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Pressuring kids to say dialogue mass
« on: August 13, 2019, 08:23:23 AM »
With serious reservations, but based on a majority decision of priests I consulted, I enrolled my kids in an sspx school.

The overarching rule being that I remain daily vigilant about what is happening socially, liturgically, etc. to ensure they are not being inculcated with a conciliatory attitude towards modernist Rome.

Moments ago I discovered that, despite our instruction to our children that they not make the responses during the dialogue Mass, the teachers are pressuring them to disregard our instruction.

One teacher removed my child from class to speak with him in the hallway about how good and important it is to make the responses, and another teacher told my other child’s class that whoever made the responses would receive two marbles (my child perceived that this was in response to this teachers’ having discovered that he was not making the responses).

Now whether or not one likes the dialogue mass is not the immediate concern.  What is the immediate concern is that on the one hand, I have never heard of or experienced a Mass in which one was forced to make the responses (can we no longer pray the Rosary or read our missals or simply make our own devotions?), and even more troubling is that the teachers are aware of our instructions to our children (one of my children told the teacher to take it up with us, which made me proud, but they never did), but are apparently pressuring them anyway.

I am not sure I can continue to keep my kids in an environment which will result in a struggle for their formation.

On the flip side, things will be very difficult if we are forced to homeschool.  

I am very upset to be put in this position (even angry), since I had thought and hoped the school would look the other way regarding the responses.

There are other issues as well (eg., my children are singled out by their peers for not standing during the angus dei or the Sanctus, etc).

If you were in my position, do you think this pressuring crosses the line which should result in my pulling them from the school?

I guess I still need to clarify whether the pressuring has continued after my child told the teacher to take it up with us.

I don’t want to be rash, but I don’t want to be negligent.

This is very difficult for me, and any constructive commentary would be much appreciated.

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Re: Pressuring kids to say dialogue mass
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2019, 09:22:13 AM »
They are an organization based in France and started by a French archbishop — therefore, they will retain French customs. Like the Dialogue Mass.


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Re: Pressuring kids to say dialogue mass
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2019, 09:31:40 AM »
With serious reservations, but based on a majority decision of priests I consulted, I enrolled my kids in an sspx school.

The overarching rule being that I remain daily vigilant about what is happening socially, liturgically, etc. to ensure they are not being inculcated with a conciliatory attitude towards modernist Rome.

Moments ago I discovered that, despite our instruction to our children that they not make the responses during the dialogue Mass, the teachers are pressuring them to disregard our instruction.

One teacher removed my child from class to speak with him in the hallway about how good and important it is to make the responses, and another teacher told my other child’s class that whoever made the responses would receive two marbles (my child perceived that this was in response to this teachers’ having discovered that he was not making the responses).

Now whether or not one likes the dialogue mass is not the immediate concern.  What is the immediate concern is that on the one hand, I have never heard of or experienced a Mass in which one was forced to make the responses (can we no longer pray the Rosary or read our missals or simply make our own devotions?), and even more troubling is that the teachers are aware of our instructions to our children (one of my children told the teacher to take it up with us, which made me proud, but they never did), but are apparently pressuring them anyway.

I am not sure I can continue to keep my kids in an environment which will result in a struggle for their formation.

On the flip side, things will be very difficult if we are forced to homeschool.  

I am very upset to be put in this position (even angry), since I had thought and hoped the school would look the other way regarding the responses.

There are other issues as well (eg., my children are singled out by their peers for not standing during the angus dei or the Sanctus, etc).

If you were in my position, do you think this pressuring crosses the line which should result in my pulling them from the school?

I guess I still need to clarify whether the pressuring has continued after my child told the teacher to take it up with us.

I don’t want to be rash, but I don’t want to be negligent.

This is very difficult for me, and any constructive commentary would be much appreciated.
The dialogue mass is a novelty from the late 1930's, that caught on big in France, but not in English speaking countries. It is not a custom in English speaking countries but a total novelty. Foreign priests were always instructed not to change the customs of the countries to which they are sent, but today the SSPX priests think they know better and that Americans are idiots. They are teaching the children what they will not say to the parents, so they are cowards, unless they first force the parents to do the Dialogue Mass, which of course is changing the local customs and always forbidden. If it were I, I would tell the person in charge that you do not authorize them to challenge your authority on this matter, to have your children excused from this novelty. 

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Re: Pressuring kids to say dialogue mass
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2019, 09:34:53 AM »
With serious reservations, but based on a majority decision of priests I consulted, I enrolled my kids in an sspx school.

The overarching rule being that I remain daily vigilant about what is happening socially, liturgically, etc. to ensure they are not being inculcated with a conciliatory attitude towards modernist Rome.

Moments ago I discovered that, despite our instruction to our children that they not make the responses during the dialogue Mass, the teachers are pressuring them to disregard our instruction.
That is why that school only has 30 students for the last 10 years, everybody comes with hope and very soon leaves when they see these realities

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Re: Pressuring kids to say dialogue mass
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2019, 10:18:21 AM »

On the flip side, things will be very difficult if we are forced to homeschool.  

I am very upset to be put in this position (even angry), since I had thought and hoped the school would look the other way regarding the responses.

There are other issues as well (eg., my children are singled out by their peers for not standing during the angus dei or the Sanctus, etc).

If you were in my position, do you think this pressuring crosses the line which should result in my pulling them from the school?

I guess I still need to clarify whether the pressuring has continued after my child told the teacher to take it up with us.

I don’t want to be rash, but I don’t want to be negligent.

This is very difficult for me, and any constructive commentary would be much appreciated.
As soon as possible, clarify with both your children and their teachers if the pressure is still on. If so tell the teachers that they need to stop pressuring your kids. If they say "no", then go to the Priest and tell him to please respect your decision and call an end to the pressure. Now if he says "no", then you will need to pull them out as you will only have more  battels at that schools and more stress than you would homeschooling.