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Re: Pray For Me Please
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2022, 06:55:01 AM »
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  • If your spiritual director has lost patience with you, it’s likely because you refuse to submit your judgment to his ... in which case you’re just wasting his time constantly second-guessing him and telling him you that your warped mind has a better grasp on reality than his judgment.

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    Re: Pray For Me Please
    « Reply #16 on: May 07, 2022, 12:02:58 PM »
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  • C'mon Lad, don't tell the guy (or girl) to get on meds.  Meds to most people are pharmaJєωticals and people don't need to be on that trash.

    OP, for someone that has had anxiety, one thing that really helped me was St. John's Wort.  I take about a 900 mg per day and no longer have anxiety issues and it helps calm my often racing mind.  It should not be taken with "meds" though and please do proper research on it before trying it to see if it's right for you and how much to take.  Passion Flower is another anti-anxiety plant that works a little differently that also may be of benefit to you. 

    I also used to be scrupulous and what helped me get away from that was reading good Catholic Books and praying to be released from it after recognizing (being shown) that's what was going on with me.   Don't focus too much on... (nervous mind) "...a...aa.....am I Catholic?," "...a....aaa....am I in a State of Grace..I HAVE to know...," etc.  I've seen a couple people fall into this and end up saying and believing things like we haven't had a true pope in 1000 years.

    Focus on prayer, penance, fasting, almsgiving and living like a Catholic should and let God do what He Will's with you.  


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    Re: Pray For Me Please
    « Reply #17 on: May 07, 2022, 01:11:36 PM »
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  • If your spiritual director has lost patience with you, it’s likely because you refuse to submit your judgment to his ... in which case you’re just wasting his time constantly second-guessing him and telling him you that your warped mind has a better grasp on reality than his judgment.
    Did I miss something?  Did he say such?
    Not all spiritual advisors walk away because we refuse to submit.  Sometimes they don't know how to help or are overwhelmed by anxiety of the issue.

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    « Reply #18 on: May 07, 2022, 01:14:53 PM »
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  • C'mon Lad, don't tell the guy (or girl) to get on meds.  Meds to most people are pharmaJєωticals and people don't need to be on that trash.

    OP, for someone that has had anxiety, one thing that really helped me was St. John's Wort.  I take about a 900 mg per day and no longer have anxiety issues and it helps calm my often racing mind.  It should not be taken with "meds" though and please do proper research on it before trying it to see if it's right for you and how much to take.  Passion Flower is another anti-anxiety plant that works a little differently that also may be of benefit to you. 

    I also used to be scrupulous and what helped me get away from that was reading good Catholic Books and praying to be released from it after recognizing (being shown) that's what was going on with me.  Don't focus too much on... (nervous mind) "...a...aa.....am I Catholic?," "...a....aaa....am I in a State of Grace..I HAVE to know...," etc.  I've seen a couple people fall into this and end up saying and believing things like we haven't had a true pope in 1000 years.

    Focus on prayer, penance, fasting, almsgiving and living like a Catholic should and let God do what He Will's with you. 
    Excellent!
    I take 5HTP at night to help me sleep and ashwaganda during the daytime.   I switch every month between ashwaganda and white willow bark drops since it is not a good idea to take an herb more than one month at a time.

    Trust in the Holy Family, do what you can, and let God do what He wills in your life.

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    Re: Pray For Me Please
    « Reply #19 on: May 07, 2022, 02:41:06 PM »
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  • If your spiritual director has lost patience with you, it’s likely because you refuse to submit your judgment to his ... in which case you’re just wasting his time constantly second-guessing him and telling him you that your warped mind has a better grasp on reality than his judgment.
    OP here. Thanks for your patience and help. I can see this in a sense but it is not exactly from the second guessing but because I have trouble calming anxieties. He told me I needed to seek some sort of medical help and I told him I couldn't trust any doctor. It is unfortunate. I will try the supplement route as this seems to be the best way to follow his advice without taking pharma poisons. I am very fearful of doctors because I was poisoned a lot as a child and my mind has been permanently damaged from it. I was put on medications against my will from ages 5-17 and no matter how torturous life is now it is infinitely better than before. If it is honestly God's will that I see a doctor then I guess I need to pray on this.

    Stubborn thanks too. I primarily listen to spiritual content and do indulge in instrumental polyphony but only at night. At work and in the car I just listen to St. Francis de Sales and St. John M. Vianney lately. I tend to listen to Catholic audiobooks exclusively because any real world news or content is just aimed at stressing me out or brainwashing me. If you have any other suggestions please let me know because I do genuinely want out of this hole. Father Quadrupani is good too but my mind is so crazy that I can find many loopholes to his suggestions.

    Anonymous posters thanks too. I am currently taking Magnesium, Citocoline, L-Theanine, Piracetam. I bought some Bacopa recently. I have 5-HTP.

    God love you all.


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    Re: Pray For Me Please
    « Reply #20 on: May 07, 2022, 07:45:40 PM »
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    Re: Pray For Me Please
    « Reply #21 on: May 08, 2022, 07:13:52 AM »
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  • As the saints of old have done in such situations, do a 3 day fast eating nothing. This kind of demon only comes out with much prayer and fasting. As it is the apparition of michael the archangel today, ask him to defend you in battle.

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    Re: Pray For Me Please
    « Reply #22 on: May 08, 2022, 03:29:17 PM »
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  • Stubborn thanks too. I primarily listen to spiritual content and do indulge in instrumental polyphony but only at night. At work and in the car I just listen to St. Francis de Sales and St. John M. Vianney lately. I tend to listen to Catholic audiobooks exclusively because any real world news or content is just aimed at stressing me out or brainwashing me. If you have any other suggestions please let me know because I do genuinely want out of this hole. Father Quadrupani is good too but my mind is so crazy that I can find many loopholes to his suggestions.
    I've listened to a lot of different priests' talks and sermons, but for your particular situation as I see it, your faith needs a "shot of epinephrine" then nutrition, which is why I recommended listening to Fr. Wathen, who remained true to his ordination oath till his death.

