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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2015, 03:45:49 PM »
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    As a parent, my main concern with Pokemon is that it would probably lead to other forms of japanese anime and manga, which may promote anti -Catholic agendas.


    You're being a little ridiculous here.  First, you're making an unwarranted assumption that engaging in a morally-neutral activity will lead to others simply because of its nation of origin.  Secondly, you are assuming other activities from that nation are automatically anti-Catholic.  Taken to its logical conclusion, you would have to forbid you're children from engaging in any morally-neutral activity.

    Ought we prevent children from reading Tolkien, as it may lead them to other English literature that is Protestant and anti-Catholic?  Do we prevent children from eating Chinese food as it may lead them into Maoism?  Do we prevent children form playing golf as it may lead them to Scottish Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?


    Tolkien was Catholic, so C.S. Lewis probably would have worked better for your example. And the golf thing is just silly. However, your point was still clearly made and not without merit, but is, perhaps, a bit too cavalierly dismissive of some facets of Japanese culture that ought to be of real concern to Catholic parents.

    I've had no small exposure to anime and manga from my youth. Some of it is perfectly harmless. I don't think Astro Boy, Speed Racer or Gigantor pose any kind of immanent spiritual or moral threat to anyone. However, Japan, despite its ancient and comparatively noble culture, is still a pagan nation with certain moral pathologies that Catholic parents should be aware of. sɛҳuąƖ perversity and pornography, for instance, are rampant in Japan (though I would blame this more on postwar American influence than anything else) and that occasionally trickles down into otherwise innocuous cartoons and comics.

    As to anti-Catholicism - I remember seeing more than a few sacreligious and blasphemous things in anime and manga, though it usually seemed to be borne of ignorance than the kind of willful, intentional maliciousness we see in the Jew-controlled media of the West. The Japanese have a fascination with Catholic imagery that is rooted in shallow exoticism, and is therefore pretty woefully ignorant (much like the average westerner interested in Buddhism, Yoga, etc.) That said, blasphemy is still blasphemy, regardless of intent.

    In short, Catholic parents shouldn't let their children view anything that they (the parents) have not screened first. And, for the reasons given above, they should be particularly wary of anime and manga.

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    « Reply #16 on: June 11, 2015, 03:48:06 PM »
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    As a parent, my main concern with Pokemon is that it would probably lead to other forms of japanese anime and manga, which may promote anti -Catholic agendas.


    You're being a little ridiculous here.  First, you're making an unwarranted assumption that engaging in a morally-neutral activity will lead to others simply because of its nation of origin.  Secondly, you are assuming other activities from that nation are automatically anti-Catholic.  Taken to its logical conclusion, you would have to forbid you're children from engaging in any morally-neutral activity.

    Ought we prevent children from reading Tolkien, as it may lead them to other English literature that is Protestant and anti-Catholic?  Do we prevent children from eating Chinese food as it may lead them into Maoism?  Do we prevent children form playing golf as it may lead them to Scottish Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ?


    The comment was not at all about the nation of origin, though. It is just that I have my doubts that Anime and Manga as a whole are something I would like my children to get into.


    I think that's fair enough. They certainly aren't in any spiritual danger by not being exposed to anime and manga.


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    « Reply #17 on: June 11, 2015, 04:03:25 PM »
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  • Even if one disregards the evolution aspect of the game for argument's sake, there still lies the obvious and unavoidable magical aspect of the game. And, all JRR Tolkien references aside, this is a magic that you CAN manipulate and CAN control at will and is a magic that you CAN summon and it is NOT delegated to outside characters who play minor roles.

    Care to answer that, Cathinfo?

    BTNYC, for being so scrupulous against acupuncture...

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Acupuncture-is-Demonic

    You would think that you would be opposed to any form of sorcery, would you not?

