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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
« Reply #315 on: October 30, 2017, 03:28:32 PM »
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  • I see no evidence for this in his posts. Your use of personal attacks, rather than logical arguments, makes your position look weak.  

    Oh, stop your tedious BS in pretending that I have not made logical arguments.  I have made them and you have ignored them because you are not capable of making a refutation.  Chances are you don't even understand how to logically approach an argument, what a syllogism looks like, etc.  And yet you pontificate about logic.  Your only argument is a citation from St. Thomas and a moral theology book that you scrounged up somewhere.  In other words, you have a weak argument from authority ... weak because there's no root for it in the Magisterium and also because it's not a universally held opinion.  Consequently, what remains is to discuss the position itself.  And you are clearly incapable of doing so ... while pontificating about logic.

    I made my argument and then demonstrated that you must establish a valid distinction between the honor owed to parents and the honor owed to wives that would forbid violence against the former while permitting it against the latter.  Honor precludes any violence towards one's parents.  How, then, does honor not do the same for wives?  Burden of proof is on you who advocate violence towards wives.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #316 on: October 30, 2017, 03:29:30 PM »
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  • I have thoroughly refuted your argument.  

    You haven't even come close.  If you think that you have, then it clearly shows that you are simply not competent to discuss this issue.  Go home and take this up with your husband.


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    « Reply #317 on: October 30, 2017, 03:30:23 PM »
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  • I have thoroughly refuted your argument.  
    Not so.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #318 on: October 30, 2017, 03:31:12 PM »
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  • I made my argument and then demonstrated that you must establish a valid distinction between the honor owed to parents and the honor owed to wives that would forbid violence against the former while permitting it against the latter.  Honor precludes any violence towards one's parents.  How, then, does honor not do the same for wives?  Burden of proof is on you who advocate violence towards wives.

    Do you even understand the term "distinction"?

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #319 on: October 30, 2017, 03:32:48 PM »
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  • You haven't even come close.  If you think that you have, then it clearly shows that you are simply not competent to discuss this issue.  Go home and take this up with your husband.
    If J's husband is like mine, he is standing right besides her telling her exactly what to type. In other words, she is merely his secretary.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #320 on: October 30, 2017, 03:36:11 PM »
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  • Oh, stop your tedious BS in pretending that I have not made logical arguments.  I have made them and you have ignored them because you are not capable of making a refutation.  Chances are you don't even understand how to logically approach an argument, what a syllogism looks like, etc.  And yet you pontificate about logic.  Your only argument is a citation from St. Thomas and a moral theology book that you scrounged up somewhere.  In other words, you have a weak argument from authority ... weak because there's no root for it in the Magisterium and also because it's not a universally held opinion.  Consequently, what remains is to discuss the position itself.  And you are clearly incapable of doing so ... while pontificating about logic.

    I made my argument and then demonstrated that you must establish a valid distinction between the honor owed to parents and the honor owed to wives that would forbid violence against the former while permitting it against the latter.  Honor precludes any violence towards one's parents.  How, then, does honor not do the same for wives?  Burden of proof is on you who advocate violence towards wives.
    When I took a logic course for my Masters degree I got an A+.  This suggests that I have some knowledge of logic.  I definitely have enough to recognize the fallacies that you have committed throughout this thread.  

    I have already responded to your point about honour in an earlier post.  There is nothing logical about ignoring what your opponent has written and then claiming that noone has attempted to refute you.

    And the burden of proof rests on those who wish to overturn the historical practice of the Catholics for almost 2000 years.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #321 on: October 30, 2017, 03:38:37 PM »
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  • When I took a logic course for my Masters degree I got an A+.  This suggests that I have some knowledge of logic.  I definitely have enough to recognize the fallacies that you have committed throughout this thread.  

    I have already responded to your point about honour in an earlier post.  There is nothing logical about ignoring what your opponent has written and then claiming that noone has attempted to refute you.

