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Picture of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Michal Stobnicki
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  • Bishop Williamson is doing the right thing in consecrating several bishops. In these uncertain times, especially in far flung Mass centers, there is uncertainty about the administering of Confirmations.



    From the Facebook page of Traditional Catholic + MCSPX
    ( Bishop ( Bishop Michal Stobnicki )
    " On the contrary, the “Resistance” has followed the Archbishop’s pioneering example in 1988 by taking its own bishops for Truth and Tradition. Between 2015 and 2017 there were Bishops Faure, Tomas and Zendejas, who have surely laboured successfully for Tradition since then, and more recently, but privately, Bishop Ballini for Ireland (2021) and Bishop Stobnicki in Poland (2022). But why the privacy? Indeed privacy is not natural for ceremonies of consecration of Catholic bishops, but the 2020’s are no longer the 2010’s, let alone the 1980’s. The reasons were, firstly, to enable more and more Catholics to catch up with the Church’s crying need to follow Archbishop Lefebvre’s example by giving more priority to Truth and less importance to that Conciliar Authority which is without the Truth; and secondly, to delay waving a red rag under the nose of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, which is more powerful and more malicious with each day that passes. Here below is Bishop Stobnicki’s brief autobiography:—
    I was born in 1987 into a Polish Catholic family, I graduated from school in 2006 and joined the SSPX on the advice of old Polish priests. In 2008, I was abruptly removed from the SSPX seminary in Zaitzkofen, because I was in too close contact with Bishop Williamson, but I continued my priestly formation under the direction of the senior Polish priests, and two Traditional bishops. Meanwhile, in 2014 I graduated from law school and I did some work as a lawyer for a while. In 2013 I had again contacted Bishop Williamson when he was expelled from the FSSPX. In 2016 he began coming to Poland regularly, and he saw fit to ordain me priest on July 1, 2017. For the next five years, such were the fruits of my priestly ministry in Poland (and – surely a good sign – the violent opposition to it) that I was consecrated by him as a bishop, in private but with witnesses, on August 15, 2022. With one fellow priest also ordained by Bishop Williamson, we serve now 17 Mass centres in Poland, which includes so far nine Confirmation ceremonies, and the conditional re-ordination of six priests. The violent opposition has continued also, up to and including the possibly murderous slashing of a tire of my car. Establishing the “Resistance” in Poland has been hard work, but my colleague and I are now helping to look after many good souls. Thanks be to God, and to Our Lady, Queen of Poland. "

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    " On the contrary, the “Resistance” has followed the Archbishop’s pioneering example in 1988 by taking its own bishops for Truth and Tradition. Between 2015 and 2017 there were Bishops Faure, Tomas and Zendejas, who have surely laboured successfully for Tradition since then, and more recently, but privately, Bishop Ballini for Ireland (2021) and Bishop Stobnicki in Poland (2022). But why the privacy? Indeed privacy is not natural for ceremonies of consecration of Catholic bishops, but the 2020’s are no longer the 2010’s, let alone the 1980’s. The reasons were, firstly, to enable more and more Catholics to catch up with the Church’s crying need to follow Archbishop Lefebvre’s example by giving more priority to Truth and less importance to that Conciliar Authority which is without the Truth; and secondly, to delay waving a red rag under the nose of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr, which is more powerful and more malicious with each day that passes. Here below is Bishop Stobnicki’s brief autobiography:—
    I was born in 1987 into a Polish Catholic family, I graduated from school in 2006 and joined the SSPX on the advice of old Polish priests. In 2008, I was abruptly removed from the SSPX seminary in Zaitzkofen, because I was in too close contact with Bishop Williamson, but I continued my priestly formation under the direction of the senior Polish priests, and two Traditional bishops. Meanwhile, in 2014 I graduated from law school and I did some work as a lawyer for a while. In 2013 I had again contacted Bishop Williamson when he was expelled from the FSSPX. In 2016 he began coming to Poland regularly, and he saw fit to ordain me priest on July 1, 2017. For the next five years, such were the fruits of my priestly ministry in Poland (and – surely a good sign – the violent opposition to it) that I was consecrated by him as a bishop, in private but with witnesses, on August 15, 2022. With one fellow priest also ordained by Bishop Williamson, we serve now 17 Mass centres in Poland, which includes so far nine Confirmation ceremonies, and the conditional re-ordination of six priests. The violent opposition has continued also, up to and including the possibly murderous slashing of a tire of my car. Establishing the “Resistance” in Poland has been hard work, but my colleague and I are now helping to look after many good souls. Thanks be to God, and to Our Lady, Queen of Poland. "



