Given that the Church recognized that a husband has a right to use corporal punishment on his wife (and I think there is overwhelming evidence for this) we can then consider what are the limits on that right.

But they are two separate questions:  Does the right exist, in principle?  What is the proper way to implement it?  We need to determine the answer to the first question first before we can answer the second.

The fact that there are cases of excessive use of force against wives tells us nothing about what the Church teaches about the husband's authority.

What you are writing here, dear, could very well subject the Resistance and the Catholic Church to civil penalties and closure by the government.

Perhaps what you are saying is true, that in certain theology books, this stuff was written, but it is not in the Holy Scripture. Perhaps these books should be burned because they really do not teach what the Catholic Church was taught by Christ to His Apostles.

Given that the Church recognized that a husband has a right to use corporal punishment on his wife (and I think there is overwhelming evidence for this) we can then consider what are the limits on that right.

But they are two separate questions:  Does the right exist, in principle?  What is the proper way to implement it?  We need to determine the answer to the first question first before we can answer the second.

The fact that there are cases of excessive use of force against wives tells us nothing about what the Church teaches about the husband's authority.

... and where there is excess...

A case of exceptions proving rules.

What you are writing here, dear, could very well subject the Resistance and the Catholic Church to civil penalties and closure by the government.

Perhaps what you are saying is true, that in certain theology books, this stuff was written, but it is not in the Holy Scripture. Perhaps these books should be burned because they really do not teach what the Catholic Church was taught by Christ to His Apostles.

Historically, both Church and civil law allowed for a husband to chastise his wife. It is a matter of historical fact.  I have specifically mentioned that I think it is imprudent and illegal to do such things now.  
But just what is the standard for determining Church teaching here.  When I quote Church fathers, it is dismissed as "proof versing".  When I cite a moral theology manual, somehow that is not really what Christ taught.  Just what evidence would people accept?  

Historically, both Church and civil law allowed for a husband to chastise his wife. It is a matter of historical fact.  I have specifically mentioned that I think it is imprudent and illegal to do such things now.  
But just what is the standard for determining Church teaching here.  When I quote Church fathers, it is dismissed as "proof versing".  When I cite a moral theology manual, somehow that is not really what Christ taught.  Just what evidence would people accept?  

It is obvious, dear one in Christ, that you have an unfortunate agenda -- to teach corporal punishment -- rather than to teach the love of Christ.


Christ came to institute a new commandment: To love God, to love one's neighbor as oneself, and most incredible of all, to love one's enemy. This new commandment not only went against the eye-for-an-eye teachings that preceded Christ, but also went against the paganistic Roman teachings that men had the power of life and death over their families. St. Paul even commented on this in his epistles. Yes, men had power over their families, but the Gospel now compels men to teach by love and by good example. For example, men can meat, even that meat which is offered to idols, but if doing so causes another man to stumble, then it is wrong and a sin to do so because of the scandal involved.  If you wish to be beaten by your husband, that is your right, do it in secret, not in the sight of your children.  However, preaching spousal corporal punishment in the open is not a good idea at all.


Think what harm can be done if some stupid young man filled with passions and narcissism follows your lead? Think about the consequences if his attorneys lay the blame on CathInfo when it is your own indiscretion that might even cause a murder to occur. Did Christ preach spousal beatings? No.


I am not going to download boiler plate proof texts as does Freedom, but I am urging you to read prayerfully the New Testament using the method called lectio divina. Cease this false and dangerous academic study trying to prove your agenda that corporal punishment of wives is permissible and good.

It is obvious, dear one in Christ, that you have an unfortunate agenda -- to teach corporal punishment -- rather than to teach the love of Christ.


Christ came to institute a new commandment: To love God, to love one's neighbor as oneself, and most incredible of all, to love one's enemy. This new commandment not only went against the eye-for-an-eye teachings that preceded Christ, but also went against the paganistic Roman teachings that men had the power of life and death over their families. St. Paul even commented on this in his epistles. Yes, men had power over their families, but the Gospel now compels men to teach by love and by good example. For example, men can meat, even that meat which is offered to idols, but if doing so causes another man to stumble, then it is wrong and a sin to do so because of the scandal involved.  If you wish to be beaten by your husband, that is your right, do it in secret, not in the sight of your children.  However, preaching spousal corporal punishment in the open is not a good idea at all.


Think what harm can be done if some stupid young man filled with passions and narcissism follows your lead? Think about the consequences if his attorneys lay the blame on CathInfo when it is your own indiscretion that might even cause a murder to occur. Did Christ preach spousal beatings? No.


I am not going to download boiler plate proof texts as does Freedom, but I am urging you to read prayerfully the New Testament using the method called lectio divina. Cease this false and dangerous academic study trying to prove your agenda that corporal punishment of wives is permissible and good.

FINALLY another Catholic to join Ladislaus
Too many hear appear to welcome Sharia Law.

Sorry, I've run out of my supply of upthumbs, Jayne.

It is obvious, dear one in Christ, that you have an unfortunate agenda

Note, also, how the anonymous posters tend to intemperance and their "charity" just oozes.

Sorry, I've run out of my supply of upthumbs, Jayne.

Note, also, how the anonymous posters tend to intemperance and their "charity" just oozes.

Yeah, you gotta "love" the "Holy Banjo of Benevolence", it's almost as "charitable" as...