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Pope Francis: "God is not a magician who can do all things"
« on: December 17, 2016, 11:35:41 AM »
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  • From his comments on evolution in 2014. What does this mean? Do we have an agnostic Pope now?


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    Pope Francis: "God is not a magician who can do all things"
    « Reply #1 on: December 17, 2016, 02:08:25 PM »
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  • Why anonymous?
    Do you have a reference for this statement. I'm not surprised that he might say such a thing, but back it up.
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    « Reply #2 on: December 17, 2016, 11:05:46 PM »
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  • I'm not the OP but here is one link and report ( out of many) from the Net:


    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/pope-francis-god-not-magician-magic-wand#50899

     Pope Francis: God is not ‘a magician with a magic wand’


    10/28/14 12:31 PM—Updated 10/29/14 12:59 AM
    By Daniel Berger

    Pope Francis made a significant rhetorical break with Catholic tradition Monday by declaring that the theories of evolution and the Big Bang are real, and remarking that God is not “a magician with a magic wand.”

    “When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” the pope said at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, during a plenary meeting dedicated to evolving concepts of nature.

    “Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation.”
    Breaking with his predecessor, Benedict XVI, who arguably encouraged creationism and intelligent design theory, Francis explained that both evolution and the Big Bang are not incompatible with the existence of God. In fact, he said, they “require it.”

    God “created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfillment,” the pope said. “Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.”


    The language was a notable departure from Benedict XVI and his close advisers, who had voiced support for the idea that intelligent design underpins evolution. In 2005, close Benedict associate Cardinal Schoenborn wrote a New York Times op-ed in which he declared, “evolution in the sense of common ancestry might be true, but evolution in the neo-Darwinian sense – an unguided, unplanned process – is not.”

    In spite of their theological disagreements, Francis praised Benedict XVI while unveiling a bronze bust of the former pope at the academy’s headquarters in the Vatican Gardens.

    “No one could ever say of him that study and science made him and his love for God and his neighbor wither,” Francis said, according to a translation by the Catholic News Service.

    “On the contrary, knowledge, wisdom and prayer enlarged his heart and his spirit. Let us thank God for the gift that he gave the church and the world with the existence and the pontificate of Pope Benedict.”

    Pope Francis concluded with a word of encouragement, calling on all scientists to continue their work and to carry forward those “happy” theoretical and practical initiatives for the benefit of human beings, which he said bring honor to science and scientists.

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    Pope Francis: "God is not a magician who can do all things"
    « Reply #3 on: December 18, 2016, 12:13:09 AM »
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  • While God can do all things He wants to do most things in the ordinary way.  

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    Pope Francis: "God is not a magician who can do all things"
    « Reply #4 on: December 18, 2016, 12:36:12 PM »
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  •  :shocked:   Well.  That's horrible.  This guy's a heretic.   :shocked:
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    « Reply #5 on: December 18, 2016, 03:28:48 PM »
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    :shocked:   Well.  That's horrible.  This guy's a heretic.   :shocked:


    Y'all just now figuring this out?  About time!    :stare:

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    « Reply #6 on: December 18, 2016, 09:08:42 PM »
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    Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    :shocked:   Well.  That's horrible.  This guy's a heretic.   :shocked:


    Y'all just now figuring this out?  About time!    :stare:


    Just figuring it out?  I don't recall ever denying it.  Ever.
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    Pope Francis: "God is not a magician who can do all things"
    « Reply #7 on: December 19, 2016, 09:58:08 AM »
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    Do we have an agnostic Pope now?
    Agnosticism (in the broad sense of denying the ability to know anything with certainty) is the rotten philosophical root of Modernism, as Pope St. Pius X says in Pascendi (cf., e.g., §6).
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    Pope Francis: "God is not a magician who can do all things"
    « Reply #8 on: December 19, 2016, 12:49:02 PM »
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  • When the Jєωs want to mock Our Lord, they make references to "magicians" as if the Lord's miracles were trickery done by dishonest, conniving men.  So, from my perspective, why is the Pope referring to God as a magician?  

    Why is the Pope using the same terminology as those who despise Our Lord?  There are a lot of words in the dictionary that could have been used.  Is it mere coincidence that Pope Francis used the very same word that the despisers of Our Lord use and have used to this very day?  


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    Pope Francis: "God is not a magician who can do all things"
    « Reply #9 on: December 19, 2016, 01:35:59 PM »
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  • In addition to using the terminology of those who are Our Lord's enemies, Pope Francis seems to be turning things upside down.

    The magician is a trickster who, when benevolent, does magic shows for children and entertains them.  The greatest of all magicians are just the greatest illusionists, nothing more - nothing less.

    Our Lord performed real miracles.  

    The magician performs visual tricks.

    In the pope's quote, the magician is real and Our Lord is not like him because he does not have the level of perfection that a magician has.  In reality, it is the other way around - Our Lord is the Creator of the Heaven and Earth and the magician is putting on tricks and illusions to make children laugh (this is the most charitable description of a magician - other interpretations have a magician as a fortune teller and deceiver).  

    There is so much wrong with what Pope Francis says.  


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    Pope Francis: "God is not a magician who can do all things"
    « Reply #10 on: December 31, 2016, 01:14:59 PM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    :shocked:   Well.  That's horrible.  This guy's a heretic.   :shocked:


    who is?

    the pope?

    You know, the Bible says that with God all things are possible.

    That doesn't mean God will DO all that is possible! Life would be huge mess if God did everything everyone asked for...

    anyway... yeh, the pope says very odd things.

    Another reason to praise this forum: I have criticized prominent people like the pope on other forums and been chastised for it

    dumb


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    Pope Francis: "God is not a magician who can do all things"
    « Reply #11 on: December 31, 2016, 01:17:11 PM »
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    In addition to using the terminology of those who are Our Lord's enemies, Pope Francis seems to be turning things upside down.

    The magician is a trickster who, when benevolent, does magic shows for children and entertains them.  The greatest of all magicians are just the greatest illusionists, nothing more - nothing less.

    Our Lord performed real miracles.  

    The magician performs visual tricks.

    In the pope's quote, the magician is real and Our Lord is not like him because he does not have the level of perfection that a magician has.  In reality, it is the other way around - Our Lord is the Creator of the Heaven and Earth and the magician is putting on tricks and illusions to make children laugh (this is the most charitable description of a magician - other interpretations have a magician as a fortune teller and deceiver).  

    There is so much wrong with what Pope Francis says.  

    i can't get over how happy i am that we can -- at this forum-- actually criticize people others respect. Other forums, the moderators go into caniptions when you attack their favorite "celebrities"

    I hate censorship.  :fryingpan:

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    Pope Francis: "God is not a magician who can do all things"
    « Reply #12 on: January 05, 2017, 11:36:52 AM »
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    When you have no faith, you say stupid things like this.
    Also, when you are intentionally trying to break with the constant and traditional teachings of the Catholic Church and lead souls to hell, you say evil things like this.


    LOL

    I LOL b/c you are so blunt. I also tend to think u are so right.

    Do you ever express your doubts about Pope F to a priest? I guess i mean a novus ordo priest.  I haven't had much "luck" w/ that... um.. to say the least