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    Re: Picture of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Michal Stobnicki
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  • Consecrating bishops is not the issue but the manner in which it was done. There should have been ample public notice like banns of ordination.


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    Re: Picture of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Michal Stobnicki
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  • Consecrating bishops is not the issue but the manner in which it was done. There should have been ample public notice like banns of ordination.

    The first three bishops (Faure, Tomas, and Zendejas) are all members of congregations, but the last three (Ballini, Stobnicki, and Morgan) are all independents.  

    It could be accepted tgat +Williamson consecrated them in the great and (then) reasonable fear of worldwide lockdowns, as was done behind the Iron Curtain.  But now that the threat has passed, while the bishops remain, they should join a Resistance congregation.

    Lefebvre never ordained or consecrated independent priests and bishops, and the covid crisis/lockdown fear having passed, their is no excuse for them remaining independent.  

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    Re: Picture of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Michal Stobnicki
    « Reply #3 on: July 18, 2023, 06:30:05 AM »
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  • Consecrating bishops is not the issue but the manner in which it was done. There should have been ample public notice like banns of ordination.

    So someone who didn't really have formal training except under some "senior" priests, went to law school, worked as a lawyer, and was just ordained to the priesthood 5 years prior to his consecration, at the age of 35?  This one has a strong chance of blowing up on Bishop Williamson.  Perhaps Bishop Kelly can now argue about the "mental state" of Bishop Williamson.

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    Re: Picture of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Michal Stobnicki
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  • Bishop Williamson is doing the right thing in consecrating several bishops. In these uncertain times, especially in far flung Mass centers, there is uncertainty about the administering of Confirmations.


    Ah hello based department?


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    Re: Picture of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Michal Stobnicki
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  • Here below is Bishop Stobnicki’s brief autobiography:—
    I was born in 1987 into a Polish Catholic family, I graduated from school in 2006 and joined the SSPX on the advice of old Polish priests. In 2008, I was abruptly removed from the SSPX seminary in Zaitzkofen, because I was in too close contact with Bishop Williamson, but I continued my priestly formation under the direction of the senior Polish priests, and two Traditional bishops. Meanwhile, in 2014 I graduated from law school and I did some work as a lawyer for a while. In 2013 I had again contacted Bishop Williamson when he was expelled from the FSSPX. In 2016 he began coming to Poland regularly, and he saw fit to ordain me priest on July 1, 2017. For the next five years, such were the fruits of my priestly ministry in Poland (and – surely a good sign – the violent opposition to it) that I was consecrated by him as a bishop, in private but with witnesses, on August 15, 2022. With one fellow priest also ordained by Bishop Williamson, we serve now 17 Mass centres in Poland, which includes so far nine Confirmation ceremonies, and the conditional re-ordination of six priests. The violent opposition has continued also, up to and including the possibly murderous slashing of a tire of my car. Establishing the “Resistance” in Poland has been hard work, but my colleague and I are now helping to look after many good souls. Thanks be to God, and to Our Lady, Queen of Poland. "

    Does no one else see the problem here?

    1987 -- born

    2006 -- enter SSPX seminary

    2008 -- expelled from SSPX on account of being "in too close contact with Bishop Williamson"?  so, after 2 years of formal seminary.

    WHAT????  Bishop Williamson was still a bishop in good standing with SSPX in 2008 (expelled only in 2012).  +Stobnicki was clearly not expelled for that reason.  Something stinks.

