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Offline Jaynek

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Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
« Reply #405 on: November 01, 2017, 07:27:23 AM »
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  • Yes ma'am, it is; however as far as this thread is concerned, you passed "impasse" back at the pass, if you'll pardon a feeble attempt to defuse things.

    It has long been worse than fruitless, all summed.
    I have been thinking the same thing.  Continuing to post to this thread does not seem to be a good use of time.

    I am glad that I wrote something, though.  I think it was useful to show that some women can understand and accept the traditional Catholic view of a husband's authority.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #406 on: November 01, 2017, 07:42:15 AM »
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  • I have been thinking the same thing.  Continuing to post to this thread does not seem to be a good use of time.

    I am glad that I wrote something, though.  I think it was useful to show that some women can understand and accept the traditional Catholic view of a husband's authority.
      Please don't misconstrue ma'am, for if naught else you've somewhat encouraged at least one. 

      I don't think it misogynist to say that I generally wouldn't give a sack of sod for most "women" today, not for any inherent privation, but for what they've been made, or more to the point how they've been unmade; to be fair, the coarser sex has been mostly neutered. 

       We've our own damage, and we're the ones that slept on watch and let it all happen. 

      However, you've shown very clearly that all is not yet lost; there are still Marian miniatures ambling about, and that is hopeful.

      But, as far as the thread goes and to put it another way, I meant that you've "chewed all the flavor out" a ways back is all, and not that it never had any.

      Now it just tastes like acid from bitter tongues, so to speak; it isn't edifying any more.

      "Leave the dead..."


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #407 on: November 01, 2017, 07:57:02 AM »
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  • I have been thinking the same thing.  Continuing to post to this thread does not seem to be a good use of time.

    I am glad that I wrote something, though.  I think it was useful to show that some women can understand and accept the traditional Catholic view of a husband's authority.
       Now, there goes my through and through melancholia again because just writing of the Blessed prompted a memory; while she's all mercy, sometimes that mercy requires severity, like when she supposedly burned down a building, and the revelers inside, for profaning a day meant for her Son.

       If so, even a horse whipping doesn't seem beyond the pale at all.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #408 on: November 01, 2017, 08:06:19 AM »
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  • I have never witnessed misogyny among Trad Catholic men so, of course, I do not say that I have.

    You're rather unique in this.  There are about a half dozen of these guys, on average, at pretty much every Traditional chapel.  More likely, you're incredibly naive or in denial.  Several of the posters here are clear-cut misogynists; it's obvious from from their tone and their attitude towards women.

    You claim to simply be promoting the authority that husbands have over their wives, but that can be done while at the same time considering wife-beating and general disrespect towards wives to be unacceptable.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #409 on: November 01, 2017, 08:16:35 AM »
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  • Don't know who the author is of "The Catholic Resistance." on Facebook, @sspx.resistance
    Here it is.
    Equivocation and retrenchment on the question of the future of Catholic families in the nations that were once faithful daughters of the Church. Yes, it's certainly true that feminism destroys nations. Of course, there does not seem to be serious opposition to the feminism anywhere in the Western world today. Especially among "trads." The rule of the husband and father in the home and the rebellious spirit of woman that tests that authority so as to prove it, has no shelter in the law. The two no longer becoming one body in the law, the husband lacking authority and dignity and being at the mercy of his wife and her relatives who can call the police to drag him out of "his castle" in handcuffs on the barest pretexts. Blanket accusations of "abuse" and "cruelty" cannot be met by any reliable defense. Separation is the only legitimate recourse for severe dissension. I do not believe any woman can take her marriage vows seriously, who would call the police to punish her husband instead of yielding humbly before hard words and blows that wound pride more than the flesh. The common man lacks the basic rights in law that were the basis of marriage, and marriage itself is dissolved by women with impunity. We must return to the ancient ideal of patriarchal authority, recognizing strife in the home as a matter to be settled by the master of the house.
    Gentleness and mildness are great virtues, but they are never respected in those without real power. The Gentleman, must first be a Man, therefore, he must possess Man's primeval rights in marriage.

