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Pontification from lay popes
« on: November 14, 2022, 09:26:53 AM »
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  • I've read some posts this morning where the author clearly forget to sign his lay Papal Bull with the customary, "Signed with the Ring of the Fisherman, Pope (username)". Please be more mindful of Catholic tradition in the future.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-nfp-really-contraception-in-any-circuмstance/msg855753/#msg855753

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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
    « Reply #1 on: November 14, 2022, 09:38:05 AM »
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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
    « Reply #2 on: November 14, 2022, 09:47:39 AM »
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  • I keep forgetting that part.  Thanks for the reminder :clown:

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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
    « Reply #3 on: November 14, 2022, 09:50:55 AM »
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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
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  • Saint Caesar of Arles: “As often as he knows his wife without a desire for children… without a doubt he commits sin.”(7)

    Errors Condemned by Pope Innocent XI: “9.  The act of marriage exercised for pleasure only is entirely free of all fault and venial defect.”–Condemned (8)

    Tobias 6:17 – “The holy youth Tobias approaches his bride Sara after three days of prayer, not for fleshly lust but only for the love of posterity.  Having been instructed by the Archangel Saint Rapheal that to engage  in the marital act he must be moved rather for love of children than for lust.  For they who in such manner receive matrimony, as to shut out God from themselves, and from their mind, and to give themselves to their lust, as the horse and mule, which have not understanding, over them the devil hath power.”

    “But no reason, however grave, may be put forward by which anything intrinsically against nature may become conformable to nature and morally good.  Since, therefore, the conjugal act is destined primarily by nature for the begetting of children, those who in exercising it deliberately frustrate its natural powers and purpose sin against nature and commit a deed which is shameful and intrinsically vicious.

    “Small wonder, therefore, if Holy Writ bears witness that the Divine Majesty regards with greatest detestation this horrible crime and at times has punished it with death.  As St. Augustine notes, ‘Intercourse even with one’s legitimate wife is unlawful and wicked where the conception of offspring is prevented.’  Onan, the son of Judah, did this and the Lord killed him for it (Gen. 38:8-10).

    ~ Pope Pius XI: Casti Connubii



    Those lukewarm "Catholics" who haven't even considered that NFP might be sinful and researched the issue will be repaid for all the pleasures they partook in this life unlawfully.

    https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/natural-family-planning-nfp/


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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
    « Reply #5 on: November 14, 2022, 09:58:19 AM »
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  • Saint Caesar of Arles: “As often as he knows his wife without a desire for children… without a doubt he commits sin.”(7)

    Errors Condemned by Pope Innocent XI: “9.  The act of marriage exercised for pleasure only is entirely free of all fault and venial defect.”–Condemned (8)

    Tobias 6:17 – “The holy youth Tobias approaches his bride Sara after three days of prayer, not for fleshly lust but only for the love of posterity.  Having been instructed by the Archangel Saint Rapheal that to engage  in the marital act he must be moved rather for love of children than for lustFor they who in such manner receive matrimony, as to shut out God from themselves, and from their mind, and to give themselves to their lust, as the horse and mule, which have not understanding, over them the devil hath power.”

    But no reason, however grave, may be put forward by which anything intrinsically against nature may become conformable to nature and morally good.  Since, therefore, the conjugal act is destined primarily by nature for the begetting of children, those who in exercising it deliberately frustrate its natural powers and purpose sin against nature and commit a deed which is shameful and intrinsically vicious.

    “Small wonder, therefore, if Holy Writ bears witness that the Divine Majesty regards with greatest detestation this horrible crime and at times has punished it with death.  As St. Augustine notes, ‘Intercourse even with one’s legitimate wife is unlawful and wicked where the conception of offspring is prevented.’  Onan, the son of Judah, did this and the Lord killed him for it (Gen. 38:8-10).


    ~ Pope Pius XI: Casti Connubii



    Those lukewarm "Catholics" who haven't even considered that NFP might be sinful and researched the issue will be repaid for all the pleasures they partook in this life unlawfully.

    https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/natural-family-planning-nfp/
    Me. Also excuse the gigantic font I don't know what causes it.

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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
    « Reply #8 on: November 14, 2022, 10:04:04 AM »
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  • Those lukewarm "Catholics" who haven't even considered that NFP might be sinful and researched the issue will be repaid for all the pleasures they partook in this life unlawfully.

    https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/natural-family-planning-nfp/


    Not gonna lie... having reference to the Dimond Brothers does NOT help your case any.

    Aside from Creation and a few other basics ("a broken clock is right twice a day", plus we Catholics agree with Mormons, Baptists, and many other heretics on countless elements of the Natural Law), they get just about everything else wrong. They are the modern-day Pharisees, with all the same faults Our Lord condemned the Pharisees for: Making up laws, condemning others unjustly, rash judgment, cutting themselves off from God, forgetting Charity, etc.

    If you want to make your point, I would avoid bringing the Dimond Brothers into it. Unless you want to have the opposite effect :)

    I'm not kidding. The Dimond Brothers are SO bad, that if a Catholic immediately dismissed your criticism of NFP as "Oh, that's more Dimond Brothers extremist nonsense" THEY WOULD BE JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD IN DOING SO. Even if that was their only reason.

    If I dismissed something being pushed by (((Red Sea Pedestrians))) and God wouldn't hold it against me for failing to look into it, the same would apply to other villains like the Dimond Brothers.

    After all, when a mouthpiece has been proven vile and wrong 100 times, you can be at least MORALLY certain (maybe not metaphysically or scientifically certain) that they are wrong the 101st time. It's about moral certainty -- enough to base one's actions on.