    And the burden of proof rests on those who wish to overturn the historical practice of the Catholics for almost 2000 years.
    But repetitious lying is shown to be so much easier, and more effective ma'am.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #322 on: October 30, 2017, 03:39:19 PM »
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  • If J's husband is like mine, he is standing right besides her telling her exactly what to type. In other words, she is merely his secretary.

    Most likely.  I'm sorry that your husband treats you like that.  I, for one, value my wife's mind and her opinions ... even when they differ from my own, even if I don't always agree with her on everything.  She's a human being with a mind and will created by God.  I do not own her.  Nor am I interested in controlling her.  There would be nothing interesting to me about having a wife who's been beaten into a mindless replica of myself.  I don't want another copy of myself in my wife.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #323 on: October 30, 2017, 03:41:00 PM »
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  • When I took a logic course for my Masters degree I got an A+.

    Secular University logic is crap.  Sorry, I took that too, so I know.  It doesn't compare to the scholastic logic courses one receives at seminary; it's watered-down garbage.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #324 on: October 30, 2017, 03:42:07 PM »
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  • I have already responded to your point about honour in an earlier post.  There is nothing logical about ignoring what your opponent has written and then claiming that noone has attempted to refute you.

    You have NOT attempted to refute me.  No one has.  I have JUST now laid out the argument again ... which no one has touched.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #325 on: October 30, 2017, 03:46:04 PM »
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  • And the burden of proof rests on those who wish to overturn the historical practice of the Catholics for almost 2000 years.

    That "historical practice" argument is garbage.  You'll find just as many husbands, and I would argue more, who would never dare lay a hand on their wives because of the Christian charity they have for them and the honor they hold them in.  Just because you can find wife beaters everywhere in history, that doesn't prove anything.  You'll also find murderers and thieves throughout all of history.  You can find SOME writers who hold this opinion regarding wife-beating.  Others are against it.  So there's no probative value in this "historical practice" whatsoever, Ms. Logic 101.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #326 on: October 30, 2017, 03:47:44 PM »
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  • Most likely.  I'm sorry that your husband treats you like that.  I, for one, value my wife's mind and her opinions ... even when they differ from my own, even if I don't always agree with her on everything.  She's a human being with a mind and will created by God.  I do not own her.  Nor am I interested in controlling her.  There would be nothing interesting to me about having a wife who's been beaten into a mindless replica of myself.  I don't want another copy of myself in my wife.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #327 on: October 30, 2017, 03:48:07 PM »
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  • Most likely.  I'm sorry that your husband treats you like that.  I, for one, value my wife's mind and her opinions ... even when they differ from my own, even if I don't always agree with her on everything.  She's a human being with a mind and will created by God.  I do not own her.  Nor am I interested in controlling her.  There would be nothing interesting to me about having a wife who's been beaten into a mindless replica of myself.  I don't want another copy of myself in my wife.
    My husband values my mind and opinions so much that he paid for me to take part-time university courses throughout our marriage.  He thinks of me as a highly intelligent and articulate person and that is one of the things he finds attractive about me.  

    Also, the logic course I took was given by a seminary. There were too few men studying for priesthood so the opened many of the courses to lay people.  Admittedly it was Novus Ordo, but I think that even they are capable of doing a basic logic course right.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #328 on: October 30, 2017, 03:49:16 PM »
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  • Also, the logic course I took was given by a seminary. There were too few men studying for priesthood so the opened many of the courses to lay people.  Admittedly it was Novus Ordo, but I think that even they are capable of doing a basic logic course right.

    False.  Novus Ordo seminaries had the same crap logic classes that colleges did.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #329 on: October 30, 2017, 03:51:03 PM »
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  • Secular University logic is crap.  Sorry, I took that too, so I know.  It doesn't compare to the scholastic logic courses one receives at seminary; it's watered-down garbage.
    I also took scholastic logic at a Catholic university and secular logic at a secular university. Scholastic logic was superior as it was based on the logic used by St. Thomas Aquinas and others. On the contrary, secular logic is based on the logic currently used by atheists to debunk God.