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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2019, 09:46:12 PM »
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  • I think your kids should stay, and encourage all the kids to quit saying the dialogue mass.  Maybe you could give them info to pass around to their friends.  One day the priest would show up ready to dialogue, and be confronted with dead silence.  That would be wonderful.

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    « Reply #16 on: August 14, 2019, 08:25:37 AM »
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  • With serious reservations, but based on a majority decision of priests I consulted, I enrolled my kids in an sspx school.

    The overarching rule being that I remain daily vigilant about what is happening socially, liturgically, etc. to ensure they are not being inculcated with a conciliatory attitude towards modernist Rome.

    Moments ago I discovered that, despite our instruction to our children that they not make the responses during the dialogue Mass, the teachers are pressuring them to disregard our instruction.

    One teacher removed my child from class to speak with him in the hallway about how good and important it is to make the responses, and another teacher told my other child’s class that whoever made the responses would receive two marbles (my child perceived that this was in response to this teachers’ having discovered that he was not making the responses).

    Now whether or not one likes the dialogue mass is not the immediate concern.  What is the immediate concern is that on the one hand, I have never heard of or experienced a Mass in which one was forced to make the responses (can we no longer pray the Rosary or read our missals or simply make our own devotions?), and even more troubling is that the teachers are aware of our instructions to our children (one of my children told the teacher to take it up with us, which made me proud, but they never did), but are apparently pressuring them anyway.

    I am not sure I can continue to keep my kids in an environment which will result in a struggle for their formation.

    On the flip side, things will be very difficult if we are forced to homeschool.  

    I am very upset to be put in this position (even angry), since I had thought and hoped the school would look the other way regarding the responses.

    There are other issues as well (eg., my children are singled out by their peers for not standing during the angus dei or the Sanctus, etc).

    If you were in my position, do you think this pressuring crosses the line which should result in my pulling them from the school?

    I guess I still need to clarify whether the pressuring has continued after my child told the teacher to take it up with us.

    I don’t want to be rash, but I don’t want to be negligent.

    This is very difficult for me, and any constructive commentary would be much appreciated.
    I cannot believe you are treating this as though it's some kind of heresy.


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    Re: Pressuring kids to say dialogue mass
    « Reply #17 on: August 14, 2019, 08:27:30 AM »
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  • I cannot believe you are treating this as though it's some kind of heresy.
    It is called conviction, she has conviction, you do not. The Dialogue mass was a stepping stone to the Novus Ordo. 

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    « Reply #18 on: August 14, 2019, 09:03:22 AM »
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  • Exactly.  The liturgical innovators began the dialogue mass without permission, spreading and networking through monasteries, later gaining the permissions of liberal bishops who eventually succeeded in having Rome bless their modernist practices/principles.

    The sspx thinks they will do the same thing with Rome (grass roots reform).

    What they don’t realize is that the modernists occupy Rome, so traditionalism will not be permitted to percolate upward as the liturgical revolutionaries did in the wake of Pius X’s weak successors (Benedict XV, who abolished the Sodalitium, giving the green light to the modernists to come out of hiding).

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    Re: Pressuring kids to say dialogue mass
    « Reply #19 on: August 14, 2019, 01:41:12 PM »
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  • This sounds like a huge overreaction to what was probably just a mild misunderstanding. The teachers likely just assumed that your children weren't responding because they were bored or being irreverent. I'm sure quick conversation with the teacher to let them know why your kids don't want to say the responses would settle the issue.

    Isolating your children from their peers will do them much more harm than the Dialogue Mass.


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    « Reply #20 on: August 14, 2019, 02:00:55 PM »
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  • This sounds like a huge overreaction to what was probably just a mild misunderstanding. The teachers likely just assumed that your children weren't responding because they were bored or being irreverent. I'm sure quick conversation with the teacher to let them know why your kids don't want to say the responses would settle the issue.

    Isolating your children from their peers will do them much more harm than the Dialogue Mass.
    We had already had that talk with one of the teachers involved.  
    As for isolating them from their peers being damaging, that presumes their peers are good influences, which given the ralliement milieu, I do not believe to be the case (in fact, I think it much more deleterious than the dialogue mass thing).

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    « Reply #21 on: August 14, 2019, 04:01:18 PM »
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  • I am the OP: Just found out that we received this information while, unbeknownst to me, my wife and mother were saying a novena for this intention (i.e., whether or not our kids should go to the school).  It was apparently on the 7th day of the novena that the kids gave my wife this info, and the 9th day of the Novena is the school's registration deadline (Aug. 15)!  To me, that sounds like heaven has approved our decision.  I don't believe in coincidences.

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    Re: Pressuring kids to say dialogue mass
    « Reply #22 on: August 14, 2019, 04:49:02 PM »
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  • I don't know a whole lot about the dialogue mass, but it seems like the real issue here is circumventing of parental authority, not the dialogue mass per se.



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    Re: Pressuring kids to say dialogue mass
    « Reply #23 on: August 14, 2019, 05:43:49 PM »
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  • I am the OP: Just found out that we received this information while, unbeknownst to me, my wife and mother were saying a novena for this intention (i.e., whether or not our kids should go to the school).  It was apparently on the 7th day of the novena that the kids gave my wife this info, and the 9th day of the Novena is the school's registration deadline (Aug. 15)!  To me, that sounds like heaven has approved our decision.  I don't believe in coincidences.
    Are you the only parents in the school with that concern? If not, maybe a bigger group could address the issue with the school principal just like the Canadians in Calgary did with the diversity issue in the school handbook. 

     

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