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    « Reply #18 on: June 11, 2015, 04:43:32 PM »
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    Even if one disregards the evolution aspect of the game for argument's sake, there still lies the obvious and unavoidable magical aspect of the game. And, all JRR Tolkien references aside, this is a magic that you CAN manipulate and CAN control at will and is a magic that you CAN summon and it is NOT delegated to outside characters who play minor roles.

    Care to answer that, Cathinfo?

    BTNYC, for being so scrupulous against acupuncture...

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Acupuncture-is-Demonic

    You would think that you would be opposed to any form of sorcery, would you not?


    It's nice to know I have such an avid follower. If only you weren't afraid to check off the "do not post anonymously" box, I'd have someone to keep in mind should I need to hire an official biographer at some future date.

    If you follow my (much more recent) contributions in this very thread, you'll see that I not only said:

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    I don't know enough about it to speak on whether or not it's evil...


    I also said:

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    Japan... is still a pagan nation with certain moral pathologies that Catholic parents should be aware of.

    Catholic parents shouldn't let their children view anything that they (the parents) have not screened first. And, for the reasons given above, they should be particularly wary of anime and manga.


    I would not advise anyone to play magic-themed role playing games (i.e. Dungeons and Dragons) nor would I allow my children to play it. If these card games are similarly magic-themed, then I would similarly advise against it.

    Have I sufficently clarified my stance for you, my anonymous friend?

    And was my opposition to acupuncture really so "scrupulous" (i.e. excessive and unwarranted)? If role-playing games wherein one plays at delving in sorcery is deserving of censure (and I believe it is), how much more so should an actual organized, ancient sorcerous art like acupuncture - which claims to manipulate physical matter by occult means - be excoriated?

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    « Reply #19 on: June 11, 2015, 07:36:50 PM »
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    It's nice to know I have such an avid follower. If only you weren't afraid to check off the "do not post anonymously" box, I'd have someone to keep in mind should I need to hire an official biographer at some future date.


     :laugh1:

    That is hardly the case, however I do find your wit refreshing.

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    And was my opposition to acupuncture really so "scrupulous" (i.e. excessive and unwarranted)?


    No, it was not. Rather, it was what could be called a "positive scruple", because not all scruples are bad.

    The point I was making was that if you (and anybody else for that matter) were only half as vigilant on this matter as you were against acupuncture then I probably would not have said anything.

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    Have I sufficently clarified my stance for you, my anonymous friend?


    Your stance was clarified before clarification.

    Anyway:

    Does anyone care to explain how they can justify the manipulation of the elements and of creatures using what could be considered unlawful means (i.e. the use of magic) by the individual?


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    « Reply #20 on: June 13, 2015, 02:35:57 AM »
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    i) The characters "evolve" into different "lifeforms" based upon a set structure. That is, by definition, evolution, and it promotes this lie.

    I used to watch the cartoon, and I always thought its use of the term "evolve" was mistaken. It's metamorphosis, not evolution. Caterpie does not evolve into Butterfree. It metamorphoses, like caterpillars into butterflies. So it's only the use of the word "evolve" that is wrong.

    you mean it is a lie that caterpillars (they look like worms) develop into butterflies and tadpoles (they look like fish) develop into frogs?

    Not at all. I just think evolution is the wrong word, and metamorphosis is more appropriate.

    Evolution is about new, more advanced species, being born of old less developed species. A caterpillar does not give birth to a butterfly; it metamorphoses into one (with a chrysalis stage in between).

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    « Reply #21 on: June 13, 2015, 02:37:29 AM »
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    Also, it is laughable that anyone would claim pokemon's use of the word "evolution" makes it border of evil.  The "evolution" undergone by these fictional characters is more far akin to the metamorphosis insect undergo (think larva, pupa, and imago) than to evolution in the Darwinian sense.

    Exactly what I meant.

