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« on: August 27, 2012, 05:46:54 PM »
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  •   Should you marry someone you don't really love if you have a physical defect that negatively impact your looks?


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    « Reply #1 on: August 27, 2012, 06:03:34 PM »
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  • Absolutely not.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 27, 2012, 10:24:28 PM »
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  • It might be possible to will to love someone, but that's pretty chancy.  I would guess you can maintain a platonic relationship until such time as you are definitely certain whether you can honestly exchange marriage vows with a person.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 27, 2012, 10:25:52 PM »
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    Absolutely not.


    That's a bit extreme, don't you think?

    Obviously it's generally a bad idea.  However, many people have had successful marriages in circuмstances where initial "love" was lacking.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 28, 2012, 12:43:57 AM »
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    Absolutely not.


    That's a bit extreme, don't you think?

    Obviously it's generally a bad idea.  However, many people have had successful marriages in circuмstances where initial "love" was lacking.


    How many is "many", 2 percent?

    Unless you were an aristocrat acting out of duty or something, I can't see why any sane individual in this modern world would want to partner with someone, whom they didn't love (or vice-versa), and endure the trials that come with living together as a couple and raising a family.
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    « Reply #5 on: August 28, 2012, 11:12:11 PM »
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  • No one said women should marry men they don't love.

    "Absolutely not" - means under no conditions  - never.

    I know a lot of people are weak in logical reasoning ability.

    I also suspect many would approve of pressuring a man to marry a woman he didn't love.  I suspect they would approve of that without hesitation.

    And if she was ugly?  They would say "appearance is only skin deep" etc.

    Old?  They would say "you have to take what you can get"

    With a checkered past? That's all the more reason you should! To show you're forgiving!


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    « Reply #6 on: August 29, 2012, 03:12:57 PM »
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  • No.
     (to the original question)

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    « Reply #7 on: August 29, 2012, 04:04:45 PM »
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  • What humans in "pop culture" now call "love" is just a bunch of neuro-chemical processes manipulated by faceless organization for consumerist profiteering.  

    What counts is the theological habit and moral act of charity, which has God as its formal object. True charity will lead to that conjugal charity that sees beyond the imperfections and deficiencies in this world (and the physical ones shall be effaced at the General Resurrection anyways) and love the spouse or betrothed for the sake of God and for His greater glory in bringing forth servants and handmaidens for the liberty and exaltation of His Holy Church and that of Christendom.

    But the question is if the person in question negotiates away for a lesser candidate merely by reason of the fact that they cannot have better prospects.

    To that I answer in the negative: one should not marry any particular person just because of one's comfort or because the candidate happens to be there.

    It will be an unhappy marriage if undertaken for that reason.

    However, if true charity and Sacramental grace from Holy Matrimony are observed, such things as physical defects don't really matter: unless these cannot allow the physical act of procreation, in which case the marriage will either be radically invalid or it would have to be one in which both spouse take vows of chastity.





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    « Reply #8 on: August 29, 2012, 04:23:11 PM »
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    What humans in "pop culture" now call "love" is just a bunch of neuro-chemical processes manipulated by faceless organization for consumerist profiteering.  

    What counts is the theological habit and moral act of charity, which has God as its formal object. True charity will lead to that conjugal charity that sees beyond the imperfections and deficiencies in this world (and the physical ones shall be effaced at the General Resurrection anyways) and love the spouse or betrothed for the sake of God and for His greater glory in bringing forth servants and handmaidens for the liberty and exaltation of His Holy Church and that of Christendom.

    But the question is if the person in question negotiates away for a lesser candidate merely by reason of the fact that they cannot have better prospects.

    To that I answer in the negative: one should not marry any particular person just because of one's comfort or because the candidate happens to be there.

    It will be an unhappy marriage if undertaken for that reason.

    However, if true charity and Sacramental grace from Holy Matrimony are observed, such things as physical defects don't really matter: unless these cannot allow the physical act of procreation, in which case the marriage will either be radically invalid or it would have to be one in which both spouse take vows of chastity.






    So is this to say that agape love (sacrificial love that wills the good of the other selflessly over oneself)  is of primary importance in considering  marriage, and eros love (romantic, passionate, sensual  love)  is secondary?    


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    « Reply #9 on: August 29, 2012, 09:27:03 PM »
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  • There might be reasons to marry someone you don't love.  The reason stated in the OP would not be one of them.  
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    « Reply #10 on: August 29, 2012, 10:09:21 PM »
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  • The OP was a bit vague, too.

    Physical defects, as in a mole?

    Or physical defects, as in half your face is missing?


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    « Reply #11 on: August 30, 2012, 08:28:15 AM »
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     Should you marry someone you don't really love if you have a physical defect that negatively impact your looks?


    you would marry for wrong reasons, might be invalid

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    « Reply #12 on: September 02, 2012, 01:26:10 AM »
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  • I think what people should do is get to know a person deeply before believing they are in love with that person. We have a family nanny who is not much to look at but is a lovely, kind, humble and holy soul. In the event she does not become a nun she will make some humble wise man who looks deeper than her looks a great wife.

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    « Reply #13 on: September 02, 2012, 02:13:36 AM »
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     Should you marry someone you don't really love if you have a physical defect that negatively impact your looks?


    That sounds like a sacrifice.  I guess it might make sense if you wanted to get married and you thought that was the best you could do.  Still, it would be nice if you didn't have to.  

    Shopping for you own spouse seems weird to begin with.  Having something prepared for you, by your elders seems like it would make more sense, than our dating system.  


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    « Reply #14 on: September 05, 2012, 03:48:24 AM »
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  • I don't recommend marrying someone you are not in love with.