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« on: October 08, 2015, 12:01:22 PM »
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  • How would you politely tell a mother or MIL that you don't appreciate them calling everyday, sometimes multiple times a day?

    She is extremely sensitive and takes offense at the smallest perceived slight.

    I'll give you some context. She's divorced (by her own doing), lives alone, and only lives 5 blocks down the road. According to my husband she has faked ill her whole life, and she has been "dying" since he can remember. Before we got married, she had my husband manipulated into doing everything for her, including grocery shopping, taking care of her dogs, her yard work, fixing her house, running all of her errands... all of this while neglecting his own house. Now that we're married he's realized his error and we are having a very difficult time getting her off (it's like she stuck on like a tick). We've paid dearly for his years of enabling. She's a compulsive liar, so the situation is even more compounded because everything out of her mouth could be a lie. You never know whether to believe her or not, and this causes a lot of frustration, confusion and anger. She refuses to get out of the house and do things. She is morbidly obese, and eats cupcakes and drinks pepsi all day. Instead of making friends and living a normal life, she wants to stay leeched onto us, dragging us into her horribly unhealthy lifestyle.

    The problem is, when we say something she doesn't like, she makes our lives miserable. There is always retaliation. She pretends like she's dying, lays on huge guilt trips, gets all emotional like she wants to kill herself, and on and on. This pulls at her son's heart strings, and makes him worried that if he says x, y or z, he could be guilty of doing something bad to her.

    By the grace of God, my husband and I are on the same page- that she is way too involved in our lives, that his relationship to her before was unhealthy, and that things HAVE to change. Knowing it, and carrying it out are two different things. Our approach to dealing with it is very different. As the husband I feel as though it is his responsibility to confront his mother and lay down the law. And he has to a very large extent. Things are better than they used to be, believe it or not, but she's always finding a way to weasel something else in. I think there is a certain amount of guilt there. My husband had a very difficult childhood, and grew up under the yolk of his messed up parents. Once he converted he did a 180. He's abandoned most of the unhealthy habits taught to him by his parents. Getting married was the final straw to abandoning that type of life. His mother wants to persist in it, and therefore feels abandoned by him. Since he enabled his mother for so many years, he doesn't want to hurt her by demanding she stop, when for so long he allowed it. He has someone helping him through this (me, Our Lord, Our Lady, All the holy saints and angels) while his mother is still Godless and completely lost.
    I, on the other hand, am very direct. If it were me, I would just tell her, lay down the rules, stick to them, and that's that. If she can't comply then she needs to be cut off. Maybe I am too rigid.

    Every time the phone rings my blood pressure rises. 9 out of 10 times it is her, wanting something or telling some sort of lie.

    How would you handle a situation like this?


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    « Reply #1 on: October 08, 2015, 12:07:21 PM »
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  • Don't worry about Catholic charity or anything like that. It doesn't require you to put up with this behavior. If she kills herself, it's on her soul. If she dies from neglect, it's her own fault for never moving or exercising. A father has an obligation firstly to his own family. And what she is doing (lying, being lazy, harassing, etc.) is just wrong.

    Remember: her being alone is not your fault. God didn't take your father from you and her husband from her. In that case, maybe you would be obligated a little to help take care of her (to a reasonable degree -- dogs aren't necessary for life, especially if you can't take care of them!)

    But she divorced him. She made the bed, now she has to sleep in it. God will not hold you accountable.

    You can't really be polite in a case like this. Just lay down the law and stick with it.

    Just for starters, I'd change my phone number and not give it to her. If she wants to come, she can huff and puff down the 5 houses if it's so important. Remember, she has her own phone. If an emergency happened, she should call 9/11, not you.

    No one needs that kind of drama in their life. Even if it's family, you need to cut compulsive liars and drama queens out of your life. It's not good for your children or your own family.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 08, 2015, 12:22:07 PM »
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  • The solution is simple really: have her move in.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 08, 2015, 12:28:06 PM »
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  • Problems with a Mother-in-law?  Say it ain't so!

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    « Reply #4 on: October 08, 2015, 01:29:37 PM »
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  • For one thing don't keep answering the phone.  Let your answering machine get it.  Call her back at 9 pm.  Only ONE call a day!  And keep it short.  

    Charity does not require us to put up with being used, abused, and manipulated.  Remind your husband that is just what she is doing.  She is not treating him with the respect he deserves, nor is it motherly love that is motivating her. Some MILs can be interfering but it is motivated by their love and concern, they only want what is best for their kids and grandkids (but think they know what is best), but that is NOT this woman's motivation.

    Ultimately, moving far away may be your only solution, can hubby get a transfer?

    In the meantime remember using and manipulating people is a SIN and we should not do anything to co-operate with another's sin.  One way to look at it would be to think of how giving into her "sinful" behavior just encourages her to continue it and we are forbidden to do that.
    Here is a list of ways the Church says we participate in the sins of others.

    The 9 Ways We Participate in Others' Sins
    By counsel
    By command
    By consent
    By provocation
    By praise or flattery
    By concealment
    By partaking
    By silence
    By defense of the ill done


    You will be a SAINT in 20 years for having gone through all this!


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    « Reply #5 on: October 08, 2015, 01:45:51 PM »
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  • 1.  Get call display on your phone.
    2.  Talk to her doctor about her threats and depression.  He may not be able to discuss her with you but he can listen and get her some mental health help.
    After you explain the situation to him tell him what you both are prepared to do or not do.
    3.  Tell her what you are willing to do or not do   Put it in writing if you think it will help.
    4.  Inform her that any retaliation will immediately be dealt with all communication being stopped.
    5. Don't compromise

    The bible tells us we are to leave father and mother and cling only to our spouse.
    DO IT.

    Your Mother/MIL has free will and free choice.  She is responsible for herself.  If and when she becomes incapacitated her house will have to be sold to support her in an institution.

    No one, not even a parent has the right to negatively impact your sacramental marriage

    Pray for her and respect her as much as possible.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    « Reply #6 on: October 08, 2015, 02:12:12 PM »
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  • OP here, thankyou for the replies so far.

    Someone mentioned moving far away. We want to do that. We're trying to get our house fixed up to sell. DH would have to find another job, so couldn't technically "transfer". We've been planning to move ever since we got married, and she knows this. In the beginning, she had him so wrapped up in her that she knew he would not move if she would not go with him. She had him believing that she would die if he left, and she was not going to move. Now that he's been able to pull away from her, she is all of the sudden saying that where ever we move ( we plan to move to the country, God willing) she would like to live in a small little house in our back yard. UM, NOOO!!  That is absolutely not happening. She asks about once a week about us moving. If we did move far away, the manipulation would be horrible. She'd lie about health issues, she would say she could no longer get around and she's completely out of money, etc. When we'd visit, she'd fake pass out and fall on purpose so that we'd pity her. She would continue on with this until my husband told her to move to the same town we are in.
    When we're around her, she wheezes, and acts dizzy and unable to walk. When we observe her when she's not looking, she bee-bops around just fine.

    Last night we screened her telephone calls, after we had already talked to her that day on the phone. Today we will be suffering the consequences. The last time we screened her calls for awhile, she didn't call for days on end (it was a breath of fresh air). Then when she did call, it was only to say how hurt she was that we don't care about her, and to say that if we don't hear from her every other day or so that we should at least find enough mercy in our hearts to come and check on the dogs, because she was probably laying there dead. After we continued to not call, she got over it and started calling every day again.

    She refuses to come to our house. We must always come over there. We've told her that we will not be visiting her unless she comes over here every so often. I've not stepped foot in her house for about 2 months now. No sweat of my back, really. She'll change her tune after her grandchild is born probably. DH will go over there if she needs help hauling something heavy- but not just to visit. I don't want to visit anyway, because her house is gross. There is dog feces everywhere, trash strung out, and it stinks terribly. No way I'm bringing babies over there.

    DH has already told her that she will never be left unsupervised with the children because of her lying and deceitfulness, and this caused unsaid amounts of drama. He hasn't mentioned that in some time, and she thinks he has lightened up on it, but he hasn't.


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    « Reply #7 on: October 08, 2015, 02:25:19 PM »
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  • OP again.

    Miseremini, thankyou for the "checklist". I like the put it in writing idea. Our biggest problem is following through. It's absolutely exhausting, and she's so tricky. You have to lay so many rules down with her that it's hard to keep track of them all. I'm way more staunch about it than my husband. When she is being "good" after being warned by him, he starts to relax a little bit. She knows this, and plays on it. I feel like a daily nag to my husband to keep our "strict" rules. I don't want to be that kind of wife. Nagging makes him lose heart. I don't know if I should consider that nagging or not. When I get too insistent about it, he gets very disheartened about the conflict and shuts down. He has done A LOT to change things with his mother, in a relatively short amount of time, and I don't want to ask too much by expecting it all at once. At the same time, I know this is serious. Children are not in the picture yet, but they soon will be, and this has to be straightened out before our kids are able to observe this.
    Pray that we will be able to follow through, please!

    Thankyou for the encouragement. You all are saying what I was thinking. It helps me to know that I'm not unreasonable and cold-hearted, like she makes me out to be.


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    « Reply #8 on: October 08, 2015, 03:36:49 PM »
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  • Well, can't say I have been there.  I can say this:  those women, who have been divorced can/could go to insanity.  If there was true love for a spouse and they dump the wife, it hurts very much.  It is worse than a death of a spouse!  Agony!  And if she is in that sanity, she may not know anything else.  For those who are rejected, they need to know how to keep sanity and how to keep the line of communication with God.  Unfortunantly, it does not occur.  I often wondered about widows and those who have been rejected through divorce.  About their ways and thoughts.  I know.  It is very sad.  They may pity themselves like your MIL is doing.

    Thank God she does not live with you.  And yes, let the telephone take the messages.  Pray for her.  Agony/insanity is a horrible thing.  They say birds do that when not given any attention or spoken to over a long period of time.

    I don't know her thoughts of God, but it would be nice that she say the rosary when she feels lonely or such.  I would picture her beyond this.  If the rejection was a long time ago, she may have herself in an unchangeable way.

    Prayers for you and your family.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 08, 2015, 07:34:06 PM »
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  • This is probably an unpopular answer but you really have no grounds to continue to bring this up to your husband unless MIL is threatening you or such.  He already knows how you feel and what you think.  So to continue on would be nagging.  Spousal family is a cross to bear silently and patiently.  I'm very confident you did not enter marriage with this man foolishly so you knew his mother was clingy and controlling.  During courtship he saw in you someone who understood this and his choice of you as wife probably took this into great consideration.  Don't do the bait and switch and change this quiet acceptance.  Just put her out of your mind.  Don't take her calls.  Let him do it.  Don't get jealous of their time together.  Focus on feathering your nest and being sweet and pray for her.  She may not be in the best spiritual state and the 4th commandment requires you to work towards her salvation.

    You are focusing on changing your husband instead of yourself.  I get the impression you are a newlywed and see this as a test of his loyalty to you.  Don't do that.  You won't prevail most likely and even if you do it will be a hollow victory because he will resent you for it.

    Never make a man choose between his dysfunctional mother and his wife.  Take it from one who has seen--they rarely choose the wife.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 08, 2015, 10:56:10 PM »
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  • Next time she starts talking about ѕυιcιdє, ask loudly "Does anyone have a loaded revolver handy?"


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    « Reply #11 on: October 08, 2015, 11:25:52 PM »
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    Next time she starts talking about ѕυιcιdє, ask loudly "Does anyone have a loaded revolver handy?"


