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Re: Profound thought on race mixing
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2018, 09:11:59 PM »
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  • I don't know if it has ever done so, but the Catholic Church has the authority to condone the government's outlawing of mixed racial marriages.

    Miscegenation was outlawed in Catholic France - both in the colonies and the motherland - in the 18th Century.

    The ban was eventually overturned... significantly, by the godless masonic French Republic.


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    Re: Profound thought on race mixing
    « Reply #16 on: November 06, 2018, 09:12:46 PM »
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  • Miscegenation was outlawed in Catholic France - both in the colonies and the motherland - in the 18th Century.

    The ban was eventually overturned... significantly, by the godless masonic French Republic.
    This was my post.


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    Re: Profound thought on race mixing
    « Reply #17 on: November 06, 2018, 09:50:52 PM »
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  • 1) The inference of thread is that it not a good thing to do.  The Church has ingrained a polarity with good and bad, and tradition has cemented the thinking.  The words used do not imply it is the RIGHT thing to do.  Take a look a Bishop Williamson's words.

    "it’s not an offense against God, necessarily"
    "still not a good idea"
    "It’s less bad.... but it’s pretty deep"

    2) The person brings up a point of history where the Catholic development of the colonies that conflicts with a quote from Bishop Williamson.

    A thing need not be intrinsically sinful to be imprudent, unwise, inadvisable, or deleterious to society.

    With regard to Catholic colonies, as I mentioned in my previous post, miscegenation was indeed outlawed in the French colonies. It was tolerated in the Spanish colonies because of the particular circuмstances: large numbers of Spanish men stationed in a colony thousands of miles from home, with no Spanish women to marry.

    Again, the practice was tolerated for reasons of expediency. Miscegenation was by no means the norm, not even in Latin America. The fact that many, many Mexicans, and Central and South Americans, to this very day, are mostly or entirely full-blooded European, full-blooded Indian, or full-blooded negro, shows that the normal, natural tendency for people to marry their own kind naturally reasserts itself when conditions permit.

    Finally, we ought to look at the current campaign to normalize and even glamorize miscegenation in the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan's mass media. If (((they))) are so avidly for it, perhaps that might give Traditional Catholics - of all people - pause, and not accept it uncritically in the false modern spirit of "love is love?"

    Heck, back a few hundred years ago they viewed the Irish as lesser evolved human.

    The Irish were never not considered white, if that's what you're referring to.

    When American citizenship was restricted to whites, the Irish were able to gain citizenship, and no anti-Miscegenation law anywhere in the US or Europe would have prevented an Irish person from marrying any other white person.

    You're parroting a leftist narrative that was crafted to make Irish Americans more amenable to the fraudulent "civil rights movement" of the mid 20th Century, by inviting them into the Marxist fold of ennobled victims with apocryphal tales of "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish" signs in store windows. This myth was more or less codified in the 1995 book How The Irish Became White, by Noel Ignatiev, a Jєω (I know, shocking, right?) who openly champions the destruction of the white race, and has, as his motto: "treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity."

    This swallowing of the Jєωιѕн propaganda that floats in the ether - wholly uncritically - is really disastrous, particularly in Traditional Catholics, who have less excuse than anyone else on earth for doing it.


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    Re: Profound thought on race mixing
    « Reply #18 on: November 06, 2018, 10:58:02 PM »
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  • Is not race itself just a Marxist construct?  The idea of all of us Europeans being "white" is very new.  You can go back a few generations and no one believed that, you were whatever your ethnicity was (Irish, German, Polish, etc.).  Melding all the Europeans together to create this dichotomy between white and black isn't something we (Europeans) ever voted for, it was foisted on us as the normative way of viewing race relations.  Whether it's good or bad for there to be a "white race" I'm not sure, but there's certainly nothing historical or culturally traditional about the idea.  
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    That doesn't change the general lack of wisdom in "stark" (i.e., white and black) miscegenation, but it does raise questions about compatability across different European strands.  It would seem to follow that a Scotsman would have more in common with a Norweigan or someone from Normandy; on the other hand, a Tuscan is going to be quite a bit further away from an Irishman.  Of course that might all not matter anymore since "white people" seem pretty content to be "white people" and have lost most connections to their actual ethnic and cultural heritage.  



    Race is not a "Marxist construct," though the modern SJW mantra that "race is a social construct" certainly smacks of Marxist utopianism. It might be worth noting that the US Naturalization Act of 1790, which restricted American citizenship to "free white persons," was passed 28 years before Marx was born.

    As to the "newness" of the "non-traditional" concept of the "white race," well, sub-Saharan Africans living in close proximity to Europeans is a relatively new, and non-traditional practice. Take an Irishman, a Tuscan, and a Norwegian who have never met anyone outside of their own respective ethnic groups, and put them together in a room. There won't be a tremendous amount of mingling going on, we can safely assume. However, if you add a Tanzanian, a Nigerian, and a Namibian to the party, you'll see three white guys who suddenly realize that they have a lot more in common than they first thought.

    I too used to reject the concept of "White People" as ahistorical and alien to the cultural worldview which I inherited in part from my parents, native New Yorkers who grew up in the waning years of the age of the urban European Catholic ghettos. No, we didn't choose to have the racial strife of the American South foisted upon us. But the fact is that it was foisted upon us, it did destroy the old urban landscape of diverse European ethnic enclaves, and to pretend that that never happened and cling to a racial worldview that simply does not reflect the real world in which we have to live and work and raise children is, at best, silly, and, at worst, craven.

    Civic Nationalism and Multiculturalism are localized forms of Globalism; they are utterly discredited neo-Marxist utopian shams that, thanks be to God, are finally starting to crumble. Real nationalism is on the rise, all over the Western World. If we're to have any hope of rebuilding Christendom, and thereby setting the stage for a future Catholic Restoration, we must band together with all the peoples of Christendom, and that, for better or worse, means, in the modern parlance, "white people." Our (((enemies))) realize this - why else would they be pushing miscegenation so forcefully? We have to jettison the liberal accretions that more than a century of Americanism and Jєωιѕн indoctrination has bogged us down with. We need to become what Catholics always were before we internalized the commands of our enemies - realists - and act accordingly.

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    Re: Profound thought on race mixing
    « Reply #19 on: December 07, 2018, 03:00:22 PM »
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  • I think there is a racial heirarchy in The World, which is there because of The Natural Order that God created.  So, we have this artificial racial heirarchy that our fake "Civil Rights (taking your civil rights away from you) Movement" created.  

    Like the order between men and women, the order between the races needs to be respected by the culture, in order for God to bless the culture with order and civility.  

    Since our culture doesn't do that, but rather has declared war on God's Natural Order and Law, we back away from the culture (since God will punish/curse the tar out of it anyway) and create our own micro-cultures to protect ourselves.  




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    Re: Profound thought on race mixing
    « Reply #20 on: December 07, 2018, 03:51:49 PM »
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  • I think there is a racial heirarchy in The World, which is there because of The Natural Order that God created.  So, we have this artificial racial heirarchy that our fake "Civil Rights (taking your civil rights away from you) Movement" created.  

    Like the order between men and women, the order between the races needs to be respected by the culture, in order for God to bless the culture with order and civility.  

    Since our culture doesn't do that, but rather has declared war on God's Natural Order and Law, we back away from the culture (since God will punish/curse the tar out of it anyway) and create our own micro-cultures to protect ourselves.  
    Because WE have a right to exist!