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    « Reply #22 on: June 13, 2015, 12:15:22 PM »
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  • I would never let my children anywhere near pokemon. The danger is much worse than just ignorant pagan fascination.
    Has anyone seen the show? Good luck trying to tell your daughters to dress modestly when the girls on the show are allowed to wear shorts that look like underwear (immodesty is very typical of anime).
    Also, they don't even try to hide the occult in their cards. Take a look at the pokemon Sigilyph. Clearly the name comes from 'sigil'......
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigil_(magic)
    I think that allowing pokemon into your homes is a very bad idea.


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    « Reply #23 on: June 14, 2015, 01:43:42 PM »
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  • To the advice-givers posting anonymously on this thread-

    Why are you giving counsel anonymously? Why would anyone ever give counsel anonymously? Why should the person being advised be inclined to take any advice at all from someone not willing to put his name on it?

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    « Reply #24 on: June 15, 2015, 07:11:40 AM »
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    To the advice-givers posting anonymously on this thread-

    Why are you giving counsel anonymously? Why would anyone ever give counsel anonymously? Why should the person being advised be inclined to take any advice at all from someone not willing to put his name on it?


    Two lily-livered anonymous milquetoasts, at least, have opted to forgo answering a few common sense questions in favor of simply registering their rankled, stupid, inarticulate dislike for those questions.

    Congratulations, cowards. You've achieved the debating skills of a three-year-old.

    Now, by all means, bring on the hit and run downthumbs and prove me right.

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    « Reply #25 on: June 15, 2015, 07:25:12 AM »
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  • If I had children , I would never let them get near Pokemon.


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    « Reply #26 on: June 15, 2015, 07:43:46 AM »
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    To the advice-givers posting anonymously on this thread-

    Why are you giving counsel anonymously? Why would anyone ever give counsel anonymously? Why should the person being advised be inclined to take any advice at all from someone not willing to put his name on it?


    Two lily-livered anonymous milquetoasts, at least, have opted to forgo answering a few common sense questions in favor of simply registering their rankled, stupid, inarticulate dislike for those questions.

    Congratulations, cowards. You've achieved the debating skills of a three-year-old.

    Now, by all means, bring on the hit and run downthumbs and prove me right.


    And there goes the pot calling the kettle black.  The worst part is that BTNYC actually think he has accomplished something with a post that is nothing more than ad hominem attacks.  In case he isn't aware, those types of statements are logical fallacies, that do not actually support one's argument.

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    « Reply #27 on: June 15, 2015, 08:43:36 AM »
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    To the advice-givers posting anonymously on this thread-

    Why are you giving counsel anonymously? Why would anyone ever give counsel anonymously? Why should the person being advised be inclined to take any advice at all from someone not willing to put his name on it?


    Two lily-livered anonymous milquetoasts, at least, have opted to forgo answering a few common sense questions in favor of simply registering their rankled, stupid, inarticulate dislike for those questions.

    Congratulations, cowards. You've achieved the debating skills of a three-year-old.

    Now, by all means, bring on the hit and run downthumbs and prove me right.


    And there goes the pot calling the kettle black.  The worst part is that BTNYC actually think he has accomplished something with a post that is nothing more than ad hominem attacks.  In case he isn't aware, those types of statements are logical fallacies, that do not actually support one's argument.


    You have me at a disadvantage, madam (or sir).

    You address me by my poster name in your post, but I seem to be unable to put a name to your words. Please amend that oversight, that I might be able to know whom to thank for this charitable correction of my "fallacies."

    You know, kettles and pots and all that...

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    « Reply #28 on: June 15, 2015, 08:52:33 AM »
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  • I believe these games retard social and physical development and fill the mind with nonsense.

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    « Reply #29 on: June 15, 2015, 09:05:36 AM »
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    I believe these games retard social and physical development and fill the mind with nonsense.


    Graham is a poster for whom I have a great deal of respect. Thus, his opinion on this matter (namely, card games about which I'm largely pretty ignorant) carries a good deal of weight with me. I will bear his words in mind should I ever find one of my children gravitating toward these games.

    See what I mean about attaching one's name to advice?