist fiction, and it probably never will.

So it appears that Camille Paglia’s prediction may have been too optimistic.
If women had been left in charge, we might not even have grass huts yet.
http://mccluresmagazine.com/articles/women-ruled-world

Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
« Reply #586 on: December 01, 2017, 03:53:19 PM »
I am the one who has been posting supporting the Church teaching on discipline, yet I do at the same time think that women contribute enormously to civilisation.

There is a reason that God created them. He could have chosen some other means of reproducing men without women, but He did not. They do help a lot. When they are good....
I think you got to the heart of the matter by using the word "contribute".  Woman was made as a helper to man.  Women without men are not going to build a civilization, but women can help.  Men need to be the leaders that give direction to everything.

It is interesting that science is catching up with what the Church has always taught.
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In recent years, studies by scientists such as Professor Simon Baron-Cohen at the University of Cambridge have proved what we already know: women are more adept at empathy and boys are better at systematising. That is to say, that the male brain is better at understanding how a system works and thus how a system can be controlled or improved. Men’s brains are the perfect tool for battling and overcoming the natural world, for example to build cities or aircraft or ships.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/in-defence-of-the-patriarchy/
From the same article:
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The final defining difference between men and women is more abstract. Women tend to have less difficulty making peace with their place in the world, while a man’s sense of purpose is often more fraught. Men can find contentment harder to achieve. There’s an innate desire in men to prove one’s worth, to overcome the natural order, to achieve and to satisfy the ego. It’s what people mean when they say men are competitive: boys have an innate desire to win.

That desire to control, a greater propensity towards extreme intelligence and an obsessive compulsion to prove oneself are at the root of both the vilest crimes and greatest achievements of the male species. To again quote Camille Paglia, “there is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper.”

When it is perverted, masculinity can indeed be terrifying. But masculinity itself is not a perversion. The patriarchy gifted us fire, agricultural ploughs, wheels, textiles, capitalism, painting, writing, medicine, music, metal, paper, literature, the pyramids, canals, bridges, sculpture, optics, pottery, fireworks, printing, industrialisation, mechanics, electricity, planes, trains, cars, spaceships, phones, radio, TV, sports, towns, cities, skyscrapers, nuclear fusion, computers, the internet, politics, philosophy, economics, democracy, the enlightenment, microwaves, hoovers, disposable nappies, washing machines...


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Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
« Reply #587 on: December 01, 2017, 04:16:26 PM »





So, are you selling these?  Is that why you came on this thread?

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Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
« Reply #588 on: December 01, 2017, 06:05:40 PM »
Marriage today is a secular contract.
The Church priests should not ever ask for nor condone a marriage license, which is a secular instrument used to enforce and usurp an Mans right to his property, including his wife.
There are little benefits to marriage today for any man.  I believe in a Church sacrament but no license, or common law with witnesses and a priest presiding.
No Fault divorce states mean you work and if she tires of you or finds another, yes it happens to Trads too, she takes hald + Your monthly income, whatever Judge Goldstein thinks is fair that day, + Child Support.   Lose/Lose.

Be Smart, men.

Jayne, what do you think of the idea that a wife is a man's "property"?
BTW, budDude said this in another thread: 

The state controls every aspect of a man today and his property, including His wife.
Yes, I said it.  
Property defined-  That which is proper to a man.  Wife falls into that category.


Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
« Reply #589 on: December 01, 2017, 08:19:51 PM »
Jayne, what do you think of the idea that a wife is a man's "property"?

I do not think there is any basis in Church teaching for claiming that a wife is her husband's property.  This is not compatible with the relationship described in Arcanum Divinae Sapientiae:
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They [husband and wife] are bound, namely, to have such feelings for one another as to cherish always very great mutual love, to be ever faithful to their marriage vow, and to give one another an unfailing and unselfish help. The husband is the chief of the family and the head of the wife. The woman, because she is flesh of his flesh, and bone of his bone, must be subject to her husband and obey him; not, indeed, as a servant, but as a companion, so that her obedience shall be wanting in neither honor nor dignity. Since the husband represents Christ, and since the wife represents the Church, let there always be, both in him who commands and in her who obeys, a heaven-born love guiding both in their respective duties.