     While there are some very good sermon / talks from other of the indult priests out there, the best way I can put it, is that everyone one of them lacks what you are immediately in need of - in my opinion.

    For me, I do not drive much any more so I mainly listen to Catholic sermons and talks on that link on my phone when I go to bed. Been doing it this way for about the last 15 years pretty much every night, mainly with the sermons from that link I posted and I recommend you do the same - and pray 15 decades of the rosary every single day.....start with only a few decades every day and work your way up if you must, but do it.

    There are some things we Catholics must do for our hope of salvation, praying 15 decades daily is one of them.
    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Pray For Me Please
    « Reply #23 on: May 08, 2022, 08:35:24 PM »
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  • OP here. Thanks for your patience and help. I can see this in a sense but it is not exactly from the second guessing but because I have trouble calming anxieties. He told me I needed to seek some sort of medical help and I told him I couldn't trust any doctor. It is unfortunate. I will try the supplement route as this seems to be the best way to follow his advice without taking pharma poisons. 
    Turmeric is very effective, and quick acting, in reducing anxiety.  I cook a lot of curries for that reason.  Eggs are also very helpful, containing natural tryptophan.  Sometimes I just sprinkle curry on my eggs and cheese.
    please pray for me

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    « Reply #24 on: May 08, 2022, 08:42:11 PM »
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  • Turmeric is very effective, and quick acting, in reducing anxiety.  I cook a lot of curries for that reason.  Eggs are also very helpful, containing natural tryptophan.  Sometimes I just sprinkle curry on my eggs and cheese.
    If you want tryptophan, turkey is the #1 food.
    Thanks for the tip about turmeric.  I take it for inflammation. 

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    Re: Pray For Me Please
    « Reply #25 on: May 08, 2022, 08:57:34 PM »
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  • Hot sauce/salsa/hot spices if you can handle them are amazing.

    I discovered this naturally by noticing a difference after eating them and looked them up and lo and behold---it's scientifically proven.

    They are anti-depressant, anti-anxiety and anti-inflammatory. :)



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    Re: Pray For Me Please
    « Reply #26 on: May 08, 2022, 09:08:44 PM »
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  • I take one Valerian and one St John's Wort capsule if I feel anxious or if I think I might based on what I will be doing (stressful work). I recently found and have tried Ashwagandha, which seems to help too, but will power and consciously trying to calm myself are always in use just in case. I still notice a difference with these herbs.

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    Re: Pray For Me Please
    « Reply #27 on: May 09, 2022, 01:08:14 AM »
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  • Stop obsessing about yourself.  Scruples comes from self-absorption and pride.  Make acts of love for God for His sake and not for yours.  You need to snap out of this self pity.  If you live to love and serve God (rather than to save yourself), then saving yourself takes care of itself.

    Scrupulous people are arrogant.  We’ve already told you to put yourself under total obedience to your confessor.  Let him decide for you what is grave sin and what isn’t.  Your distorted opinion is irrelevant.  That’s the only remedy.  But some of the more extreme scrupulous refuse to submit their own judgment and continue to second guess their confessor.  Stop that nonsense.  Snap out of this self pity and self absorption.  You need to tell God:  “If I am lost, then glory to you.  I want to love you and serve you as well as I can anyway.”  What you need is a bucket of cold water thrown on your head to snap you out of this.

    Go to confession whether you “feel like” it or not, tell the priest what’s going on, and let him decide whether to absolve you or not.  If he decides to absolve, you’re absolved ... unless you deliberately conceal mortal sin.  But in your warped state of mind, everything is mortal sin.  Tell your confessor to determine for you what’s mortal and what isn’t.

    Also sounds like you could use some anti-anxiety meds.
    Narcissistic personality disorder aka PRIDE might also be involved. I've encountered people who were reprimanded by the pastor and even those close to them but they would self-justify by saying they've prayed over the matter and decided that the priest and others are wrong. Probably they've never heard of this thing called malformed consciences.

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    Re: Pray For Me Please
    « Reply #28 on: May 09, 2022, 09:41:46 AM »
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  • Narcissistic personality disorder aka PRIDE might also be involved. I've encountered people who were reprimanded by the pastor and even those close to them but they would self-justify by saying they've prayed over the matter and decided that the priest and others are wrong. Probably they've never heard of this thing called malformed consciences.

    Unquestioning obedience to your Confessor is the only real cure for scruples.  I struggled with scruples myself (not to the extent OP describes), but to the point that I was always wondering if I was in mortal sin.  That's a common condition when various thoughts pop into your head and you're confused about whether there was consent.  In any case, my Confessor ordered me that unless I could basically swear to him that I had committed a mortal sin, I was not to refrain from Holy Communion and I was not to confess it as mortal sin.  He told me that if I was mistaken, then the fault would lie with him and not me, and that God wants obedience more than anything else.  So once you reconcile yourself to this mentality, to let your Confessor's judgment trump your own judgment, instead of always second-guessing him, that'll put your conscience at peace.

    Now, I'm not talking about theological disputes, where it's OK for an individual Catholic to disagree with a priest, since this Crisis hasn't been sorted out by the Church ... but about internal forum matters and the application of moral theology.

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    Re: Pray For Me Please
    « Reply #29 on: May 10, 2022, 02:48:33 PM »
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  • Worth trying OP