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« on: June 11, 2013, 08:22:19 AM »
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  • I am getting a physical done today and I am wondering if it is sinful to have private
    parts examined by a doctor. I think it it probably is, and will decline that part of the exam, but I am not 100% sure if it is sinful. Anyways thanks for your input.




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    « Reply #1 on: June 11, 2013, 09:07:24 AM »
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  • It's not sinful.  I understand the embarrassment but it's perfectly reasonable, just like a woman ends up exposing herself for childbirth.  

    If you are young and healthy with no history of health issues that could affect such areas, then it's probably okay to refuse, even from a medical point of view.  But if you are older or getting there, it might be wise to have the complete examination done.

    I personally think most physical examination stuff is not needed but I'd hate to say it and then the person end up with cancer that could have been caught early or something.  


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    « Reply #2 on: June 11, 2013, 09:20:43 AM »
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  • This post is retarded. A complete physical by a doctor is not sinful. I knew a person that could have lived if he actually had regular physical exams and had his testicles checked. He didn't and died from very curable testicular cancer.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 11, 2013, 09:23:24 AM »
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  • Ok, well thank you for your kind responses. I wasn't sure.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 11, 2013, 09:28:06 AM »
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    This post is retarded. A complete physical by a doctor is not sinful. I knew a person that could have lived if he actually had regular physical exams and had his testicles checked. He didn't and died from very curable testicular cancer.


    If we live or die doesn't determine if something is a sin or not.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 11, 2013, 09:36:28 AM »
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    This post is retarded. A complete physical by a doctor is not sinful. I knew a person that could have lived if he actually had regular physical exams and had his testicles checked. He didn't and died from very curable testicular cancer.


    If we live or die doesn't determine if something is a sin or not.


    Hmm exactly what I was thinking!!! (im the OP)

    And just because I dont get examined by a doctor in that area doesn't mean I can't treat myself. There are many cures for cancer th at the government doesn't ant people to know about.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 11, 2013, 10:33:51 AM »
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    This post is retarded. A complete physical by a doctor is not sinful. I knew a person that could have lived if he actually had regular physical exams and had his testicles checked. He didn't and died from very curable testicular cancer.


    If we live or die doesn't determine if something is a sin or not.


    It can.

    We are body and soul temples of the Holy Ghost and we have a moral obligation to care for both. A person could be culpable for an untimely death due to negligence or sin. I would think it especially so if they have dependents.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 11, 2013, 10:51:07 AM »
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  • Ok, time for a definitive answer.

    No, it is NOT a sin. I can tell you that with full confidence.

    Furthermore, it is OK for the doctor, even if he be a male, to fully examine a female patient.

    It is called a "necessary occasion of sin" versus an "unnecessary occasion of sin".

    You yourself know the motivation for your sloughing of clothes -- a medical exam. Would you feel ashamed to tell your mother about what you did? I would hope not. Now if it were for art, or to seduce a man, or a strip club, or pornography -- that would be different. See, it's common sense.

    The fact that you feel some embarrassment means that you still have a sense of modesty, which is good. Woe to those who lose this!

    But remember that 100 years ago, all doctors and obstetricians were men. Midwives, usually female, were used much more for routine births, but the "doctor" would be called in when there were complications or a need for surgery.

    On the other hand, it depends on what part of the body you're talking about. There is no equivalent of the "prostate exam" for females below the belt. However, they have an equivalent exam and it is above the belt. (I suppose there is the "PAP smear" as well, which checks for cervical cancer, but that's usually done by an OB/Gyn, not a doctor doing a routine physical.)

    But what if the doctor wants to make sure you don't have an STD? That might be a case where you can refuse, on the grounds that it's not necessary. He doesn't know you're traditional Catholic and either monogamous or non-active.
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    « Reply #8 on: June 11, 2013, 11:01:20 AM »
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  • I would also add that doctors aren't as "tempted" as you might imagine.

    (I'm speaking of the case of a male doctor and a female patient)

    Sure, they're still men, but TO A POINT a person can build up massive defenses, and accustom themselves to something, or even "get sick of" it.

    Remember that context matters. A fluorescent-lit exam room, with full pressure on the doctor to be professional, an over-booked schedule, pressure to make lots of money to pay off his student loans and his malpractice insurance premiums, not to mention his other bills, combined with the fact that he sees this stuff ALL THE TIME, and a lot of it is actually gross (STDs?), I wouldn't worry about the doctors too much.