    2008-?? -- continued studying (?) under some "senior Polish priests" (doesn't say they were trad) and 2 Trad bishops (+Thuc line bishops?).  This suggests he was actually expelled for becoming aligned with sedevacantists, not for close contact with Bishop Williamson

    2013 -- contacted Bishop Williamson after +Williamson was expelled from SSPX

    but ... continued on with law school, graduating in 2014 and then worked as a lawyer for a while.

    2016 -- re-established contact with Bishop Williamson when he visited Poland

    2017 -- ordained to the priesthood
    So, was ordained a priest with only 2 years of formal seminary training, some nebulous private training, and law school

    2022 -- after just 5 years as a priest, at the age of 35, again, with very little seminary training under his belt, consecrated a bishop

    Why?  "Such were the fruits of my priestly ministry ..." aka I was such an awesome priest that I was consecrated a bishop at the age of 35 with 2 years of formal seminary training.

    Something doesn't add up here, and this is going to give anti-Resistance a lot of ammunition.  He's clearly lying about why he was expelled from SSPX in 2008.  Not a good start for a Traditional bishop with 2 years of formal seminary training and 5 years of "priestly ministry" under his belt, probably serving chapels of about 15 people.

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    Re: Picture of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Michal Stobnicki
    « Reply #6 on: July 18, 2023, 07:11:15 AM »
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  • The first three bishops (Faure, Tomas, and Zendejas) are all members of congregations, but the last three (Ballini, Stobnicki, and Morgan) are all independents. 

    ...
    Lefebvre never ordained or consecrated independent priests and bishops, and the covid crisis/lockdown fear having passed, their is no excuse for them remaining independent. 
    I believe Bishop Faure started SAJM after he was made Bishop, thus he was consecrated independent, and then created the congregation. So, the last three Bishops can also start their own congregation and thus no longer be independent. 

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    Re: Picture of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Michal Stobnicki
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  • Does no one else see the problem here?

    1987 -- born

    2006 -- enter SSPX seminary

    2008 -- expelled from SSPX on account of being "in too close contact with Bishop Williamson"?  so, after 2 years of formal seminary.

    WHAT????  Bishop Williamson was still a bishop in good standing with SSPX in 2008 (expelled only in 2012).  +Stobnicki was clearly not expelled for that reason.  Something stinks.

    2008-?? -- continued studying (?) under some "senior Polish priests" (doesn't say they were trad) and 2 Trad bishops (+Thuc line bishops?).  This suggests he was actually expelled for becoming aligned with sedevacantists, not for close contact with Bishop Williamson

    2013 -- contacted Bishop Williamson after +Williamson was expelled from SSPX

    but ... continued on with law school, graduating in 2014 and then worked as a lawyer for a while.

    2016 -- re-established contact with Bishop Williamson when he visited Poland

    2017 -- ordained to the priesthood
    So, was ordained a priest with only 2 years of formal seminary training, some nebulous private training, and law school

    2022 -- after just 5 years as a priest, at the age of 35, again, with very little seminary training under his belt, consecrated a bishop

    Why?  "Such were the fruits of my priestly ministry ..." aka I was such an awesome priest that I was consecrated a bishop at the age of 35 with 2 years of formal seminary training.

    Something doesn't add up here, and this is going to give anti-Resistance a lot of ammunition.  He's clearly lying about why he was expelled from SSPX in 2008.  Not a good start for a Traditional bishop with 2 years of formal seminary training and 5 years of "priestly ministry" under his belt, probably serving chapels of about 15 people.
    Oh not based then.


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    Re: Picture of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Michal Stobnicki
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  • Does no one else see the problem here?

    1987 -- born

    2006 -- enter SSPX seminary

    2008 -- expelled from SSPX on account of being "in too close contact with Bishop Williamson"?  so, after 2 years of formal seminary.

    WHAT????  Bishop Williamson was still a bishop in good standing with SSPX in 2008 (expelled only in 2012).  +Stobnicki was clearly not expelled for that reason.  Something stinks.

