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Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
« Reply #240 on: October 28, 2017, 12:20:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on October 28, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
    It is not evident to me that there are many trad men at that extreme.

    Thank you for your sanity.

    Ladislaus is still avoiding the priest question. Guess he is one of those guys who thinks the Church is what is under his roof and no more....
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #241 on: October 28, 2017, 05:14:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 28, 2017, 12:19:05 PM
    So some men can be a bit childish and OTT.

    No, I'm not talking about mere childishness but about degrading their wives and refusing to honor them.

    Again, coward, why don't you de-cloak from your anonymity?
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #242 on: October 28, 2017, 05:19:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 28, 2017, 11:54:07 AM
    And you wonder why you get called a pervert?

    And you're a total idiot who's completely full of himself.  Not only did Our Lord give such example, but the Popes of the Church have adopted the title servus servorum Dei after His example and teaching on this matter.  That would be "servant of the servants of God".  Popes use this title at the beginning of papal bulls.  But I guess you know better than the Church.  This means that his authority is not given to him to for his own personal benefit but for the sake of his flock.  But you don't have a shred of humility in you, do you?
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #243 on: October 28, 2017, 05:21:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on October 28, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
    It is not evident to me that there are many trad men at that extreme.

    And, again, evidently you haven't met all the people I have.

    As I said, though, there are many more Trad Catholic wives who refuse to obey, honor, and respect their husbands.  In fact, there are VERY FEW among Trad Catholic women who do.
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    « Reply #244 on: October 28, 2017, 05:23:32 PM »
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #245 on: October 28, 2017, 05:24:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 28, 2017, 05:23:32 PM


    I guess, then, that Pope St. Pius V was a "pervert", eh?  Idiotic baboon.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #246 on: October 28, 2017, 05:36:42 PM »
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    • Why should Ladislaus ask a priest?  He is completely right.

    Can any of you imagine what would happen if a priest condoned corporal punishment of a wife?
    He'd loose half his parishoners.
    Adults don't resort to hitting each other.  Any adult who does is just a bully who hasn't grown up.
    Toddlers are spanked because you can't reason with them.
    From reaching the age of reason (5-6) to teens a good smack is a wake up call.
    After 16-17 they should know how to understand and other punishment is more meaningful than hitting.
    As mentioned earlier  Joseph never hit Mary when he found out she was with child

    If you must hit........be prepared for the consequences!
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #247 on: October 28, 2017, 05:51:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 28, 2017, 05:21:33 PM
    As I said, though, there are many more Trad Catholic wives who refuse to obey, honor, and respect their husbands.  In fact, there are VERY FEW among Trad Catholic women who do.
    Perhaps it is because I am a woman, but that seems to me to be the more serious problem here.  Of course men will be nostalgic for the time when corporal punishment was accepted in society, if there are so many women acting like they deserve it.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #248 on: October 28, 2017, 06:01:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on October 28, 2017, 05:51:39 PM
    Perhaps it is because I am a woman, but that seems to me to be the more serious problem here.  Of course men will be nostalgic for the time when corporal punishment was accepted in society, if there are so many women acting like they deserve it.
    I feel sorry for you if you believe anyone deserves to be hit.  We are more civilized than that, especially Catholics.
    Hitting is just a start down the slippery slope to abuse.  
    I can remember 60 years ago fathers and brothers often telling a groom, "lay a finger on her and you'll have me to deal with".   Now that is the tradition I remember.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #249 on: October 28, 2017, 06:14:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on October 28, 2017, 06:01:05 PM
    I feel sorry for you if you believe anyone deserves to be hit.  We are more civilized than that, especially Catholics.
    Hitting is just a start down the slippery slope to abuse.  
    I can remember 60 years ago fathers and brothers often telling a groom, "lay a finger on her and you'll have me to deal with".   Now that is the tradition I remember.
    There are plenty of people who should be shot, let alone hit, such as those less "civilized"; besides, what exactly does "lay a finger on her and you'll have me to deal with" mean, besides an instant invite to just sort it right then and there? What are they gonna do, use harsh language ma'am?

    It is somewhat interesting that you at least don't place "hitting" into the same category as "abuse"; what's the problem then? That implies that hitting is at least possibly of some legitimate use, otherwise it would also be abuse.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #250 on: October 28, 2017, 06:22:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on October 28, 2017, 06:01:05 PM
    I feel sorry for you if you believe anyone deserves to be hit.  We are more civilized than that, especially Catholics.
    Hitting is just a start down the slippery slope to abuse.  
    I can remember 60 years ago fathers and brothers often telling a groom, "lay a finger on her and you'll have me to deal with".   Now that is the tradition I remember.
    When a wife refuses to honour, obey, and respect her husband she is committing a serious sin.  She would be far better off getting hit in this life, if it prevented her from going to hell or spending more time in purgatory.

    It seems quite likely that many women are failing in their duties as wives because there are no consequences in this life.  Women feel like they can get away with these things and so imperil their souls.  

    If corporal punishment necessarily leads to abuse, as you claim, then that would mean that it would be wrong to use such punishment on children.  Punishments, and authority in general, are things that can be misused, but that does not make them wrong.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #251 on: October 28, 2017, 06:23:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on October 28, 2017, 05:51:39 PM
    Perhaps it is because I am a woman, but that seems to me to be the more serious problem here.  Of course men will be nostalgic for the time when corporal punishment was accepted in society, if there are so many women acting like they deserve it.
    That's "okay" ma'am, let's just watch those pews empty.

    "Just can't find a spouse any more".

    Sow it, reap it.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #252 on: October 28, 2017, 07:12:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on October 28, 2017, 05:51:39 PM
    Perhaps it is because I am a woman, but that seems to me to be the more serious problem here.  Of course men will be nostalgic for the time when corporal punishment was accepted in society, if there are so many women acting like they deserve it.

    Well, men need to make sure they don't marry someone who might end up "deserving" it.  Problem is that too many men just go after women for shallow reasons (looks and physical attraction) and then only later find out that their other qualities make them a problem.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #253 on: October 28, 2017, 07:17:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on October 28, 2017, 06:22:05 PM
    When a wife refuses to honour, obey, and respect her husband she is committing a serious sin.  She would be far better off getting hit in this life, if it prevented her from going to hell or spending more time in purgatory.

    No.  Not every act of disobedience is a grave sin.  As with most things, there are degrees of veniality before there's serious sin.  Trad Catholics also seem to believe this about modesty, as if a woman wearing an otherwise-modest sleeveless shirt is the same as a woman wearing a mini-skirt or exposing 2/3rds of her breasts ... with the former being venial while the latter serious/mortal.  Same thing with disobedience or disrespect by a wife to her husband.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #254 on: October 28, 2017, 07:17:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 28, 2017, 07:17:21 PM
    No.  Not every act of disobedience is a grave sin.  As with most things, there are degrees of veniality before there's serious sin.  Trad Catholics also seem to believe this about modesty, as if a woman wearing an otherwise-modest sleeveless shirt is the same as a woman wearing a mini-skirt or exposing 2/3rds of her breasts ... with the former being venial while the latter serious/mortal.  Same thing with disobedience or disrespect by a wife to her husband.
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