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Re: Professional help scruples?
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2022, 09:49:33 PM »
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  • Based on experience I'd guess that they probably have commanded him not to rely on his own judgement, but he doesn't WANT to hear so he doesn't. After being ignored multiple times most priests will just send you to someone else.
    Your husband needs to be "hit along side the head with a 2X4" just to get his attention and there are few priests that will do that in this day and age.
    He tells me that none of them have commanded him to be obedient on this matter. He says that he wishes that they would bind under pain of sin because he knows that would basically solve his problem. Apparently he has asked a couple times if he could take a vow of obedience (so that he wouldn't worry about the repercussion for not following his own conscience) but they told him not to.

    As far as being hit with a 2x4 goes, he always tells me he wishes they would go harder on him so he would know where he stood. I told him that telling him to "get professional help" is not taking it easy on him :laugh1:


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    Re: Professional help scruples?
    « Reply #16 on: August 08, 2022, 10:08:09 PM »
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  • Just a few thoughts:

    He simply must stop the junk food if he wants to get well. It weakens the will.

    It isn't enough for a man to help with odd jobs around the house. He ought to go out to help others. Helping out a struggling farmer for example.

    Don't assume that professional help is a psychologist. I would rather recommend a homeopath, as they take a holistic approach which is rarely found in other helping professions.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
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    Re: Professional help scruples?
    « Reply #17 on: August 08, 2022, 11:22:25 PM »
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  •  He says that he wishes that they would bind under pain of sin because he knows that would basically solve his problem. Apparently he has asked a couple times if he could take a vow of obedience (so that he wouldn't worry about the repercussion for not following his own conscience) but they told him not to.
       But that's the root of the problem: He is trying to run the show. No matter what he says or even thinks he's doing, he is NOT actually listening. It's like he's trying to be the 4 star general and he isn't even a buck-private.
       Don't be fooled, the root of this is fear. He's afraid to let God be in charge and he's afraid to be the ignorant peon, because maybe this, maybe that, maybe the other thing, etc., etc. etc. ad nauseum. It's all a lie so that he can be in charge.

       This is addressed directly to him (best I can do without being face to face):


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      You need to shut up and quit listening to your own opinion because your opinion is ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS!!!!
     
    You are nothing but SLIME before God and can do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR YOURSELF!!!

      SO QUIT AGONIZING OVER EVERY DAMN LITTLE THING THAT ENTERS YOUR HEAD.

      DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT YOU'RE SO
    SPECIAL THAT GOD NEEDS YOU TO DO HIS JOB?
    YOU'RE NOT. 

     HE'S NOT OUT TO GET YOU, TO FIND SOME LITTLE THING THAT HE CAN HOLD AGAINST YOU, HE WANTS TO SAVE YOU, SO SIT YOUR STUPID BUTT DOWN, AND ACTUALLY LISTEN TO GOD INSTEAD OF YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE. BE CONTENT TO BE STUPID BEFORE GOD BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO IMPRESS HIM.


     AND WHEN YOU GO TO CONFESSION AND THE PRIEST SAYS:
    "Ego te absolvo...", ACTUALLY ACCEPT THAT YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN, NO MATTER WHAT YOU FEEL OR THINK.


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    Re: Professional help scruples?
    « Reply #18 on: August 09, 2022, 12:23:19 AM »
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  • He tells me that none of them have commanded him to be obedient on this matter. He says that he wishes that they would bind under pain of sin because he knows that would basically solve his problem. Apparently he has asked a couple times if he could take a vow of obedience (so that he wouldn't worry about the repercussion for not following his own conscience) but they told him not to.

    As far as being hit with a 2x4 goes, he always tells me he wishes they would go harder on him so he would know where he stood. I told him that telling him to "get professional help" is not taking it easy on him :laugh1:
    I'm sure there's a way they can bind him under pain of venial sin at least to help him out without the priest also taking on any risk for sins committed while obeying. Isn't that sort of how a penance in confession works? Isn't there some kind of sin for not completing the penance? It doesn't always have to be a few prayers, the penance can be an action or something as far as I know.

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    Re: Professional help scruples?
    « Reply #19 on: August 09, 2022, 09:17:10 AM »
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  • I'm sure there's a way they can bind him under pain of venial sin at least to help him out without the priest also taking on any risk for sins committed while obeying. Isn't that sort of how a penance in confession works? Isn't there some kind of sin for not completing the penance? It doesn't always have to be a few prayers, the penance can be an action or something as far as I know.
    He worries that the priests won't bind under pain of mortal sin because they think he is a lost cause and they don't want to be culpable for his sins. 


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    Re: Professional help scruples?
    « Reply #20 on: August 09, 2022, 09:49:24 AM »
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  • He needs to be busier, with some type of hobby/duty/job that takes 100% of his mental abilities, so he'll stop obsessing and over-thinking.

    There are probably homeopathy remedies that can also help.

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    Re: Professional help scruples?
    « Reply #21 on: August 09, 2022, 12:51:42 PM »
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  • Is there a possibility that they are hesitant to put him under pain of sin due to lack of jurisdiction?? I have wondered this for a while.

    It doesn't even have to be "under pain of sin".  My confessor never stipulated that.  He just told me to submit in obedience to what he told me to do.  Adding "pain of sin" might actually compound the problem for a scrupulous person, since then he'd be wondering when he might have committed sin by not obeying the confessor.  Just straight out obedience.

    As per another poster's comment, why does your husband need or have the requirement that it be imposed under pain of sin?  There's no need for that.

    I don't think it has anything to do with jurisdiction, as they have no problems imposing obedience for many other (even trivial) situations.

    I just honestly think that they're not properly trained about how to deal with scrupulous souls.

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    Re: Professional help scruples?
    « Reply #22 on: August 10, 2022, 04:07:41 PM »
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  • What about a novena to st Therese ? She suffered from it too 


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    Re: Professional help scruples?
    « Reply #23 on: August 12, 2022, 02:43:28 PM »
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  • What about a novena to st Therese ? She suffered from it too
    Great idea!

    Wanting a priest to bind obedience under pain of sin is narcissistic behaviour.  

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    Re: Professional help scruples?
    « Reply #24 on: August 12, 2022, 07:20:49 PM »
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  • Wanting a priest to bind obedience under pain of sin is narcissistic behaviour. 

    And it's probably inappropriate for a scrupulous person, who would now also torment himself with questions about whether he sinned by disobeying his confessor.

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    Re: Professional help scruples?
    « Reply #25 on: August 13, 2022, 10:21:51 AM »
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  • Great idea!

    Wanting a priest to bind obedience under pain of sin is narcissistic behaviour. 
    I believe he just thought that was how it was supposed to work for scrupulous people. He thinks it's scary and he knows that it basically makes the priest responsible for anything he screws up. I really don't think he was trying to be selfish or anything of that nature, it was just a misunderstanding of how they're supposed to help him. He doesn't remember them ever specifically asking for just normal obedience either so that of course is another source of anxiety. 

    As far as being a narcissist goes, he definitely does not act like the stereotypical narcissist who is only concerned for themselves so I hope you don't think that of him based on how I have represented him. He can be pretty caught up in "self" when he starts worrying about sin or dying and being judged. Really, he basically only focuses on himself specifically when he is anxious. When he isn't, he is very sweet and considerate to others. 

    That being said, he is anxious a LOT so we are working on that :laugh1: