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Traditional Catholic Faith => Anσnymσus Posts Allowed => Topic started by: Änσnymσus on November 08, 2018, 08:52:44 AM
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My 12 year old daughter just confessed to me that she's attracted to girls but thinks she is pansɛҳuąƖ. She states she's felt this way for about a year. She feels like a girl but now wants to cut her hair really short. I know this could be a phase or not. I don't deny her feelings but at the same time I've told her that leading her life as a pansɛҳuąƖ is not God's plan for her. My husband and I are extremely concerned because we have seen a decline in her attitude in the past few months as far as being completely anti social and having no outside interests. Has anyone experienced a similar situation? I am meeting with my pastor today to discuss this.
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Do you think she may have been molested?
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You might have to give her more than appeals to providence.
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Kids today are really up against. Sounds to me like she's bought into some bad ideas. Being "pansɛҳuąƖ" or "gender fluid" is the new smoking pot or listening to stupid music. It's exploration of ideas, rebellion, etc. It's disruptive but not non-rational. She thinks she can actually be pansɛҳuąƖ. She thinks that's a thing. She already doesn't think it's incompatible with the created order or whatever idea of providence she has and now she's attached her "identity" to this idea. Not sure just denying the premise will work (though I certainly hope it does!).
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I had a family member do a similar thing. What a nightmare for parents. Prayers for you, certainly.
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My husband and I are extremely concerned because we have seen a decline in her attitude in the past few months as far as being completely anti social and having no outside interests. Has anyone experienced a similar situation? I am meeting with my pastor today to discuss this.
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So, I don't mean to armchair psychoanalyze, BUT: kids have always acted this way as they started to develop into adolescence. What used to happen, when they started to ask questions about themselves and the world around them, is that they'd go smoke weed, listen to heavy metal, maybe jump off a roof into a swimming pool, commit or entertain impurities, and read Ayn Rand. Dangerous, often sinful stuff. But not exactly a rebellion against the natural order.
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But now there's a whole new brand of nastiness available, and it's the gender-fluidity/sɛҳuąƖ identification garbage. TWenty years ago your daughter wouldn't even remotely CONSIDER that she's anything but sɛҳuąƖly normal. But now everybody has some deep, soul-searching, ontologically radical epiphany about "what they really are" vis a vis "sex and gender" and because of that, instead of you finding weed in her sock drawer or her telling you that John Galt is her hero, she's dropping these types of bombshells.
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In other words I agree, it's a "phase," but not one to be taken lightly. It's predicated on her finding credible some very bad ideas about the natural order. Just telling her that God doesn't want her to be a pansɛҳuąƖ is very probably not going to "work." If she thinks she is a pansɛҳuąƖ then she either thinks that God DOES want her to be, or that what God wants doesn't matter. You might have to go into greater detail. You might have to commit to explaining things in ways you'd prefer not to. Like, "sodomy is wrong" sort of stuff. Because that's what this is all about. She's bought into this "sɛҳuąƖ identification" stuff which is all (allegedly) about personal freedoms, individuality, "being who you are," etc. Well, some people are angry and that doesn't mean to "be themselves" they have to murder. Some people are lustful that doesn't mean that to "be themselves" they have to go raping. Some people are greedy, that doesn't mean they should steal. Are some people attracted to the same sex? No idea, but even supposing they really are, doesn't mean they should go off sodomizing. You'll probably have to make it about that. Otherwise she'll just think it's an attack on herself, which'll probably just make her commit even more to the pansɛҳuąƖity and probably seek allies who'll only further reinforce it.
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Other poster who asked if she was molested is right to ask that, too. I think there's enough intellectual rot nowadays that kids can get stupid ideas about sɛҳuąƖity and even commit to those ideas without external influence of molestation, but there's definitely a high rate of correlation between being abused and being attracted to debauchery.
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Sounds like she goes to public school, maybe a Novus Ordo mass once in a awhile, or Protestant service, watches television, Facebook...….. in other words she is living a worldly life, never having lived the faith. One can only lead by example, and it looks like the example she has been given is that religion is just being nice to people.
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Sounds like she goes to public school, maybe a Novus Ordo mass once in a awhile, or Protestant service, watches television, Facebook...….. in other words she is living a worldly life, never having lived the faith. One can only lead by example, and it looks like the example she has been given is that religion is just being nice to people.
Now she will be a nice lesbian caring for people, and go to hell when she dies.
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Now she will be a nice lesbian caring for people, and go to hell when she dies.
a brainwashed nice lesbian caring for people, and go to hell when she dies
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Sounds like she goes to public school, maybe a Novus Ordo mass once in a awhile, or Protestant service, watches television, Facebook...….. in other words she is living a worldly life, never having lived the faith. One can only lead by example, and it looks like the example she has been given is that religion is just being nice to people.
We go to Mass every Sunday. She does go to public school but attends Religious Ed classes. She isn't on social media but does have internet access. This was probably my mistake for allowing it and not monitoring it close enough. I think there are a couple kids at school who feel the same way. I promise you that she has been taught way more that the idea that religion Is "just being nice." She has a 14 yr old brother who is nothing like this and is being raised the same way.
I will ask her about sɛҳuąƖ abuse but I am just about positive that's not the case. There would be no one in our family that I would suspect, but I know if could be someone else. And before you ask, I am positive her brother hasn't molested her.
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See, to me the "pan-" or "bi-" sɛҳuąƖ thing is worse than straight ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. Often there's some psychological problem with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity that has the person attracted to the same sex while NOT attracted to the opposite sex. If you're "bi-", then you can presumably control which way you're going to lean, just by making a choice, an act of the will. So in that case, the perversion is being WILLED.
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I don't deny her feelings but at the same time I've told her that leading her life as a pansɛҳuąƖ is not God's plan for her.
I'm not sure what you mean by "deny"-ing the feelings. It almost sounds like you're validating them as somehow legitimate.
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We go to Mass every Sunday. She does go to public school but attends Religious Ed classes. She isn't on social media but does have internet access.
Attending religious ed classes for 1 hour once a month is nothing compared to the other 720 hours in the month. The parents need to teach their children the faith 24/7, first by their deeds and also by actually instruction in the faith and how it fits ones life. It is possible that the religious ed classes have taught her that it is OK to be a lesbian. Studies into the number of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs in the priesthood range from 16% to 59%! The Novus Ordo is polluted with them, do you thing they are going to teach proper religious ed?
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She does go to public school
That would explain it.
Sending children to public schools nowadays is simply not an option for Catholic parents, or any sane person, really.
Homeschool your children no matter what sacrifice you must do. Your daughter's soul will be corrupted if you don't. Pull her out of those Cultural Marxist indoctrination machines.
- Cantarella
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That would explain it.
Sending children to public schools nowadays is simply not an option for Catholic parents, or any sane person, really.
Homeschool your children no matter what sacrifice you must do. Your daughter's soul will be corrupted if you don't. Pull her out of those Cultural Marxist indoctrination machines.
- Cantarella
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Absolutely.
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OP,
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Do everything you can to get your girl out of that school. She's not just being exposed to those ideas, but that environment is responsible for encouraging, enabling, and empowering her "pansɛҳuąƖism."
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If you think you can't homeschool, remind yourself that this is now your life: public school has eight hours a day to ruin her, five days a week. You have, what, four hours a day to undo the ruining? Do the math. Even with the weekends, at very best you're just going to be able to "reset" her to "zero." And you're going to require her to live a double life in order to do that. You don't think she'll notice the hypocrisy of sending her to the indoctrination studio five days a week while you spend the rest of her waking hours trying to "undo" their work?
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Not only will homsechooling be more efficacious in achieving the end result, I suspect it will be less exhausting than the alternative.
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That would explain it.
Sending children to public schools nowadays is simply not an option for Catholic parents, or any sane person, really.
Homeschool your children no matter what sacrifice you must do. Your daughter's soul will be corrupted if you don't. Pull her out of those Cultural Marxist indoctrination machines.
- Cantarella
Likely it's too late, or at least the family will have holy hell to pay, the daughter will see to that.
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That would explain it.
Sending children to public schools nowadays is simply not an option for Catholic parents, or any sane person, really.
Homeschool your children no matter what sacrifice you must do. Your daughter's soul will be corrupted if you don't. Pull her out of those Cultural Marxist indoctrination machines.
- Cantarella
I agree completely since most books are published according to California laws where immorality is the norm, and virtue is criticized and mocked. In addition, children in kindergarten are taught to masturbate by planned parenthood trained teachers.
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Likely it's too late, or at least the family will have holy hell to pay, the daughter will see to that.
It is not too late, she is only 12. I think there is a much greater chance that the child would change her way of thinking, than that the parents will change their ways to teach her. It can be done in both cases.
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It is not too late, she is only 12. I think there is a much greater chance that the child would change her way of thinking, than that the parents will change their ways to teach her. It can be done in both cases.
I hope you're right, but I highly doubt it. The damage that's been done cannot be undone except by much prayer and penance on the part of the 12 year old. But first she has to want to change, which is very unlikely, especially for an indoctrinated 12 year old.
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We go to Mass every Sunday. She does go to public school but attends Religious Ed classes. She isn't on social media but does have internet access.
How do I say this politely?
Not good enough.
Attending a Novus Ordo or Tridentine Mass for 1 hour per week is NOT enough to wash out all the poison she drinks in from the world 10 hours a day.
Public school is death for your child's soul. You ignored this common advice from Traditional Catholics, and now you and your daughter are in deep trouble, facing serious consequences both in time and in eternity.
Better for your child to be uneducated than to go to public school. That isn't hyperbole or an exaggeration.
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I hope you're right, but I highly doubt it. The damage that's been done cannot be undone except by much prayer and penance on the part of the 12 year old. But first she has to want to change, which is very unlikely, especially for an indoctrinated 12 year old.
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While these things are true (i.e. prayer, wanting to change), it doesn't follow from the need of those things that it's "too late." That's terrible advice. Tell the parent that it's too late to save the kid and they'll just keep them in public school, all but ensuring their kid's demise.
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What natural hope remains is in removing the kid from the problem, which is the godless environment that's introduced, legitimized, and reinforced the ideas the girl has picked up. Children are malleable. Less so as they get older, but still malleable.
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Turn off your damned TV; take away her I-phone and delete her social media accounts (she's only 12, she really has nothing invested into them, but if her "identity" is based off of those accounts, then removing the accounts will help her find her true identity); and pull her out of the damned public or private school. Homeschool your children.
~ Quid Retribuam Domino
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OP,
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Do everything you can to get your girl out of that school. She's not just being exposed to those ideas, but that environment is responsible for encouraging, enabling, and empowering her "pansɛҳuąƖism."
While this is good advice in one respect, you could also end up having your daughter taken from you if you do this. In many places not being supportive of a child's "gender identity" is treated as child abuse. It is seen as justification for removing the child from the "abusive" parents.
If you decide to homeschool, you cannot say or do anything to suggest that it has anything to do with your concerns about this "pansɛҳuąƖism". Even talking to your daughter in a way that discourages this behaviour is putting you at risk of being charged with abuse. While she is probably just going through a phase and does not actually have an attachment to sin at this point, these situations have been politicized by activists who use them to force their views on others. You are at risk of "being made an example of" by these sorts of people.
In your situation I would seriously consider moving. Register in a school in the new location but then start homeschooling after the paperwork is done.
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My 12 year old daughter just confessed to me that she's attracted to girls but thinks she is pansɛҳuąƖ.
I had to look up the word pansɛҳuąƖ. It means she is a lesbian that also goes with boys. What does a 12 year old know about sɛҳuąƖ relations?
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While this is good advice in one respect, you could also end up having your daughter taken from you if you do this. In many places not being supportive of a child's "gender identity" is treated as child abuse. It is seen as justification for removing the child from the "abusive" parents.
If you decide to homeschool, you cannot say or do anything to suggest that it has anything to do with your concerns about this "pansɛҳuąƖism". Even talking to your daughter in a way that discourages this behaviour is putting you at risk of being charged with abuse. While she is probably just going through a phase and does not actually have an attachment to sin at this point, these situations have been politicized by activists who use them to force their views on others. You are at risk of "being made an example of" by these sorts of people.
In your situation I would seriously consider moving. Register in a school in the new location but then start homeschooling after the paperwork is done.
This is true especially if you live in the Communist State of California where parents no longer have any rights.
If you live in California, and the daughter feels, thinks, or believes that her parents do not support her decision to be a lesbian, transgender, or pangender, then she can talk with her grandparents, relatives, friends, teachers, pediatrician, and/or school nurse and file charges of abuse.
Check your state laws.
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I had to look up the word pansɛҳuąƖ. It means she is a lesbian that also goes with boys. What does a 12 year old know about sɛҳuąƖ relations?
She knows what she's been programmed to know. She's right, everyone else is wrong and their opinion does not matter anyway.
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That would explain it.
Sending children to public schools nowadays is simply not an option for Catholic parents, or any sane person, really.
Homeschool your children no matter what sacrifice you must do. Your daughter's soul will be corrupted if you don't. Pull her out of those Cultural Marxist indoctrination machines.
- Cantarella
And pull her out of Religious Ed Classes. She's probably learning all about the h0Ɩ0cαųst and Nelson Mandela, or whoever is the bright light of this age.
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I hope you're right, but I highly doubt it. The damage that's been done cannot be undone except by much prayer and penance on the part of the 12 year old. But first she has to want to change, which is very unlikely, especially for an indoctrinated 12 year old.
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While these things are true (i.e. prayer, wanting to change), it doesn't follow from the need of those things that it's "too late." That's terrible advice. Tell the parent that it's too late to save the kid and they'll just keep them in public school, all but ensuring their kid's demise.
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What natural hope remains is in removing the kid from the problem, which is the godless environment that's introduced, legitimized, and reinforced the ideas the girl has picked up. Children are malleable. Less so as they get older, but still malleable.
It was not advice, nor could it have even been intended to be advice, rather, it is simple reality and it is based on personal experience.
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Disturb the child's programming, and the family will have hell to pay - that is the way it works, that is the expectation. A 12 yo child who has had her mind perverted like that, can rip a family apart. I sincerely hope this case is different.
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What should not be expected, is that the brainwashing can be undone at all by anyone, except her. Were it possible that the brainwashing were to be undone, that would be the exception not the rule. That's just reality.
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And pull her out of Religious Ed Classes. She's probably learning all about the h0Ɩ0cαųst and Nelson Mandela, or whoever is the bright light of this age.
I wrote this. These things were the predominant theme of my niece's Confirmation preparation classes in Catholic Italy.
Does the OP say the Rosary as a family? I think that's the start in order to sort out this mess.
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I had to look up the word pansɛҳuąƖ. It means she is a lesbian that also goes with boys. What does a 12 year old know about sɛҳuąƖ relations?
Can anyone (perhaps an SJW or liberal who is expert in such things) explain to me the difference between "bisɛҳuąƖ" and "pansɛҳuąƖ"? There are only 2 genders, therefore only 2 possible scenarios when it comes to copulation or anything else. Therefore "bi" and "pan" are the same thing.
In a similar vein, please describe what the "3rd gender" is. Everything is explained in terms of male and female, because those are the only concepts of gender that exist in nature.
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seeing the "pan" prefix (from Greek, IIRC), it seems to talk about the fictitious idea of "all genders"
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The term "pansɛҳuąƖ" has been getting a lot of attention lately, thanks to celebrities like Janelle Monae and Miley Cyrus, who have opened up about being pansɛҳuąƖ.
There you have it in a nutshell! I'm not giving the link. Your child is brainwashed sadly.
I asked before but do you pray daily the Rosary as a family?
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Can anyone (perhaps an SJW or liberal who is expert in such things) explain to me the difference between "bisɛҳuąƖ" and "pansɛҳuąƖ"? There are only 2 genders, therefore only 2 possible scenarios when it comes to copulation or anything else. Therefore "bi" and "pan" are the same thing.
In a similar vein, please describe what the "3rd gender" is. Everything is explained in terms of male and female, because those are the only concepts of gender that exist in nature.
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The difference is based in the thing called "binary sɛҳuąƖity." When you say, "There are only 2 [sexes], therefore only 2 possible scenarios..." you are practicing binary sɛҳuąƖity thinking (which is not wrong or problematic, just what it is).
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People who say they are "pansɛҳuąƖ" or those who sympathize with them, have decided that they deny the reality of the two sexes, such that they deny the "two-ness" of sɛҳuąƖity, believing instead that there are "more than two," and they have made that denial the basis of their grasp on reality. It is an offshoot of Modernism, which has as its fundamental principle that "reality is in the mind."
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In their reality, which they believe is in their mind, they have chosen to say, "there are not merely two sexes, but rather there is no limit on the number of sexes that are possible." BTW when they speak about these things they replace sex with gender, which you have done as well, in your post here. Perhaps without knowing it, you are conforming to their agenda by using their terms. To overcome this defective thinking you have to replace the word "gender" in what you read or hear with the word "sex," which is what they're really trying to say but think they know better, because to them they have redefined sɛҳuąƖ intercourse to mean sex, so as to accommodate all their sɛҳuąƖ perversions which might not have anything to do with sɛҳuąƖ intercourse, but rather includes whatever activity or process they choose to mean sɛҳuąƖ activity because limiting that is a further kind of narrow-mindedness like binary sɛҳuąƖity thinking is. Consequently "the 3rd gender" (they mean the 3rd sex) means whatever they want it to mean, because to them there are not merely 3, but rather the number has no limit. There could be 7 sexes or 27 sexes or 1,093,271 sexes. Who cares?
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So it's not limited to 3 instead of 2, for they want to say how many sexes there are cannot be given a number, because to number it is to limit it.
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To think that it is possible to quantify the number of sexes necessarily limits your thinking, and they don't want to have any limits.
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To these Modernists, rebellion against everything and anything is a wide open possibility, for they believe that anything traditional is wrong by the fact that it's traditional. They are all about re-making the world in their own image as they please, just to be rebellious. Whether they realize it or not, they are acting as tools of the devil, who is all about inverting the truth, and reversing everything, turning reality on its head.
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The problem is, the very SECOND LETTER of "LGBTQIA+++++OU812" stands for "bisɛҳuąƖ".
BisɛҳuąƖ is very much still a thing. In the huge charts of the various "orientations", bisɛҳuąƖ and pansɛҳuąƖ both appear. What's the difference?
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The problem is, the very SECOND LETTER of "LGBTQIA+++++OU812" stands for "bisɛҳuąƖ".
BisɛҳuąƖ is very much still a thing. In the huge charts of the various "orientations", bisɛҳuąƖ and pansɛҳuąƖ both appear. What's the difference?
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The difference is, bisɛҳuąƖ is passe, outdated, limited, old hat. It's not liberal enough. To replace it is pansɛҳuąƖ, which is without limits.
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The problem is, the very SECOND LETTER of "LGBTQIA+++++OU812" stands for "bisɛҳuąƖ".
BisɛҳuąƖ is very much still a thing. In the huge charts of the various "orientations", bisɛҳuąƖ and pansɛҳuąƖ both appear. What's the difference?
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The fact is, pansɛҳuąƖ replaces all the others so it makes "LGBTQ..." obsolete. It's all covered with pansɛҳuąƖ.
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The term pansɛҳuąƖ was originally used by sigmund Freud to define sɛҳuąƖity as the basic drive for all human interaction.
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The term pansɛҳuąƖ was originally used by sigmund Freud to define sɛҳuąƖity as the basic drive for all human interaction.
You're beginning to sound like poche. You posted a fact that is completely irrelevant to this conversation.
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The term pansɛҳuąƖ was originally used by sigmund Freud to define sɛҳuąƖity as the basic drive for all human interaction.
Please don't quote that perverted hymie on this forum.
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A pansɛҳuąƖ has a fetish for bread (in Spanish, pan means bread)
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The term "pansɛҳuąƖ" has been getting a lot of attention lately, thanks to celebrities like Janelle Monae and Miley Cyrus, who have opened up about being pansɛҳuąƖ.
There is a great element of unbridled attention - seeking behavior behind all this.
Often times, it is all there is.
I notice people (especially, women) nowadays would do or say anything, just to get attention. Even negative attention. Anything is better than being ignored. This is also evident in the deranged behaviors of the political Left. When they find it impossible to get positive attention or become aware of losing power and becoming invisible, these people usually go to great extents just to be noticed, even in a negative or repulsive way.
Anything of a sɛҳuąƖ nature easily accomplishes this effect because most humans are easily drawn and manipulated through sex - men and women for different reasons. (See Dr. Michael E. Jones talks on this topic, about the clever use of pornography to utterly demoralize and control an entire nation).
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The damage can be undone. With God, all things possible. Time to move out of town ( or state) to avoid family services. And you can't trust novus ordo priest. Many are two faced because many of them are pro gαy. Move to rural conservative area. Yes, home school.).
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You have to move. It is the only way to get rid of memories and bad influences from peers. MOVE.
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Be very careful. Someone has been talking to her either at school or one of her friends is dangerous. Could you and your husband move? Get her out of that school and/or the neighborhood because something is going on there.
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So if I understand this correctly, "pansɛҳuąƖism" is just the politically correct version of "bisɛҳuąƖism." Like how "transgender" is the politically correct term for "mentally ill degeneracy"?
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Your pastor likely won't be of any help, but part of the problem, too. Most pastors these days are eunuchs, subversives, effeminate and / or apathetic.
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Your pastor likely won't be of any help, but part of the problem, too. Most pastors these days are eunuchs, subversives and / or apathetic.
Indeed, Quid.
OP, tell your daughter that Miley Cyrus is being punished by our just God for being an aberrosɛҳuąƖ (https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/11/12/california-fires-miley-cyrus-home-destroyed-wildfires/1974841002/) and perverting innocent girls' minds -- her house has burned down. She should consider this a sign that those who defy what He has divinely ordered get what they deserve.
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So if I understand this correctly, "pansɛҳuąƖism" is just the politically correct version of "bisɛҳuąƖism." Like how "transgender" is the politically correct term for "mentally ill degeneracy"?
It's not quite that simple.
The worst SJWs still quote the alphabet soup, "LGBT..." guess what the B stands for?
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Lesbian
gαy
BisɛҳuąƖ
Transgendered
I've never heard a single leftist/SJW rail against or even complain about the term "bisɛҳuąƖ". I'm open to correction, if you can point me to one. At most, the term is less fashionable than "pansɛҳuąƖ". It's so 20 years ago. So while the term is not forbidden or frowned upon, would-be bisɛҳuąƖs are nevertheless guided into different, more hip labels nowadays.
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It's not quite that simple.
The worst SJWs still quote the alphabet soup, "LGBT..." guess what the B stands for?
It's
Lesbian
gαy
BisɛҳuąƖ
Transgendered
I've never heard a single leftist/SJW rail against or even complain about the term "bisɛҳuąƖ". I'm open to correction, if you can point me to one. At most, the term is less fashionable than "pansɛҳuąƖ". It's so 20 years ago. So while the term is not forbidden or frowned upon, would-be bisɛҳuąƖs are nevertheless guided into different, more hip labels nowadays.
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I remember when the acronym was actually GLBT. I thought it was a subtle and clever trick of the feminists to get everyone to prioritize the L.
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Revolutions always eat their own. I'm sure the "B" will fall out of favor for its traitorous connotations.
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First off, you sound like you need a hug, and a friend to pray with you.
Second off, my first piece of advice is chill. I mean it... just relax, and listen to her. The more you listen to her talk about this the more you’ll learn her feelings on it. Sometimes the hardest thing to do as a parent is just sit quietly, and let the fear rage on the inside only. My second piece of advice is. She needs her dad. Girls need to have quality time with their dads. Some ideas would be coffee dates, movie dates, ice skating, since the holidays are coming up they could go out to shop for fun decorations for her room. Or maybe start making a pack to go to confession once a week during advent. Get those graces up! Also, family advent candle lighting. My husband is new to the whole practicing faith thing, but I started since we were married having him say prayers on all Sunday’s during advent (or lent) when we light the candles. It’s amazing bonding time for the family. He needs to make all his time pressure free, and not make this issues the center of “date.” Just act natural, and talk about God, His love for us, what He expects from us. Family catechism study is another good idea. Third, just pray, and monitor what you can at home. Watch the internet, watch the phone, watch the tv. There are some great routers that will give you files on all the families search websites including the ones that are in the hidden browser. Please, talk to your priest, and get support for your family. You can do this guys! She’s only 12, and that’s not to late to Guide her!
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First off, you sound like you need a hug, and a friend to pray with you.
Second off, my first piece of advice is chill. I mean it... just relax, and listen to her. The more you listen to her talk about this the more you’ll learn her feelings on it. Sometimes the hardest thing to do as a parent is just sit quietly, and let the fear rage on the inside only. My second piece of advice is. She needs her dad. Girls need to have quality time with their dads. Some ideas would be coffee dates, movie dates, ice skating, since the holidays are coming up they could go out to shop for fun decorations for her room. Or maybe start making a pack to go to confession once a week during advent. Get those graces up! Also, family advent candle lighting. My husband is new to the whole practicing faith thing, but I started since we were married having him say prayers on all Sunday’s during advent (or lent) when we light the candles. It’s amazing bonding time for the family. He needs to make all his time pressure free, and not make this issues the center of “date.” Just act natural, and talk about God, His love for us, what He expects from us. Family catechism study is another good idea. Third, just pray, and monitor what you can at home. Watch the internet, watch the phone, watch the tv. There are some great routers that will give you files on all the families search websites including the ones that are in the hidden browser. Please, talk to your priest, and get support for your family. You can do this guys! She’s only 12, and that’s not to late to Guide her!
block all non-Catholic sites
take away the phone
break the tv in half and throw it out
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First off, you sound like you need a hug, and a friend to pray with you.
Second off, my first piece of advice is chill. I mean it... just relax, and listen to her. The more you listen to her talk about this the more you’ll learn her feelings on it.
Stupid advice given from one who is obviously already brainwashed.
The 12 year old is to listen to the parent, not the other way around. This is a traditional Catholic forum, not a public elementary school.
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I’m not brainwashed, and I actually care. She needs to be heard so the mom knows what friends are putting this in her head (if they are, what the source of her confusion is, and if she needs to get more help. The young thing is 12, and still a baby. I wonder if you have kids because the more you yell, and force the less they listen. They will fight back which leaves unpleasant feelings all around. This is also a young girl we are talking about, and the bigger you make an issue the more she will buck, fight, and push away until she goes so far you loose all hope. Take it from someone who did.
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I’m not brainwashed, and I actually care. She needs to be heard so the mom knows what friends are putting this in her head (if they are, what the source of her confusion is, and if she needs to get more help. The young thing is 12, and still a baby. I wonder if you have kids because the more you yell, and force the less they listen. They will fight back which leaves unpleasant feelings all around. This is also a young girl we are talking about, and the bigger you make an issue the more she will buck, fight, and push away until she goes so far you loose all hope. Take it from someone who did.
More brainwashed talk.
This is how it works: The parent speaks, the child listens. Period. Not this brainwashing crap "listen to what the child has to say in order to better understand her". It is the parent that needs to be heard, not the child. The parent already knows what the child has in her head.The child thinks, therefore she is. That's what's in her head.
You want to let the child dialogue with the parent, which dialoguing is a major reason we are in this mess. SMH.
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I’m not brainwashed, and I actually care. She needs to be heard so the mom knows what friends are putting this in her head (if they are, what the source of her confusion is, and if she needs to get more help. The young thing is 12, and still a baby. I wonder if you have kids because the more you yell, and force the less they listen. They will fight back which leaves unpleasant feelings all around. This is also a young girl we are talking about, and the bigger you make an issue the more she will buck, fight, and push away until she goes so far you loose all hope. Take it from someone who did.
As a father, I know this much: my children obey me before I ever even have to raise my voice. That's part and parcel of fatherly discipline. They don't want it to get to the point where I'm raising my voice. Any household where the parents are having to choose between yelling and bargaining to get their children to listen is one where the father is either absent altogether, or else he is an emasculated weakling who might as well be.
Your referring to a 12 year old as "a baby' is also very telling. Our Lady was not much older when she bore Our Lord. If 12 year olds are "babies" perhaps its only logical that adolescence has been extended into the 30's.
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No, I believe that situation lanlike his need to be handled differently. If she doesn’t talk to her how will she know where any of the influence is coming from? She gets rid of the friends, but the girl still talks like this. What if it’s coming from a family member? What if she’s being hurt by a family member? Or someone at school. Talking helps. There is nothing wrong with sitting down with your child, and seeing where their head is at to help undo the damage.
I know how old Mary was, but do you also realize that people mature really late these days? Mary also was quite an extraordinary case.
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Once they get to this point, coming down hard on them won't be effective; it'll only make them more inclined to go this route in a spirit of rebellion.
I agree that the best strategy is to try talking them down.
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I remember when the acronym was actually GLBT. I thought it was a subtle and clever trick of the feminists to get everyone to prioritize the L.
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Revolutions always eat their own. I'm sure the "B" will fall out of favor for its traitorous connotations.
You're right... now that you mention it...that was pretty slick of the feminists to put the wamanz first.
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As a father, I know this much: my children obey me before I ever even have to raise my voice. That's part and parcel of fatherly discipline. They don't want it to get to the point where I'm raising my voice. Any household where the parents are having to choose between yelling and bargaining to get their children to listen is one where the father is either absent altogether, or else he is an emasculated weakling who might as well be.
Your referring to a 12 year old as "a baby' is also very telling. Our Lady was not much older when she bore Our Lord. If 12 year olds are "babies" perhaps its only logical that adolescence has been extended into the 30's.
How is a person's mentality an issue of obedience? Once something like this gets into a kid's head, it needs to be unravelled. And that happens through talking. By imposing the "iron first" of discipline, you'll get some manner of outward compliance, but you'll never know what's going on inside.
And, yes, 12-year-olds are babies ... especially when it comes to spiritual, emotional, and intellectual maturity. Not everyone is as fortunate as evidently you are to have children born without Original Sin and on the same level as Our Lady. Most of us have children damaged by Original Sin.
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Once they get to this point, coming down hard on them won't be effective; it'll only make them more inclined to go this route in a spirit of rebellion.
I agree that the best strategy is to try talking them down.
No one said anything about "coming down hard on them", the spirit of rebellion most often comes from outside influences, most often peer pressure/brainwashing at school/internet/TV etc, which are then ingrained into the mind of the child and practiced against all authority - parents inparticular.
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And please note, that's what a 12 year old girl is, a child - not a baby. Do you try to unravel what goes on inside the mind of a baby? or do you already know and even anticipate what the baby needs? The same applies to the child, particularly when the child believes she is a perverted queer. What exactly is the purpose that the adult needs to dialogue with the child when the obvious is manifest?
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No one said anything about "coming down hard on them", the spirit of rebellion most often comes from outside influences, most often peer pressure/brainwashing at school/internet/TV etc, which are then ingrained into the mind of the child and practiced against all authority - parents inparticular.
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And please note, that's what a 12 year old girl is, a child - not a baby. Do you try to unravel what goes on inside the mind of a baby? or do you already know and even anticipate what the baby needs? The same applies to the child, particularly when the child believes she is a perverted queer. What exactly is the purpose that the adult needs to dialogue with the child when the obvious is manifest?
You’ve already been told the purpose of the conversation. It would help the child feel safe confiding in her parents, and help the parent find the exact cause of such thoughts.
Let’s say she’s being molested/raped, and it’s by a family member? If the parent just puts their foot down without the possibility of understanding the child. That said relative will still show up to the house, and hurt he child. Which creates a deeper wound.
If in fact it’s just a friend/relative talking about such things then it’s easier to cut down on the influence. It will help give the parent a good lead for where to take the conversation, and how to express their displeasure, and most importantly Gods displeasure with such a lifestyle. It lets the parent say how heartbroken they would be to not spend eternity with all their kids.
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First off, you sound like you need a hug, and a friend to pray with you.
Second off, my first piece of advice is chill. I mean it... just relax, and listen to her. The more you listen to her talk about this the more you’ll learn her feelings on it. Sometimes the hardest thing to do as a parent is just sit quietly, and let the fear rage on the inside only. My second piece of advice is. She needs her dad. Girls need to have quality time with their dads. Some ideas would be coffee dates, movie dates, ice skating, since the holidays are coming up they could go out to shop for fun decorations for her room. Or maybe start making a pack to go to confession once a week during advent. Get those graces up! Also, family advent candle lighting. My husband is new to the whole practicing faith thing, but I started since we were married having him say prayers on all Sunday’s during advent (or lent) when we light the candles. It’s amazing bonding time for the family. He needs to make all his time pressure free, and not make this issues the center of “date.” Just act natural, and talk about God, His love for us, what He expects from us. Family catechism study is another good idea. Third, just pray, and monitor what you can at home. Watch the internet, watch the phone, watch the tv. There are some great routers that will give you files on all the families search websites including the ones that are in the hidden browser. Please, talk to your priest, and get support for your family. You can do this guys! She’s only 12, and that’s not to late to Guide her!
Thank you so much for this!
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No one said anything about "coming down hard on them", the spirit of rebellion most often comes from outside influences, most often peer pressure/brainwashing at school/internet/TV etc, which are then ingrained into the mind of the child and practiced against all authority - parents inparticular.
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And please note, that's what a 12 year old girl is, a child - not a baby. Do you try to unravel what goes on inside the mind of a baby? or do you already know and even anticipate what the baby needs? The same applies to the child, particularly when the child believes she is a perverted queer. What exactly is the purpose that the adult needs to dialogue with the child when the obvious is manifest?
This.
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And please note, that's what a 12 year old girl is, a child - not a baby.
When someone calls a child a baby, that's obviously a relative, rather than absolute, use of the term. I'm not stupid.
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Good resource on the subject of training in "Purity" from the Catholic point of view:
Innocence and Ignorance
by Gillet, Martin Stanislas, Père, 1875-1951 (https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Gillet%2C+Martin+Stanislas%2C+P%C3%A8re%2C+1875-1951%22); Ross, J. Elliot (John Elliot), 1884-1946 (https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Ross%2C+J.+Elliot+%28John+Elliot%29%2C+1884-1946%22)
Publication date 1917 (https://archive.org/search.php?query=date:1917)
https://archive.org/details/InnocenceAndIgnorance/page/n1
CONTENTS
Foreword ix
Preface xvii
CHAPTER
I. The Scientific Method and Educating to Purity: Scientific initiation pure and simple; insufficiency of all intellectual initiation; dangers of a scientific initiation properly so called 3
II. Moral Training to Purity and the Scientific Method: Moral education and chastity; sɛҳuąƖ pedagogy; moral education and scientific initiation 29
III. The Method of Silence and the Method of Common Sense: The method of silence for training to purity ; reciprocal influence of nature and of grace in training to purity; the sentiment of modesty in educating to purity 68
IV. Ignorance of To-day and Innocence of Tomorrow: Social facts and innocence; indefinite knowledge and innocence 117
V. A Tentative Programme of Educating to Purity According to the Common-sense Method: Negative education in purity and the social source9 of corruption; positive education in purity — individual method ; positive education in purity — collective method 139
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Stupid advice given from one who is obviously already brainwashed.
The 12 year old is to listen to the parent, not the other way around. This is a traditional Catholic forum, not a public elementary school.
If you don't listen to the symptoms you can't find a cure. Something is seriously wrong in this girl's life and her parents need to figure out what it is. At her age the evil influence is almost certainly a relative, a family friend or someone at school. If the parents don't listen how are they going to discover the source? When my aunt was 17 she thought she was a lesbian. Instead of dealing with the adult family friend who seduced her all the pressure was on my aunt who ran away and except for the occasional appearance she never came home again until she was in her 60s and dying. A lot of stuff can be nipped in the bud depending on how parent handles it. Stephen King ( a terrible human being) admits that his daughter is a lesbian today because he was intoxicated for her entire childhood. What was it like growing up with a mean drunk who was also living on cocaine? Had he behaved like a man, his daughter would not have had her mind poisoned and would not have turned to a "kindly" older woman who seemed to her to be helping her deal with her horrible home life.