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« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2017, 06:50:44 PM »
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  • St. Thomas discusses what to do if the wife has fornicated (Summa suppl. q. 62 a. 2 ad 1 = Super Sent. lib. 4 d. 35 q. 1 a. 2 ad 1):
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    The wife can be corrected for her sin of fornication not only by this punishment but also by words and blows [verbere]; wherefore if she be ready to be corrected otherwise, her husband is not bound to have recourse to the aforesaid punishment in order to correct her.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #31 on: October 22, 2017, 06:24:28 PM »
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  • St. Thomas discusses what to do if the wife has fornicated (Summa suppl. q. 62 a. 2 ad 1 = Super Sent. lib. 4 d. 35 q. 1 a. 2 ad 1):

    And it is far more than this. The husband rules over his wife and therefore must make the judgment as to the appropiate punishment. Since God is a physical punisher in both this life and the next it is a very holy thing to imitate God in this manner. Many many people learn better from a physical punishment. Any of us who were spanked as children can attest to this.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #32 on: October 22, 2017, 07:37:49 PM »
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  • In the 1500s in England, the law said a husband could discipline his wife.  In the life of St. Thomas More, it is said that early in their marriage, his wife, Jane, was most uphappy/acting out.  St. Thomas was urged (I think by her father?)  to "beat" her into submission, as allowed by law.  But he said he simply didn't want to do that.  Eventually she came around and they had a very happy marriage.  
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #33 on: October 22, 2017, 10:35:35 PM »
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  • people are advocating for domestic abuse on a Catholic forum. despicable

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #34 on: October 22, 2017, 11:08:27 PM »
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  • people are advocating for domestic abuse on a Catholic forum. despicable.
    Textual histrionics... despicable.
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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #35 on: October 23, 2017, 02:58:52 PM »
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  • people are advocating for domestic abuse on a Catholic forum. despicable

    Get off this forum right now!

    This has been the practice of the Church for 2000 years. Thats why it is in the moral theology books of the Church. All explained.

    Go ask your priest. If you go to an SSPX Mass that might be a problem.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #36 on: October 23, 2017, 03:12:18 PM »
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  •  :facepalm:

    Guys, please try to be a little less naive.

    This is obviously a TROLL thread ... along with several of the responses (including the lady allegedly getting "spanked" for a speeding ticket).

    They're trying to make Traditional Catholics look bad.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #37 on: October 23, 2017, 03:16:47 PM »
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  • Because it's merely controversial, and apparently people want to discuss it.

    This is a troll thread, along with many troll responses ... especially the guys who relish spanking women as if they were "little girls" and the troll pretending to be woman who got spanked for a speeding ticket.  People are obviously getting their jollies from this.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #38 on: October 23, 2017, 03:17:04 PM »
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  • Get off this forum right now!

    This has been the practice of the Church for 2000 years. Thats why it is in the moral theology books of the Church. All explained.

    Go ask your priest. If you go to an SSPX Mass that might be a problem.
    The Church has allowed many practices that are of human tradition to continue, even if they are not in line with Christ's teachings.  This human tradition that men are the head of the household and have the power of life or death over that household (spouse, children, servants and slaves) has been civil law for centuries, but these civil laws have been abused with many children and wives being killed, even today, especially in Muslim countries.

    This is very troublesome. It appears as if some men on this forum are adapting Islamic ideas, instead of putting on Christ, controlling their passions, and praying unceasingly. These men want to marry young women who are rated 10 out of 10, and be able to beat any relative who disagrees with them. They appear to be very narcissistic -- me, me, and more me.

    If husbands and wives were to pray together and pray unceasingly as St. Paul urges, many of these urges of men to spank or use violence in a rage would not take place. Violence and violent tempers are not of Christ. Instead a firm look and a simple sentence, "Stop, we need to pray" would be adequate.

    Yes, sometimes corporal punishment may be necessary. Did not Christ chase the money-changers from the Temple using whips? But the money changers were not family, and family ties and filial love can be broken by the violence of spankings or worse, severe beatings.

    Temperance, patience, meekness, humility, and love are manly virtues that need to be inculcated in the family. The husband should lead by example, not by his fists.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #39 on: October 23, 2017, 03:18:57 PM »
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  • The Church has allowed many practices that are of human tradition to continue, even if they are not in line with Christ's teachings.  This human tradition that men are the head of the household and have the power of life or death over that household (spouse, children, servants and slaves) has been civil law for centuries, but these civil laws have been abused with many children and wives being killed, even today, especially in Muslim countries.

    This is very troublesome. It appears as if some men on this forum are adapting Islamic ideas, instead of putting on Christ, controlling their passions, and praying unceasingly. These men want to marry young women who are rated 10 out of 10, and be able to beat any relative who disagrees with them. They appear to be very narcissistic -- me, me, and more me.

    If husbands and wives were to pray together and pray unceasingly as St. Paul urges, many of these urges of men to spank or use violence in a rage would not take place. Violence and violent tempers are not of Christ. Instead a firm look and a simple sentence, "Stop, we need to pray" would be adequate.

    Yes, sometimes corporal punishment may be necessary. Did not Christ chase the money-changers from the Temple using whips? But the money changers were not family, and family ties and filial love can be broken by the violence of spankings or worse, severe beatings.

    Temperance, patience, meekness, humility, and love are manly virtues that need to be inculcated in the family. The husband should lead by example, not by his fists.
    Again, I forgot to click that pesky box.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #40 on: October 23, 2017, 03:20:43 PM »
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  • Again, I forgot to click that pesky box.
    Lord have mercy. I need to get some tea to stay awake and see that box.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #41 on: October 23, 2017, 03:39:54 PM »
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  • Well, my experience is that if a husband loves his wife as she deserves to be loved, disobedience is never a problem long term.  [Yeah, there might be little spats here and there, but we're just frail human beings.]  Most women will readily obey a man who treats her well and shows her the love and the affection that she deserves.  She will strive to please her husband, because he in turn always seeks to please her.  She sees that if the husband exercises authority, he does so out of love and for their own good rather than in a self-serving way or to boost his ego on some kind of power trip.  Consequently, if she sees this, she has no problem obeying when she sees that everything is calculated for her good and for the good of her children.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #42 on: October 23, 2017, 03:51:17 PM »
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  • They're trying to make Traditional Catholics look bad.
    More lily gilding, by-and-large... "Return to base."

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #43 on: October 23, 2017, 03:58:08 PM »
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  • Well, my experience is that if a husband loves his wife as she deserves to be loved, disobedience is never a problem long term.  [Yeah, there might be little spats here and there, but we're just frail human beings.]  Most women will readily obey a man who treats her well and shows her the love and the affection that she deserves.  She will strive to please her husband, because he in turn always seeks to please her.  She sees that if the husband exercises authority, he does so out of love and for their own good rather than in a self-serving way or to boost his ego on some kind of power trip.  Consequently, if she sees this, she has no problem obeying when she sees that everything is calculated for her good and for the good of her children.
    Exactly,  in Ephesians, St. Paul instructs a husband to love his wife as Christ loves the Church.
    In Corinthians, St. Paul defines exactly what is love: patience, kindness, meekness, etc.
    Lord have mercy.

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    Re: Proper Punishment for a Disobedient Wife
    « Reply #44 on: October 23, 2017, 04:01:03 PM »
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  • Sounds like a skirt needs a bit of a "tuneup".
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