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    "will be repaid for all the pleasures they partook in this life unlawfully"
    Is that a quote from the Dimond Brothers, because it sounds like them. If they are your words, then you have ingested too much Dimond poison. "Lie down with dogs, rise up with fleas." Because those words, just reading them in isolation, sound like a person a bit too personally invested, filled with bitterness, anger, and hatred. If one's motivation is God/truth/goodness, why not just make your case without such threats? The sentence I quoted seems to be dripping with bitterness and maybe even jealousy.

    What do you think, Dear Reader? Am I off base on this?
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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
    « Reply #9 on: November 14, 2022, 10:11:25 AM »
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  • Me. Also excuse the gigantic font I don't know what causes it.
    It can be wonky to deal with.


    According to Lad it's a sign of insanity.  :laugh1:


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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
    « Reply #10 on: November 14, 2022, 10:13:29 AM »
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    According to Lad it's a sign of insanity.  :laugh1:
    LOL. I tend to agree.

    Maybe the software is trying to tell me something... :jester:


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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
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  • Not gonna lie... having reference to the Dimond Brothers does NOT help your case any.

    Aside from Creation and a few other basics ("a broken clock is right twice a day", plus we Catholics agree with Mormons, Baptists, and many other heretics on countless elements of the Natural Law), they get just about everything else wrong. They are the modern-day Pharisees, with all the same faults Our Lord condemned the Pharisees for: Making up laws, condemning others unjustly, rash judgment, cutting themselves off from God, forgetting Charity, etc.

    If you want to make your point, I would avoid bringing the Dimond Brothers into it. Unless you want to have the opposite effect :)

    I'm not kidding. The Dimond Brothers are SO bad, that if a Catholic immediately dismissed your criticism of NFP as "Oh, that's more Dimond Brothers extremist nonsense" THEY WOULD BE JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD IN DOING SO. Even if that was their only reason.

    If I dismissed something being pushed by (((Red Sea Pedestrians))) and God wouldn't hold it against me for failing to look into it, the same would apply to other villains like the Dimond Brothers.

    After all, when a mouthpiece has been proven vile and wrong 100 times, you can be at least MORALLY certain (maybe not metaphysically or scientifically certain) that they are wrong the 101st time. It's about moral certainty -- enough to base one's actions on.
    I think they have excellent resources on a wide range of topics, from evolution to "Orthodoxy". And they are the most eloquent of the few that denounce NFP and BoD.

    I understand people don't like them, and it is justified to an extent, however, I definitely don't agree they are nearly as bad as you seem to think.

    I'm sure people hate them in part because of their strict views on NFP, so it's a chicken and egg problem.

    I'd like to see what is the vilest thing the Dimonds ever did. Do you, or someone else, have a link?


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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
    « Reply #12 on: November 14, 2022, 10:32:32 AM »
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  • Not gonna lie... having reference to the Dimond Brothers does NOT help your case any.

    Aside from Creation and a few other basics ("a broken clock is right twice a day", plus we Catholics agree with Mormons, Baptists, and many other heretics on countless elements of the Natural Law), they get just about everything else wrong. They are the modern-day Pharisees, with all the same faults Our Lord condemned the Pharisees for: Making up laws, condemning others unjustly, rash judgment, cutting themselves off from God, forgetting Charity, etc.

    If you want to make your point, I would avoid bringing the Dimond Brothers into it. Unless you want to have the opposite effect :)

    I'm not kidding. The Dimond Brothers are SO bad, that if a Catholic immediately dismissed your criticism of NFP as "Oh, that's more Dimond Brothers extremist nonsense" THEY WOULD BE JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD IN DOING SO. Even if that was their only reason.

    If I dismissed something being pushed by (((Red Sea Pedestrians))) and God wouldn't hold it against me for failing to look into it, the same would apply to other villains like the Dimond Brothers.

    After all, when a mouthpiece has been proven vile and wrong 100 times, you can be at least MORALLY certain (maybe not metaphysically or scientifically certain) that they are wrong the 101st time. It's about moral certainty -- enough to base one's actions on.


    P.S.
    "will be repaid for all the pleasures they partook in this life unlawfully"
    Is that a quote from the Dimond Brothers, because it sounds like them. If they are your words, then you have ingested too much Dimond poison. "Lie down with dogs, rise up with fleas." Because those words, just reading them in isolation, sound like a person a bit too personally invested, filled with bitterness, anger, and hatred. If one's motivation is God/truth/goodness, why not just make your case without such threats? The sentence I quoted seems to be dripping with bitterness and maybe even jealousy.

    What do you think, Dear Reader? Am I off base on this?
    Well said and no, you're not off base!

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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
    « Reply #13 on: November 14, 2022, 10:40:48 AM »
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  • I've read some posts this morning where the author clearly forget to sign his lay Papal Bull with the customary, "Signed with the Ring of the Fisherman, Pope (username)". Please be more mindful of Catholic tradition in the future.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-nfp-really-contraception-in-any-circuмstance/msg855753/#msg855753

    I think you’ve described this entire forum in a single post.

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    Re: Pontification from lay popes
    « Reply #14 on: November 14, 2022, 10:41:14 AM »
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  • I've read some posts this morning where the author clearly forget to sign his lay Papal Bull with the customary, "Signed with the Ring of the Fisherman, Pope (username)". Please be more mindful of Catholic tradition in the future.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/is-nfp-really-contraception-in-any-circuмstance/msg855753/#msg855753
    And you forgot to post with your name. ;)