    That's not funny.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 08, 2015, 11:43:46 PM »
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    Well, can't say I have been there.  I can say this:  those women, who have been divorced can/could go to insanity.  If there was true love for a spouse and they dump the wife, it hurts very much.  It is worse than a death of a spouse!  Agony!  And if she is in that sanity, she may not know anything else.  For those who are rejected, they need to know how to keep sanity and how to keep the line of communication with God.  Unfortunantly, it does not occur.  I often wondered about widows and those who have been rejected through divorce.  About their ways and thoughts.  I know.  It is very sad.  They may pity themselves like your MIL is doing.

    Thank God she does not live with you.  And yes, let the telephone take the messages.  Pray for her.  Agony/insanity is a horrible thing.  They say birds do that when not given any attention or spoken to over a long period of time.

    I don't know her thoughts of God, but it would be nice that she say the rosary when she feels lonely or such.  I would picture her beyond this.  If the rejection was a long time ago, she may have herself in an unchangeable way.

    Prayers for you and your family.


    Thankyou for the prayers. Really, thankyou so much. Please especially pray for her. My husband and I know that perhaps we may be the only ones praying for her consistently. We both agree that we will always give her the chance to turn around, and encourage her to do so until she dies, just as Christ does for us in the sacrament of confession. We invite her to Mass all the time, and especially encourage her to get to confession. We pray fervently that she will convert before she dies.

    My MIL is a very broken woman. She, like my husband, had a very troubling childhood. She is a tormented woman. I will not go into how, but she has suffered immeasurable amounts of grief and sorrow in her life.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 10, 2015, 10:07:23 PM »
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  • Its hard to strike the balance between being charitable or imprudent. Yes have sympathy for your mil and pray for her but she has ingrained learned behavioural problems which if they interfere with your marriage, they will need to be altered or stopped.
    You have a long road ahead of you and these problems cannot be fixed overnight.  Also the dynamics will change dramatically when your children please God , come.
    I would pick your battles.  What are the 3 most interfering and damaging things she does that both you and your husband agree on. Say for instance the phonecalls.  You could have a good success rate in curing this so put this on the top of the list.
    Both of you tell her that you will ring to check on her every evening at 9 pm and just don't answer the phone to her after this.  Then you need to ride the storm of her manipulations to get you both back on her page.  Day after day stick to the agreement so that when you ring at 9pm and she starts the moaning and guilt trips use the line'  I am sorry you feel that way but we just couldn't answer today as we were so busy and straight away talk about something non committal like the weather', she will keep trying to get you on her topic so keep repeating the same line over and over again..basically wear her down.  Do not give her a reaction, do not raise your voice, do not sound naggy, do not bite.

    Tackle each bad habit she has formed with you both separately until you have cracked each one on your list.  If you try to do it all in one go you will loose your sanity tyring to keep up with each one.

    Remember you are not going to win them all.  Its all about picking your battles.  She is not going to stop lying or fake illnesses etc...so just ignore ignore ignore but do not rise to the bait or get annoyed at her for trying to bait you.
    Your husband has years of learned behaviour to so this is why he relapses after some time but I will say you are blessed that he is on the same page as  you and he can see what she is doing.  Sometimes he will not have the energy to stick to a plan and you will need to step in and finish it for him (with his permission) and not in a dictator way.
    My own mil while not as malicious as this woman thaught she was ruler of the roost in my home and I let it go for far too long and its only in the last 2 yrs that I have tackled it , one bad habit at a time and now I can say I am queen of my roost as it should be.  If you think its bad now, wait until children come and she is whispering in their ear and undermining you and your husband with them.
    Have a long term view on this and see what minor annoyances you can put up with in the mean time but what you need to sort out straight away.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 11, 2015, 08:02:26 AM »
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  • The last post is very sound advice.  I should have done this with my own very modern and worldly mother years ago and I didn't and now we don't speak to each other because of her attempts to poison my children's purity.