    https://www.rt.com/news/408118-europe-dramatic-sterility-pope/

    You know, this stuff isn't even coherent prose.  It's borderline unreadable.  From this post above, and from many of their posts, I get the distinct impression that most of the men who advocate wife-beating are in fact highly lacking in intellectual capacity.  Jaynek has been the only intelligent advocate of this attitude that I have ever encountered, but then she's a woman ... and, accordingly, her agenda is driven largely by emotion.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #410 on: November 01, 2017, 08:27:31 AM »
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  • You know, Jaynek, your major argument against my example of striking a religious has been your assertion that it's always been permitted for religious to beat other religious.  I for one have never heard a single example of that having taken place in an organized way in Catholic religious institutions.  [Obviously there were likely cases when someone lost his temper, etc.]  Certainly, superiors could impose penances that involved corporal mortifications, which the subject then administered to himself, but I have never heard of a religious superior beating a subordinate.  There's a marked difference between directly administering a punishment and commanding that there be a punishment.  When one directly lays violent hands on a person, that action is degrading to the person and therefore inconsistent with the honor husbands are required to have for their wives.  If I were to direct that my wife fast for a day in reparation for some sin she had committed, that would not violate honor, whereas directly beating her always does.  It's degrading.  It's humiliating.  It's inconsistent with honoring her as your wife and the mother of your children.

    I guess, Jaynek, you have a different moral compass, but I always apologize to my wife if I speak disrespectfully to her and then confess it as a sin.  And on a few occasions when I have spoken disrespectfully to her in front of our children, I have begged her to forgive me and considered it a mortal sin, a grave violation of her honor and the respect due to her.  I did not dare present myself for Holy Communion until I had first confessed my sin and received her forgiveness.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #411 on: November 01, 2017, 12:48:11 PM »
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  • I'll just leave it at this:

    My conscience will not allow me to lay violent hands on my wife.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #412 on: November 01, 2017, 05:12:50 PM »
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  • You really have a perverse notion of marriage.

    Talk about taking honor to excess. You will pay dearly for the scandal you are causing to those around you.
    It is really sad to see one person post anonymously repeatedly and try to dominate the thread. This is bossiness and immaturity to the extreme.
    Marriage is to be a life of martyrdom (denying one's will and deferring to the other spouse), a school of sanctity (learning patience, humility, and love), and a domestic church consecrated to prayer and love.
    There is no place in church for spousal beatings. Read the life of St. Dominic de Guzman. Never a harsh or angry word came from his mouth when he had to correct someone. He always corrected in love. He bore witness to the Transfiguration of Christ as his face shown with a holy light. His relics were found to be fragrant. May we all learn to be meek and humble of heart.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #413 on: November 01, 2017, 05:13:18 PM »
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  • It is really sad to see one person post anonymously repeatedly and try to dominate the thread. This is bossiness and immaturity to the extreme.

    Marriage is to be a life of martyrdom (denying one's will and deferring to the other spouse), a school of sanctity (learning patience, humility, and love), and a domestic church consecrated to prayer and love.

    There is no place in church for spousal beatings. Read the life of St. Dominic de Guzman. Never a harsh or angry word came from his mouth when he had to correct someone. He always corrected in love. He bore witness to the Transfiguration of Christ as his face shown with a holy light. His relics were found to be fragrant. May we all learn to be meek and humble of heart.
    My post.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #414 on: November 01, 2017, 08:18:53 PM »
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  • Read the life of St. Dominic de Guzman. Never a harsh or angry word came from his mouth when he had to correct someone. He always corrected in love. He bore witness to the Transfiguration of Christ as his face shown with a holy light. His relics were found to be fragrant. May we all learn to be meek and humble of heart.

    Thank you for the reference.  I'll look him up.  Sounds amazing.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #415 on: November 01, 2017, 08:21:57 PM »
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  • A conscience turned in on itself because you refuse to measure it against the teaching of the Church.

    Demonstrate to me where the Church REQUIRES me to beat my wife.  Even if it were allowed in strict justice, I would refuse to do it.  In strict justice, Our Lord could have killed his persecutors simply by willing it.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #416 on: November 01, 2017, 08:25:01 PM »
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  • You really have a perverse notion of marriage.

    Talk about taking honor to excess. You will pay dearly for the scandal you are causing to those around you.

    You are a warped, twisted, and depraved individual who bear very little resemblance to the one you claim to be your Lord.  You call my desire to apologize to my wife for disrespecting her "perverse" and causing "scandal".  So she is no longer even human that I should have to apologize to her for wrongs I have committed?  There are no words.

    :facepalm:

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #417 on: November 01, 2017, 08:25:43 PM »
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  • It's in the monastic rules. I have read it myself.


    Quote them.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #418 on: November 01, 2017, 08:28:20 PM »
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  • ... Jaynek has been one of the rare examples of a woman who exercises her reason with the help of grace.

    Only because she agrees with you.  See Myrna's post on the "Misogyny" thread about men she's run into who quote the "women should remain silent" passage ONLY when women happen to disagree with them.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #419 on: November 01, 2017, 08:30:26 PM »
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  • Bring it.

    :laugh1: ... big man who won't even reveal who you are on a forum.  I'm quite confident that I would take you down with one blow.  You might want to think again.