    Just like many gamers think it would be a dream job to test games for a living. But let me tell you something: those game testers consider it to be WORK. 100%. It's not sitting in your living room, popping in a game CD, playing it for an hour, then taking a break, then a few hours later popping in another game CD and playing it as long as you like...

    No, they have to play the game in certain ways, reporting the various glitches, playing the same part over and over trying to get a glitch to happen, etc. They have to play the same game 8 hours a day, for weeks on end. I'm sure they have NO FUN while doing so.

    Also, women aren't normally good at working for a living, leading, etc. by nature, but human beings were designed to be incredibly flexible, and can adapt. NOT SAYING THAT NATURE WON'T COME BACK TO BITE YOU, or that you can 100% change nature, but a person can go a long way towards bucking or modifying nature. Just look at the modern world.

    A man can build up a mental wall -- call it virtue -- to deal with various things. The brain can block things out (horrible things, scary things, violent things, gross things, stimulating things, etc.) and deal with a wide range of situations, with the right mindset and training.
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    « Reply #9 on: June 11, 2013, 11:16:33 AM »
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  • Thank you Matthew. exactly what I was looking for.

    I am a male though, and my doctor is a female!
    I dont think that changes anything, does it? Like you said. Im going for a physical examination for the well being of my health, nothing else. ! And had I not consulted this forum, I would have declined that part of the examination.

    Anyways, thank you!

    God bless!

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    « Reply #10 on: June 11, 2013, 11:18:18 AM »
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    This post is retarded. A complete physical by a doctor is not sinful. I knew a person that could have lived if he actually had regular physical exams and had his testicles checked. He didn't and died from very curable testicular cancer.


    The case you mention is especially ridiculous, since most doctors are still men, or should be. Let's put it this way -- male doctors aren't yet in the minority. It shouldn't be too difficult to arrange things so you can visit one.

    And it's not as embarrassing for a man to turn his head and cough for another man doing the exam. And there certainly better not be any arousal involved, or you have issues!

    I would guess, though, that the man simply didn't go in for routine physicals. Not everyone has health insurance, etc.
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    « Reply #11 on: June 11, 2013, 01:44:47 PM »
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    Thank you Matthew. exactly what I was looking for.

    I am a male though, and my doctor is a female!
    I dont think that changes anything, does it? Like you said. Im going for a physical examination for the well being of my health, nothing else. ! And had I not consulted this forum, I would have declined that part of the examination.

    Anyways, thank you!

    God bless!


    Choose a male doctor.  

    I am a woman and I while I have, I will not choose a male doctor unless absolutely necessary.  Of course, these days you can't be too careful.  The last time I went to a ob/gyn for a first visit ... I was horrified to discover she was known to be a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.   :facepalm:

    Do any women here remember a time that a doctor always had a (female) nurse in the room with him during examinations?  Or is that a myth?




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    « Reply #12 on: June 11, 2013, 02:08:25 PM »
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  • Perhaps the OP is worried about having a "reaction" to the female doctor.  If you do it is NOT sinful unless you give yourself over to it.  Take your wife with you--you won't have problems.

    Okay, having said that....during the pregnancy of my 3rd child the Catholic female OB at St Joseph Mercy Medical Systems was outraged that I refused an amniocentesis.  She insisted I was "high risk" because of my advanced age.....36!!!!!  I did the research, told her that the risk of Downs for my age was 1 in 1000 and risk of miscarriage was 1 in 100 if I had the test.  She shut up and never bugged me again.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 11, 2013, 03:40:53 PM »
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    This post is retarded. A complete physical by a doctor is not sinful. I knew a person that could have lived if he actually had regular physical exams and had his testicles checked. He didn't and died from very curable testicular cancer.


    If we live or die doesn't determine if something is a sin or not.


    It can.

    We are body and soul temples of the Holy Ghost and we have a moral obligation to care for both. A person could be culpable for an untimely death due to negligence or sin. I would think it especially so if they have dependents.


    Exactly what I was thinking.  It doesn't necessarily determine if it is a sin or not, but in this case, it does.

    Private parts can be examined by a doctor if there is a valid need for them to do so in order to protect your health.

    To neglect one's own health is sinful because that entails showing a lack of gratitude to God for giving you a healthy body and a temple for the Holy Ghost to reside in.  If you desecrate the body, you desecrate God's temple.

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    « Reply #14 on: June 11, 2013, 03:48:36 PM »
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    Thank you Matthew. exactly what I was looking for.

    I am a male though, and my doctor is a female!


    Find a male doctor if it's a problem.