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Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2017, 07:30:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 23, 2017, 03:39:54 PM
    Well, my experience is that if a husband loves his wife as she deserves to be loved, disobedience is never a problem long term.  [Yeah, there might be little spats here and there, but we're just frail human beings.]  Most women will readily obey a man who treats her well and shows her the love and the affection that she deserves.  She will strive to please her husband, because he in turn always seeks to please her.  She sees that if the husband exercises authority, he does so out of love and for their own good rather than in a self-serving way or to boost his ego on some kind of power trip.  Consequently, if she sees this, she has no problem obeying when she sees that everything is calculated for her good and for the good of her children.
    Exactly this. Thankyou.
    If you marry well- that is, you choose someone with virtue, you should not have ongoing problems that escalate to blows. 
    I would also add that a man would be crazy to strike his wife these days. If she's defiant enough that you think you need to strike her, she would have no problem pressing serious legal charges against you. At that point you have not only got yourself into trouble, but the souls of your family members will be in peril as well as it's likely to cause a split.
    Anyway, I think this thread is full of trolls and should be moderated. 
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #46 on: October 23, 2017, 09:06:54 PM »
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    • Well said, Jen.
    Good to see you around!
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #47 on: October 23, 2017, 09:07:42 PM »
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #48 on: October 23, 2017, 11:02:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on October 22, 2017, 07:37:49 PM
    In the 1500s in England, the law said a husband could discipline his wife.  In the life of St. Thomas More, it is said that early in their marriage, his wife, Jane, was most uphappy/acting out.  St. Thomas was urged (I think by her father?)  to "beat" her into submission, as allowed by law.  But he said he simply didn't want to do that.  Eventually she came around and they had a very happy marriage.  
    Was Jane not the one who died, and he followed up by marrying a second wife with undue haste?
    Also, he didn't love Jane. He fell in love with her younger sister, but married Jane because she was the elder and was still unmarried, so he felt it right and proper for the elder sister to be married first, and he 'took her to wife' instead of the sister he truly loved.
    For such a clever man, he was actually a bit thick when it came to personal relationships. Jane was uneducated, and could neither read nor write. So when St. Thomas tried to get her to learn sermons by rote, and she refused out of a lack of interest, he marched her home to her father. Her father suggested that he beat her to force her to learn the sermons, which he refused to do.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #49 on: October 24, 2017, 04:05:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 24, 2017, 03:50:29 AM
    Sweetheart, it's not up to you.

    This is why this discussion is for the men only forum.

    The talk of legal charges is scaremongering. If there is enough trust between the two then she will accept her punishment as we all should when punished by God with purgatory, or some tribulation in this life.

    Honest to goodness, this thread is really showing up the liberals on this forum.
    Notice how manly are Messrs. Anonymous!
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #50 on: October 24, 2017, 04:07:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on October 24, 2017, 04:05:43 AM
    Notice how manly are Messrs. Anonymous!
    Exactly. And so condescending too.
    Thank goodness I am not married to that jerk.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #51 on: October 24, 2017, 06:40:35 AM »
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    • "Hell hath no fury"?

    C'mon (man? Trying not to assume here) that is weak.

    How you gonna correct a woman if you've not the guts to post a username on a forum?

    Besides, who are you scorning here?

    BTW, here's the complete, non "modded" quote; “Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned / Nor hell a fury like a woman scornED."

    William Congreve
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #52 on: October 24, 2017, 08:48:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 24, 2017, 03:50:29 AM
    Sweetheart, it's not up to you.

    This is why this discussion is for the men only forum.

    The talk of legal charges is scaremongering. If there is enough trust between the two then she will accept her punishment as we all should when punished by God with purgatory, or some tribulation in this life.

