Author Topic: Pilate and Herod (Read 1040 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** April 03, 2015, 02:43:23 PM »

Who had authority over whom? What was the difference in their jurisdictions?

poche · « **Reply #1 on:** April 04, 2015, 03:16:29 AM »

If you are talking about Herod the Great, neither had authority over the other as Herod died when Jesus was a little boy and Pilate was tetrarch over Judea when Jesus was around 33.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #2 on:** April 06, 2015, 07:02:05 AM »

I believe the OP is referring to Herod Antipas, son of Herod the Great, who was tetrarch of Galilee and Perea in the first century A.D., and who played a part in St. Luke's Passion.

My understanding of the situation is this:

Herod the Great was proclaimed "King of the Jєωs" by the Roman Senate in the late first century B.C., and ruled over a client state for the Roman Empire that roughly corresponds to David's and Solomon's Kingdom of Israel.

When Herod the Great died in the early first century A.D., his kingdom was divided into thirds, and each of his three sons was named tetrarch of a third. Herod Archelaus was given Judea, Samaria, and Idumea (which included Jerusalem); Herod Antipas was given Galilee and Perea; and Herod Philip II was given Batanea and the surrounding area.

After just a few years, in about 6 A.D., Herod Archelaus was dismissed by Rome, and Judea, Samaria, and Idumea came under direct Roman rule, in for the form of a Roman prefect/governor. One of these prefects was Pontius Pilate.

During the Passion of Our Lord according to St. Luke, Our Lord was initially brought before Pilate as prefect of Judea. Because Our Lord was a Galilean, Pilate sent Him to be tried by Herod Antipas, because he was tetrarch of Galilee. We all know the story from there.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** April 06, 2015, 01:21:12 PM »

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I believe the OP is referring to Herod Antipas, son of Herod the Great, who was tetrarch of Galilee and Perea in the first century A.D., and who played a part in St. Luke's Passion.

My understanding of the situation is this:

Herod the Great was proclaimed "King of the Jєωs" by the Roman Senate in the late first century B.C., and ruled over a client state for the Roman Empire that roughly corresponds to David's and Solomon's Kingdom of Israel.

When Herod the Great died in the early first century A.D., his kingdom was divided into thirds, and each of his three sons was named tetrarch of a third. Herod Archelaus was given Judea, Samaria, and Idumea (which included Jerusalem); Herod Antipas was given Galilee and Perea; and Herod Philip II was given Batanea and the surrounding area.

After just a few years, in about 6 A.D., Herod Archelaus was dismissed by Rome, and Judea, Samaria, and Idumea came under direct Roman rule, in for the form of a Roman prefect/governor. One of these prefects was Pontius Pilate.

During the Passion of Our Lord according to St. Luke, Our Lord was initially brought before Pilate as prefect of Judea. Because Our Lord was a Galilean, Pilate sent Him to be tried by Herod Antipas, because he was tetrarch of Galilee. We all know the story from there.

OP here. Thanks very much for you answer. It makes things much more clear and understandable. Just one last question because I tried to find the answer but was left unsure. Was it Herod the Great or his son, Herod Antipas, who ordered the mass killings of newborns and young boys as a means of killing the newborn Jesus Christ? I thought it was Herod the Great, but it says he died 4 years before Christ was born. And I thought Antipas took power after Christ was born.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** April 06, 2015, 03:38:49 PM »

Herod the Great ordered the Massacre of the Innocents. He died a few years after Christ's birth, at which time the kingdom was divided and Herod Antipas came to power in Galilee and Perea. Many modern scholars say that Herod the Great died in the last few years B.C., either in an attempt to show that the massacre never occurred, or that the year of Christ's birth is wrong. Church teaching on the matter, however is clear.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #5 on:** April 06, 2015, 07:54:46 PM »

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Herod the Great ordered the Massacre of the Innocents. He died a few years after Christ's birth, at which time the kingdom was divided and Herod Antipas came to power in Galilee and Perea. Many modern scholars say that Herod the Great died in the last few years B.C., either in an attempt to show that the massacre never occurred, or that the year of Christ's birth is wrong. Church teaching on the matter, however is clear.

OP here, again. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Yes, I can see the attempt to cause doubt and confusion about the events surrounding the life of Christ.

Lord bless you all.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** April 07, 2015, 11:17:16 PM »

How did they take Jesus from Pilate to Herod and back again in such a short time? I mean he was arrested at the garden on Holy Thurs night, and died at 3:00 the next day- How long would it have taken to go from Jerusalem to wherever Herod was? (Galilee?) Was Herod very nearby?

poche · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2015, 12:17:51 AM »

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How did they take Jesus from Pilate to Herod and back again in such a short time? I mean he was arrested at the garden on Holy Thurs night, and died at 3:00 the next day- How long would it have taken to go from Jerusalem to wherever Herod was? (Galilee?) Was Herod very nearby?

Herod was in Jerusalem for the Passover. It was a relatively short walk to his palace.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:16:14 AM »

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How did they take Jesus from Pilate to Herod and back again in such a short time? I mean he was arrested at the garden on Holy Thurs night, and died at 3:00 the next day- How long would it have taken to go from Jerusalem to wherever Herod was? (Galilee?) Was Herod very nearby?

Luke's Gospel, 23:7, says that Herod was in Jerusalem at the time.

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