    2008-?? -- continued studying (?) under some "senior Polish priests" (doesn't say they were trad) and 2 Trad bishops (+Thuc line bishops?).  This suggests he was actually expelled for becoming aligned with sedevacantists, not for close contact with Bishop Williamson

    2013 -- contacted Bishop Williamson after +Williamson was expelled from SSPX

    but ... continued on with law school, graduating in 2014 and then worked as a lawyer for a while.

    2016 -- re-established contact with Bishop Williamson when he visited Poland

    2017 -- ordained to the priesthood
    So, was ordained a priest with only 2 years of formal seminary training, some nebulous private training, and law school

    2022 -- after just 5 years as a priest, at the age of 35, again, with very little seminary training under his belt, consecrated a bishop

    Why?  "Such were the fruits of my priestly ministry ..." aka I was such an awesome priest that I was consecrated a bishop at the age of 35 with 2 years of formal seminary training.

    Something doesn't add up here, and this is going to give anti-Resistance a lot of ammunition.  He's clearly lying about why he was expelled from SSPX in 2008.  Not a good start for a Traditional bishop with 2 years of formal seminary training and 5 years of "priestly ministry" under his belt, probably serving chapels of about 15 people.
    You think he'd lie like that about the reason for being expelled knowing full well Bp. Williamson can out him as a liar at any time? No way. 

    Besides, how old was Fr. Damien Dutertre when he was consecrated? 30? Is that an outrage as well?

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  • can someone contact Bishop Williamson and fraternally correct him?  Maybe he doesn't realize what he is doing is wrong.  Sean Johnson?????? Matthew?????

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  • It’s the questionable formation and the independence that make the choice curious, more than the age.

    Lefebvre consecrated Fellay when he was only 30.


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  • It’s the questionable formation and the independence that make the choice curious, more than the age.

    Lefebvre consecrated Fellay when he was only 30.

    de Galarreta was only 31.

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  • If I may be the advocatus diaboli, Augustine, the lawyer, was ordained at the age of 37, and, four years later was consecrated a bishop by St. Ambrose.  There are other examples in church history of the lawyer, the professor, the learned layman, getting ordained, and perhaps consecrated.  In these days of the Great Apostasy what does "formal seminary training" even mean?  There are no minor seminaries, and the "traditional" major seminaries barely stay afloat.  I recall the words of Our Lord, "I can raise up sons of Abraham from these very stones."  At least Bp. Williamson is doing his part to restore tradition in the form of bishops.  When the other three bishops in the SSPX go to their judgment what will be their reply to Our Lord?   "Well, Lord, we stayed in the SSPX because it was founded by Msgr. Lefebvre.  We did not consecrate any bishops, but we did go along with the Novus Ordo bishop when he consecrated our holy oils for us."   

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    Re: Picture of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Michal Stobnicki
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  • You think he'd lie like that about the reason for being expelled knowing full well Bp. Williamson can out him as a liar at any time? No way.

    Besides, how old was Fr. Damien Dutertre when he was consecrated? 30? Is that an outrage as well?
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    When was Fr. Duterte consecrated a bishop?

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    Re: Picture of Bishop Williamson and Bishop Michal Stobnicki
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  • Why?  "Such were the fruits of my priestly ministry ..." aka I was such an awesome priest that I was consecrated a bishop at the age of 35 with 2 years of formal seminary training.

    Something doesn't add up here, and this is going to give anti-Resistance a lot of ammunition.  He's clearly lying about why he was expelled from SSPX in 2008.  Not a good start for a Traditional bishop with 2 years of formal seminary training and 5 years of "priestly ministry" under his belt, probably serving chapels of about 15 people.

    I agree that his story should be better explained and that the text gives the impression that he lacks humility.

    On the other hand, I believe that the private tutoring of candidates to the priesthood may be the future of Tradition.

    Seminaries are costly and demand a lot from the students. Some of them even have to live in another country. On regular times, men could study to the priesthood in their own dioceses.

    Before the great Council of Trent, seminaries were not mandatory, so, a lot of good priests  and saints were probably educated through private tutoring.