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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
« Reply #765 on: December 01, 2017, 08:45:27 PM »
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    not, indeed, as a servant, but as a companion, so that her obedience shall be wanting in neither honor nor dignity

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #766 on: December 01, 2017, 08:58:16 PM »
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  • Still refusing to call this guy out for the misogynist that he is?  You have no problem judging the intentions and motivations of the Flat Earthers ... because you disagree with them.
    I do not recall judging the intentions and motives of the Flat Earthers.  I am not sure what you are referring to.  I really try to avoid doing that to people, whether or not I agree with them. 
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #767 on: December 02, 2017, 01:04:04 AM »
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    A Woman takes on Her Husbands Name.  I really hope youre not that dense.
    In most culture, some still today, a man buys his bride, or pays a dowry.
    She is his property for all intents and purposes. Feminists of course take issue with that fact.
    It is the natural order, and his job is to love, honor, respect and protect her.
    Are you from the Middle East? A Muslim maybe? 


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #768 on: December 02, 2017, 06:42:09 AM »
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  • Still refusing to call this guy out for the misogynist that he is?  
    I'm the one who asked Jayne: 
    Jayne, what do you think of the idea that a wife is a man's "property"?

    But what I was really getting at, and should have asked, was if his point-blank saying that he thinks a wife is a man's "property" finally convinced her that he is a misogynist.  

    So Jayne, maybe we need to ask you point-blank, do you think the [thankfully now-banned] poster who said that is a misogynist? 

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    Quote from: Anonymous on November 26, 2017, 06:40:08 PM
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    Marriage today is a secular contract.
    The Church priests should not ever ask for nor condone a marriage license, which is a secular instrument used to enforce and usurp an Mans right to his property, including his wife.
    There are little benefits to marriage today for any man.  I believe in a Church sacrament but no license, or common law with witnesses and a priest presiding. 
    No Fault divorce states mean you work and if she tires of you or finds another, yes it happens to Trads too, she takes hald + Your monthly income, whatever Judge Goldstein thinks is fair that day, + Child Support.   Lose/Lose.

    Be Smart, men.

    Quote from: budDude on November 28, 2017, 01:40:23 PM
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    The state controls every aspect of a man today and his property, including His wife.
    Yes, I said it.  
    Property defined-  That which is proper to a man.  Wife falls into that category.

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    A Woman takes on Her Husbands Name.  ...
    In most culture, some still today, a man buys his bride, or pays a dowry.
    She is his property for all intents and purposes. Feminists of course take issue with that fact.
    It is the natural order...
     
     So Jayne, maybe we need to ask you point-blank, do you think the [thankfully now-banned] poster who said that is a misogynist? 

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #769 on: December 02, 2017, 06:46:13 AM »
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  • As an aside, the misogynist idiot doesn't even realize that the dowry normally comes from the bride's father.  "Dowry is the wealth transferred from the bride's family to the groom or his family, for the bride."  But he thinks, "a man buys his bride".


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    Dowry is the wealth transferred from the bride's family to the groom or his family, ostensibly for the bride.  A dowry is the transfer of parental property to a daughter at her marriage (i.e. 'inter vivos') rather than at the owner's death (mortis causa).  A dowry establishes a type of conjugal fund, the nature of which may vary widely. This fund may provide an element of financial security in widowhood or against a negligent husband, and may eventually go to provide for her children.  Dowries may also go toward establishing a marital household, and therefore might include furnishings such as linens and furniture.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #770 on: December 02, 2017, 07:55:34 AM »
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  • I'm the one who asked Jayne:
    But what I was really getting at, and should have asked, was if his point-blank saying that he thinks a wife is a man's "property" finally convinced her that he is a misogynist.  

    So Jayne, maybe we need to ask you point-blank, do you think the [thankfully now-banned] poster who said that is a misogynist?

