Author Topic: Pope Eugene IV. on Circuмcision (Read 1390 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** June 07, 2022, 06:26:10 AM »

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Cantate Domino, 1441:

[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Therefore, it commands all who glory in the name of Christian, at whatever time, before or after baptism, to cease entirely from circuмcision, since, whether or not one places hope in it, it cannot be observed at all without the loss of eternal salvation.[/color]

According to these words even medical circuмcision (which places no hope for salvation in the practice) results in loss of eternal salvation. Thoughts?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** June 07, 2022, 06:34:01 AM »

Nevermind, I found a video by MHFM which explains it well. The context is practice of the old law.
So a heretic or judaizer could still practice circuмcision as a religious ritual without necessarily placing salvific hope in it. Such a practice results in loss of salvation, but a medical operation which physically has the same effects as a ritual circuмcision does not fall under it.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** June 12, 2022, 05:02:43 PM »

Quote from: Änσnymσus on June 07, 2022, 06:34:01 AM

a medical operation

Circuмcision is mutilation, not a medical operation. Posthetomy (removal of foreskin) is a medical operation.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** June 12, 2022, 05:12:29 PM »

Quote from: Änσnymσus on June 07, 2022, 06:34:01 AM

The context is practice of the old law.

If that's the case, then why's he say

Quote from: Eugenio IV

whether or not one places hope in it

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Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** June 12, 2022, 05:26:22 PM »

Be careful when reading primary source docuмents. It is very easy for those not trained to misunderstand them and form incorrect ideas.

Emile · « **Reply #5 on:** June 12, 2022, 07:32:59 PM »

Some good posts in these threads (need to change the "m" in "circuмcise" for link to work)

https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/catholics-cannot-circuмcise-without-the-loss-of-eternal-salvation/

https://www.cathinfo.com/members-only/circuмcision-is-a-mortal-sin-for-any-reason!/

Author Topic: Pope Eugene IV. on Circuмcision (Read 1390 times)

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