    Honest to goodness, this thread is really showing up the liberals on this forum.
    Anonymous- I'm not sure which part of my post, or if all of it, you would consider liberal. It's an honest question. 
    Just to clarify my position, A humble, virtuous woman will quietly accept correction from her husband. This is true, lovely, and well ordered. But as I said in my above post, a humble virtuous woman is not what we're assuming here. If she was a humble and virtuous woman, there would be no need to strike her. 
    We live in the modern world, and the cold reality is that rights, especially conservative rights are scorned, trampled upon, and punished. You said it yourself... about a woman's fury. I'm not even talking about wether it is right or wrong to strike a wife who is out of control, just that if you do, there will almost certainly be repercussions that will only make the situation worse. It's not fear mongering, it's just the reality of the world we live in.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #53 on: October 24, 2017, 08:50:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 23, 2017, 09:06:54 PM
    Well said, Jen.
    Good to see you around!
    Thankyou, Nadir! It's nice to see you as well.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #54 on: October 24, 2017, 02:30:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 23, 2017, 11:02:06 PM
    Was Jane not the one who died, and he followed up by marrying a second wife with undue haste?
    Also, he didn't love Jane. He fell in love with her younger sister, but married Jane because she was the elder and was still unmarried, so he felt it right and proper for the elder sister to be married first, and he 'took her to wife' instead of the sister he truly loved.
    For such a clever man, he was actually a bit thick when it came to personal relationships. Jane was uneducated, and could neither read nor write. So when St. Thomas tried to get her to learn sermons by rote, and she refused out of a lack of interest, he marched her home to her father. Her father suggested that he beat her to force her to learn the sermons, which he refused to do.
    Yes - St. Thomas' first "fancy" was for the younger sister.  The reason for the second marriage was St. Thomas still had young children and could not leave them and still work.  He did marry an older, nearby widow - Alice.  A marriage of convenience?  Maybe.  But happy enough I am not here to criticize St. Thomas More on his approach to marriage or anything else.  
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #55 on: October 24, 2017, 07:11:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on September 27, 2013, 12:08:10 PM
    What should the proper punishment be for a disobedient wife?  I'm not talking about one that has committed adultery, but rather one that flouts her husband's authority in other matters.  Should the husband beat her?  Should the husband refuse to permit her to leave the family home?  In a Catholic society, should the courts punish her?
    Doesn't anyone else think it's strange that the FIRST RESPONSE for a disobedient wife is PUNISHMENT?
    To me that response doesn't seem very Catholic, mature or mentally healthy on the part of the husband.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #56 on: October 24, 2017, 07:12:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 24, 2017, 07:11:16 PM
    Doesn't anyone else think it's strange that the FIRST RESPONSE for a disobedient wife is PUNISHMENT?
    To me that response doesn't seem very Catholic, mature or mentally healthy on the part of the husband.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #57 on: October 24, 2017, 08:42:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 24, 2017, 07:11:16 PM
    Doesn't anyone else think it's strange that the FIRST RESPONSE for a disobedient wife is PUNISHMENT?
    To me that response doesn't seem very Catholic, mature or mentally healthy on the part of the husband.
    99.9% of Catholics would think so, but the OP is a troll trying to make traditionally minded look unbalanced.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #58 on: October 24, 2017, 09:23:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 24, 2017, 07:11:16 PM
    Doesn't anyone else think it's strange that the FIRST RESPONSE for a disobedient wife is PUNISHMENT?
    To me that response doesn't seem very Catholic, mature or mentally healthy on the part of the husband.
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    99.9% of Catholics would think so, but the OP is a troll trying to make traditionally minded look unbalanced.

    I think that there're some unwarranted, possibly unjust, and uncharitable assumptions being made here.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #59 on: October 25, 2017, 07:57:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Anonymous on October 25, 2017, 05:05:35 AM
    It is liberal to deny or PRACTICALLY NEGATE the churches teaching on something. Especially so when you use the "modern age" to negate it. God always finds a way for those who love him. A woman who loves God and her husband deeply can still commit mortal sins. If she receives punishment for this, she should THANK the good Lord for such a husband.

    It is also total naivety of so many trads to think that the prideful manipulation of so many trad women is not a serious matter. Depends on the object, of course, but it can lead to very serious consequences especially with relation to the children. (refusing to homeschool is a common one, NFP is another... perhaps we can list going to an SSPX Mass?)

    We are not angels and our reason is hindered. Corporal punishment is Gods merciful way of helping us to be just.
    Thankyou for answering my question. God bless.
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