    For reference:  
    Quote from: Anonymous on November 26, 2017, 06:40:08 PM
    Quote from: budDude on November 28, 2017, 01:40:23 PM
     So Jayne, maybe we need to ask you point-blank, do you think the [thankfully now-banned] poster who said that is a misogynist?
    The historical secular institution of marriage in Western society often involved transfers of property and forming alliances between families. And there are/have been cultures in which a man pays a "bride price." (see link) It is possible that a person speaking of a wife as property is not a misogynist, but is speaking of social structures.  He might not mean that he personally sees a woman as an object to be owned.

    In this particular instance, I think the poster was a troll and I have no idea if his posts represented his actual beliefs or were merely intended to provoke reactions from people.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #771 on: December 02, 2017, 11:38:15 AM »
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  • I have also been asked whether I think the main anonymous proponent for corporal punishment for wives is a misogynist.  If I am categorizing the posts correctly, then I do not think so.

    His position does not seem based on negative feelings or attitudes toward women. He seems to be an admirer of historical social organization that included corporal punishment at all levels. I think he would restore all of it if it were in his power and I can't say I blame him. It appears to have been a more functional society than our own in many ways.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #772 on: December 02, 2017, 12:30:38 PM »
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  • I have also been asked whether I think the main anonymous proponent for corporal punishment for wives is a misogynist.  If I am categorizing the posts correctly, then I do not think so.

    His position does not seem based on negative feelings or attitudes toward women. He seems to be an admirer of historical social organization that included corporal punishment at all levels. I think he would restore all of it if it were in his power and I can't say I blame him. It appears to have been a more functional society than our own in many ways.

    :facepalm: you're completely hopeless.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #773 on: December 02, 2017, 12:49:03 PM »
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  • :facepalm: you're completely hopeless.
    That may be so.   :laugh1:

    But budDude conveyed the feel of a misogynist, whether real or just acting.  There was a feeling of rage and violence. That is what I associate with misogyny. I don't sense anything like that from Main Anonymous Proponent (henceforth to be identified as MAP).  Don't you read them as very different?

    MAP seems to me like a trad who, rather than being influenced by fiftiesism, looks back farther in history for his models of traditional Catholicism.  He is disgusted with the modern world but not ragey.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #774 on: December 02, 2017, 01:07:30 PM »
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  • That may be so.   :laugh1:

    But budDude conveyed the feel of a misogynist, whether real or just acting.  There was a feeling of rage and violence. That is what I associate with misogyny. I don't sense anything like that from Main Anonymous Proponent (henceforth to be identified as MAP).  Don't you read them as very different?

    MAP seems to me like a trad who, rather than being influenced by fiftiesism, looks back farther in history for his models of traditional Catholicism.  He is disgusted with the modern world but not ragey.

    I agree that the new guy is more over the top, but I still see MAP (formerly known as cretin) as a misogynist as well; I've noticed enough in the tone of his posts, the language he used, etc. to detect obvious misogyny.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #775 on: December 02, 2017, 01:14:28 PM »
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  • Tone is far more difficult to detect accurately in written media than in face to face encounters.  We lack input from body language and tone of voice.  We can probably tell when it is something extreme like buddude, but it is pretty hard when dealing with normal posters.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #776 on: December 02, 2017, 01:38:56 PM »
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  • Tone is far more difficult to detect accurately in written media than in face to face encounters.  We lack input from body language and tone of voice.  We can probably tell when it is something extreme like buddude, but it is pretty hard when dealing with normal posters.

    More difficult, but not impossible.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #777 on: December 05, 2017, 01:25:19 PM »
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  • :laugh2: :fryingpan: :facepalm: :jester: :popcorn:
    One can't help but admire his evil genius as a writer.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #778 on: December 05, 2017, 02:21:57 PM »
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  • :laugh2: :fryingpan: :facepalm: :jester: :popcorn:
    One can't help but admire his evil genius as a writer.

    "God is dead." 
         -- Nietzsche


    "Nietzsche is dead."
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #779 on: December 05, 2017, 03:50:37 PM »
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  • "God is dead."
         -- Nietzsche


    "Nietzsche is dead."
         -- God
    True, but he was a penetrating psychologist and possibly the greatest prose stylist of the German language to ever live; if Goethe was greater, he is a bit old-fashioned. That quip could have been written by Oscar Wilde, except for its unsettling gravity.

     

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