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« Reply #720 on: December 02, 2017, 06:46:13 AM »
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  • As an aside, the misogynist idiot doesn't even realize that the dowry normally comes from the bride's father.  "Dowry is the wealth transferred from the bride's family to the groom or his family, for the bride."  But he thinks, "a man buys his bride".


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    Dowry is the wealth transferred from the bride's family to the groom or his family, ostensibly for the bride.  A dowry is the transfer of parental property to a daughter at her marriage (i.e. 'inter vivos') rather than at the owner's death (mortis causa).  A dowry establishes a type of conjugal fund, the nature of which may vary widely. This fund may provide an element of financial security in widowhood or against a negligent husband, and may eventually go to provide for her children.  Dowries may also go toward establishing a marital household, and therefore might include furnishings such as linens and furniture.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #721 on: December 02, 2017, 07:55:34 AM »
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  • I'm the one who asked Jayne:
    But what I was really getting at, and should have asked, was if his point-blank saying that he thinks a wife is a man's "property" finally convinced her that he is a misogynist.  

    So Jayne, maybe we need to ask you point-blank, do you think the [thankfully now-banned] poster who said that is a misogynist?

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    Quote from: Anonymous on November 26, 2017, 06:40:08 PM
    Quote from: budDude on November 28, 2017, 01:40:23 PM
     So Jayne, maybe we need to ask you point-blank, do you think the [thankfully now-banned] poster who said that is a misogynist?
    The historical secular institution of marriage in Western society often involved transfers of property and forming alliances between families. And there are/have been cultures in which a man pays a "bride price." (see link) It is possible that a person speaking of a wife as property is not a misogynist, but is speaking of social structures.  He might not mean that he personally sees a woman as an object to be owned.

    In this particular instance, I think the poster was a troll and I have no idea if his posts represented his actual beliefs or were merely intended to provoke reactions from people.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #722 on: December 02, 2017, 11:38:15 AM »
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  • I have also been asked whether I think the main anonymous proponent for corporal punishment for wives is a misogynist.  If I am categorizing the posts correctly, then I do not think so.

    His position does not seem based on negative feelings or attitudes toward women. He seems to be an admirer of historical social organization that included corporal punishment at all levels. I think he would restore all of it if it were in his power and I can't say I blame him. It appears to have been a more functional society than our own in many ways.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #723 on: December 02, 2017, 12:30:38 PM »
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  • I have also been asked whether I think the main anonymous proponent for corporal punishment for wives is a misogynist.  If I am categorizing the posts correctly, then I do not think so.

    His position does not seem based on negative feelings or attitudes toward women. He seems to be an admirer of historical social organization that included corporal punishment at all levels. I think he would restore all of it if it were in his power and I can't say I blame him. It appears to have been a more functional society than our own in many ways.

    :facepalm: you're completely hopeless.

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    « Reply #724 on: December 02, 2017, 12:49:03 PM »
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  • :facepalm: you're completely hopeless.
    That may be so.   :laugh1:

    But budDude conveyed the feel of a misogynist, whether real or just acting.  There was a feeling of rage and violence. That is what I associate with misogyny. I don't sense anything like that from Main Anonymous Proponent (henceforth to be identified as MAP).  Don't you read them as very different?

    MAP seems to me like a trad who, rather than being influenced by fiftiesism, looks back farther in history for his models of traditional Catholicism.  He is disgusted with the modern world but not ragey.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #725 on: December 02, 2017, 01:07:30 PM »
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  • That may be so.   :laugh1:

    But budDude conveyed the feel of a misogynist, whether real or just acting.  There was a feeling of rage and violence. That is what I associate with misogyny. I don't sense anything like that from Main Anonymous Proponent (henceforth to be identified as MAP).  Don't you read them as very different?

    MAP seems to me like a trad who, rather than being influenced by fiftiesism, looks back farther in history for his models of traditional Catholicism.  He is disgusted with the modern world but not ragey.

    I agree that the new guy is more over the top, but I still see MAP (formerly known as cretin) as a misogynist as well; I've noticed enough in the tone of his posts, the language he used, etc. to detect obvious misogyny.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #726 on: December 02, 2017, 01:14:28 PM »
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  • Tone is far more difficult to detect accurately in written media than in face to face encounters.  We lack input from body language and tone of voice.  We can probably tell when it is something extreme like buddude, but it is pretty hard when dealing with normal posters.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #727 on: December 02, 2017, 01:38:56 PM »
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  • Tone is far more difficult to detect accurately in written media than in face to face encounters.  We lack input from body language and tone of voice.  We can probably tell when it is something extreme like buddude, but it is pretty hard when dealing with normal posters.

    More difficult, but not impossible.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #728 on: December 05, 2017, 02:21:57 PM »
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  • :laugh2: :fryingpan: :facepalm: :jester: :popcorn:
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #729 on: December 15, 2017, 02:24:18 AM »
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  • This thread is a car wreck.  I mean really, "beat your wife!"  Are you kidding?  No you aren't supposed to beat your wife up  :facepalm:

    However, I doubt from many of the responses that many trads actually believe that a husband has a right to punish his wife, if she is disobedient.  May he scold her?  Is it ok if he isn't happy with her, when she is disobedient?  Is he just arrogant for thinking she should obey in the first place and is his real problem just that he doesn't respect and value her enough?  I just want to know, because honestly I think most men will just give up.  Some haven't, but I think you are asking far too much of most men.  I mean, have you not met people today?  Are all your friends amish or something?  Most men and women are just hanging on by a thread.  They have no idea how to be good husbands or wives.  They are utterly incompetent as people, let alone spouses.  Of course, our culture is producing idiots.  The divorce rate is over 50% for a reason.  




     

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